WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SUNDAY

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Nonsense your trying to make a strawman argument about something no one ever said. If I have never said this papal author was sanctioned or not why are you trying to pretend that I did and if I never said such things, then you have no argument now do you.
From Webster: "Papal" means of or relating to a pope. So "papal author" means one who writes by authority of the pope. The man Bonacursus is not a papal author. He was a Catholic convert who wrote the document you quoted from.
It was also this part that proved to me that you copied and pasted from that website. It also holds the exact same info you put in for the other centuries. In exactly the same order. I don't care that you copied and pasted. I do it too. I did so above. The author is a former SDA now a Calvinist. He and I would have a lot to disagree with. But he's right. You're wrong.
 
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Sunday worship is outside of Gods' commandments and is a man-made teaching and tradition. Breaking God's Sabbath commandment is sin according to the scriptures. Sunday is not the Sabbath.
I agree with you. Sunday isn't the Sabbath. But worshiping God doesn't break the Sabbath. I leave it to an individual's conscience whether he is doing unnecessary work on the Sabbath. Just as I don't believe the government has the authority to define what's a necessary business during the pandemic, I don't believe you are the authority regarding the Sabbath.
 
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Let's deal with the scriptures and details.
What I disagree with is your belief that Sunday worship replaces the Sabbath.
It is not my belief but your own church's belief that Sunday replaces God's Sabbath as already provided and proven in the official Catholic teachings (highlighted in red) of the Catechism from the Vatican linked
For what it's worth, what did Jesus say about the great commandments? Love God, Love your neighbor.
"ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS of love to God and man HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. PAUL says the same thing in Romans 13:8-10 as does JAMES in James 2:8-12. Love is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking it and is why JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15 and John 15:10.

Now let's deal with your cut and paste...
1. In Colossians 2:16-17, Paul explicitly refers to the Sabbath as a shadow of Christ, which is no longer binding since the substance (Christ) has come. It is quite clear in those verses that the weekly Sabbath is in view. The phrase "a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day" refers to the annual, monthly, and weekly holy days of the Jewish calendar (cf. 1 Chronicles 23:31; 2 Chronicles 2:4, 31:3; Ezekiel 45:17; Hosea 2:11). If Paul were referring to special ceremonial dates of rest in that passage, why would he have used the word "Sabbath?" He had already mentioned the ceremonial dates when he spoke of festivals and new moons.
Not really dear friend but lets show why from the scriptures. The context of Colossians 2 is to the Mosaic shadow laws of the old testament of circumcision not God's 10 commandments *Colossians 2:11-14 and laws in ordinances. The Greek word for ordinances in Colossians 2:14 is G1378 δόγμα dogma and means ceremonial, ecclesiastical or civil laws. God's 10 commandments are all moral laws.

The within scripture contexts of Colossians 2:16-17 is in reference to the annual ceremonial shadow sabbaths of the feast days that are tied to the Feasts of the old testament not God's 4th commandment that is linked directly to the "seventh day" of creation. Colossians 2:16 [16], Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day (Festival), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day - Genitive neuter plural in the Greek is not singular Sabbath but plural meaning more then one, so cannot be in reference to the Sabbath of God's 10 commandments. The annual ceremonial sabbaths (plural) in the feast days are linked directly to the annual Feasts and not a day unlike God's 10 commandment Sabbath and can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle and are found only in the feast days. For example the annual ceremonial sabbaths of no work and days of holy convocation (no work) are found in the Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8; Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25; Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32; Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36; Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39; Feast days of Holy convocation of no work *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. Other sabbath rests (not Gods 10 commandment) includes the sabbath of the land (7-year cycle) *Leviticus 25:2 and Sabbath of Jubilee culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *Leviticus 25:9-54.

These annual feast sabbath (plural) are all "shadow" sabbaths linked to these feast days that point forward to God's plan of salvation for mankind in the new covenant unlike God's God's weekly "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 10 commandments that points backwards as a memorial of creation "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" - Exodus 20:8-11

It is impossible for God's Sabbath of the 10 commandments to be a "shadow law" because it is a memorial of creation which means it points backwards not forwards. Unlike the annual "shadow sabbaths" in the annual Feast days that point forward to JESUS and God's plan of salvation.
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2. The Sabbath was the sign to Israel of the Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 31:16-17; Ezekiel 20:12; Nehemiah 9:14). Since we are now under the New Covenant (Hebrews 8), we are no longer required to observe the sign of the Mosaic Covenant.
The name Israel is only a name given by God to his people. In the old covenant this was to physical Israel in the flesh. In the new covenant God's Israel are no longer those born in the flesh but in the Spirit and are defined as all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 13:11-14. There is now no Jew or Gentile believers as all are now one in Christ *Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11 and Romans 10:11-13. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 as the promise is to God's people who God calls ISRAEL. So yep! The Sabbath is a perpetual (ongoing forever covenant as is all God's 10 commandments which are our duty of love to God and man *Exodus 31:16; Isaiah 66:22-23; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40; Revelation 14:12: Revelation 22:14.
3. The New Testament never commands Christians to observe the Sabbath.
Nonsense. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament (scripture support here linked). HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
4. In our only glimpse of an early church worship service in the New Testament, the church met on the first day of the week (Acts 20:7).
God's people met everyday of the week and kept God's Sabbath commandment according to God's 10 commandments (Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10).
Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 [46], AND THEY CONTINUING DAILY with one accord in the temple, and BREAKING BREAD FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,[47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Acts 20:7 says that the disciples met on the first day of the week to have a meal together because Paul was departing the next day..

Acts of the Apostles 20:7 7, And on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, PAUL PREACHED TO THEM READY TO DEPART TOMORROW; and continued his speech until midnight.

There is no scripture in all of God's Word that God's Sabbath commandment has been abolished and Sunday is now a Holy day or rest.
5. Nowhere in the Old Testament are the Gentile nations commanded to observe the Sabbath or condemned for failing to do so. That is certainly strange if Sabbath observance were meant to be an eternal moral principle.
Why would Gentiles be commanded to keep God's law when they did not believe God or follow God? This statement makes no sense. The covenant of God was to Abraham and his seed not to those who did not believe or follow God's Word (unbelievers). The Gentile nations never followed God or believed His Word. Those individuals that were Gentile believers that believed God and wanted to follow God we see in scripture God made provision for them to do so in God's Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments.
EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, NOR THE FOREIGNER THAT IS WITHIN THY GATES: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.
6. There is no evidence in the Bible of anyone keeping the Sabbath before the time of Moses, nor are there any commands in the Bible to keep the Sabbath before the giving of the law at Mt. Sinai.
Nonsense. JESUS says that the Sabbath was made for mankind in Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made for mankind on the "seventh day" of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3. There was only Adam and Eve who are the parents of all mankind when God made the Sabbath for man.
7. When the Apostles met at the Jerusalem council (Acts 15), they did not impose Sabbath keeping on the Gentile believers.
They did not impose any of God's 10 commandments because God's 10 commandments was not what they were discussing. Acts of the Apostles shows that the context of Acts 15 was in regards to the question being asked "Is the Mosaic law of CIRCUMCISION" a requirement for salvation". This was the question being answered in Acts 15 not is God's 10 commandments the standard for Christian living. Paul goes on after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthian believers where he then says "CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING (Jerusalem decision of Acts 15), BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. *1 Corinthians 7:19.
8. The apostle Paul warned the Gentiles about many different sins in his epistles, but breaking the Sabbath was never one of them.
There is no more gentiles of Jewish believers. According to Paul we are not one in Christ and gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27; Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13. Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scriptures support here) as a requirement for Christian living. According to the new covenant scriptures, if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Sin (breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments or not believing God's Word) will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's Kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-27. The new covenant does not abolish God's law it establishes them in the life of those who through faith *Romans 3:31 have been born again to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:4; 1 John 3:6-9. This is the new covenant and the fruit of those who through faith believe God's Word *Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Hebrews 8:10-12.
9. In Galatians 4:10-11, Paul rebukes the Galatians for thinking God expected them to observe special days (including the Sabbath).
Nonsense. That is not what the scripture says. Let's look at the detail...

Galatians 4:4-11 [4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], BUT THEN, WHEN YOU KNEW NOT GOD, YOU DID SERVICE UNTO THEM WHICH BY NATURE ARE NO GODS. [9], BUT NOW, AFTER YOU HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, HOW TURN YOU AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, TO WHICH YOU DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE? [10], YOU OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11], I AM AFRAID FOR YOU, LEST I HAVE BESTOWED UPON YOU LABOR IN VAIN.

Galatians 4:8-11 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Note: Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths. Its speaking of those who observe times.

Deuteronomy 18:9-11 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Note: The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 Chronicles 33:3-6 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Note: Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

Leviticus 19:26-30 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.
10. In Romans 14:5, Paul forbids those who observe the Sabbath (these were no doubt Jewish believers) to condemn those who do not (Gentile believers).
Scripture please. No where in Romans 14 does it even talk about God's Sabbath. Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days. Not what days God's esteems. There is no mention whatsoever of God's Sabbath in Romans 14. Your reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach.
11. The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship.
I am sorry, these people are not my fathers and do not supersede the scriptures. I have only one father and He is in heaven. Those who teach against God's Word are not from God. This one is quite funny as you have been trying to tell me all through this thread that the Roman Catholic Church has not abolished Gods' Sabbath commandment in favor of Sunday and here you post a quote from Ignatius to Augustine from the Romans Catholic Church (fathers) teaching that God's Sabbath has been abolished and that Sunday is the day Christians should meet and worship? You did not think this one through before posting did you. Thanks for this quote :).
12. Sunday has not replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. Rather the Lord's Day is a time when believers gather to commemorate His resurrection, which occurred on the first day of the week. Every day to the believer is one of Sabbath rest, since we have ceased from our spiritual labor and are resting in the salvation of the Lord (Hebrews 4:9-11)
Ok here your saying that Sunday has not replaced the Sabbath and the previous quote your trying to argue that your Church fathers taught that the Sabbath has been abolished in favor of Sunday worship. How does that make any sense? Hebrews 4 is about God's rest defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as the "seventh day" from the foundation of the world. A believe is one who believes and follows God's Word. HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hope this helps.​
 
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From Webster: "Papal" means of or relating to a pope. So "papal author" means one who writes by authority of the pope. The man Bonacursus is not a papal author. He was a Catholic convert who wrote the document you quoted from. It was also this part that proved to me that you copied and pasted from that website. It also holds the exact same info you put in for the other centuries. In exactly the same order. I don't care that you copied and pasted. I do it too. I did so above. The author is a former SDA now a Calvinist. He and I would have a lot to disagree with. But he's right. You're wrong.

Your making things up again (strawman). Where did I ever post that Bonacursus wrote under Papal authority? If I never claimed or said such things why are you pretending that I did? If I have never said such things what is your argument? - You have none do you. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29. Jesus says if we follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not following God *Matthew 15:3-9. I know who I believe and follow and God's Word is not wrong it is the truth according to John 17:17.
 
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I agree with you. Sunday isn't the Sabbath. But worshiping God doesn't break the Sabbath. I leave it to an individual's conscience whether he is doing unnecessary work on the Sabbath. Just as I don't believe the government has the authority to define what's a necessary business during the pandemic, I don't believe you are the authority regarding the Sabbath.
We break God's 10 commandment Sabbath by working on it and not keeping it a Holy day of rest according to the scriptures *Exodus 20:8-11; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4. BABYLON has fallen *Revelation 14:6-12. It is time to leave the fallen teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God as God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:24. God's people are in every Church living up to all the knowledge of His Word that He has revealed to them. The hour is come and now is that the true worshipers will worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23. God is calling his people out from following man-made teachings and traditions back to the pure Word of God *Revelation 18:1-5. Those who have ears to hear and eyes to see will hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him. Those who do not see and do not hear are not His Sheep according to the scriptures in John 10:26-27 and will be left behind. We are to call upon him while he is near. He is knocking at the door but who will let him in? I am no one only a voice crying in the wilderness I am nothing but God's Word is my authority and freely I have received and he tells me to freely give. Not all will receive his Word but His Word's are not my words but His and he will increase and I must decrease because only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29; John 10:26-27; Matthew 15:3-9. Babylon has fallen according to the scriptures and it is time to leave *Revelation 14:6-12; Revelation 17:1-5; Revelation 18:1-5; John 4:23-24
 
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Let's deal with the scriptures and details.

It is not my belief but your own church's belief that Sunday replaces God's Sabbath as already provided and proven in the official Catholic teachings (highlighted in red) of the Catechism from the Vatican linked
It's funny you should mention that. There is a contradiction, because just above the part you emphasize, it says, specifically that Sunday worship does not replace the Sabbath.
Let's deal with the scriptures and details.

It is not my belief but your own church's belief that Sunday replaces God's Sabbath as already provided and proven in the official Catholic teachings (highlighted in red) of the Catechism from the Vatican linked

"ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS of love to God and man HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. PAUL says the same thing in Romans 13:8-10 as does JAMES in James 2:8-12. Love is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking it and is why JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15 and John 15:10.

Now let's deal with your cut and paste...
Not really dear friend but lets show why from the scriptures. The context of Colossians 2 is to the Mosaic shadow laws of the old testament of circumcision not God's 10 commandments *Colossians 2:11-14 and laws in ordinances. The Greek word for ordinances in Colossians 2:14 is G1378 δόγμα dogma and means ceremonial, ecclesiastical or civil laws. God's 10 commandments are all moral laws.

The within scripture contexts of Colossians 2:16-17 is in reference to the annual ceremonial shadow sabbaths of the feast days that are tied to the Feasts of the old testament not God's 4th commandment that is linked directly to the "seventh day" of creation. Colossians 2:16 [16], Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day (Festival), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day - Genitive neuter plural in the Greek is not singular Sabbath but plural meaning more then one, so cannot be in reference to the Sabbath of God's 10 commandments. The annual ceremonial sabbaths (plural) in the feast days are linked directly to the annual Feasts and not a day unlike God's 10 commandment Sabbath and can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle and are found only in the feast days. For example the annual ceremonial sabbaths of no work and days of holy convocation (no work) are found in the Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8; Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25; Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32; Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36; Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39; Feast days of Holy convocation of no work *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. Other sabbath rests (not Gods 10 commandment) includes the sabbath of the land (7-year cycle) *Leviticus 25:2 and Sabbath of Jubilee culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *Leviticus 25:9-54.

These annual feast sabbath (plural) are all "shadow" sabbaths linked to these feast days that point forward to God's plan of salvation for mankind in the new covenant unlike God's God's weekly "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 10 commandments that points backwards as a memorial of creation "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" - Exodus 20:8-11

It is impossible for God's Sabbath of the 10 commandments to be a "shadow law" because it is a memorial of creation which means it points backwards not forwards. Unlike the annual "shadow sabbaths" in the annual Feast days that point forward to JESUS and God's plan of salvation.
to be continued...

"ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS of love to God and man HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets *Matthew 22:36-40. PAUL says the same thing in Romans 13:8-10 as does JAMES in James 2:8-12. Love is expressed through obedience to God's law not by breaking it and is why JESUS says if you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15 and John 15:10.

Now let's deal with your cut and paste...
Not really dear friend but lets show why from the scriptures. The context of Colossians 2 is to the Mosaic shadow laws of the old testament of circumcision not God's 10 commandments *Colossians 2:11-14 and laws in ordinances. The Greek word for ordinances in Colossians 2:14 is G1378 δόγμα dogma and means ceremonial, ecclesiastical or civil laws. God's 10 commandments are all moral laws.

The within scripture contexts of Colossians 2:16-17 is in reference to the annual ceremonial shadow sabbaths of the feast days that are tied to the Feasts of the old testament not God's 4th commandment that is linked directly to the "seventh day" of creation. Colossians 2:16 [16], Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holy day (Festival), or of the new moon, or of the sabbath day - Genitive neuter plural in the Greek is not singular Sabbath but plural meaning more then one, so cannot be in reference to the Sabbath of God's 10 commandments. The annual ceremonial sabbaths (plural) in the feast days are linked directly to the annual Feasts and not a day unlike God's 10 commandment Sabbath and can fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle and are found only in the feast days. For example the annual ceremonial sabbaths of no work and days of holy convocation (no work) are found in the Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *Leviticus 23:6-8; Feast of Trumpets *Leviticus 23:24-25; Day of Atonement *Leviticus 23:27-32; Feast of Booths *Leviticus 23:34-36; Feast of First Fruits *Leviticus 23:39; Feast days of Holy convocation of no work *Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. Other sabbath rests (not Gods 10 commandment) includes the sabbath of the land (7-year cycle) *Leviticus 25:2 and Sabbath of Jubilee culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *Leviticus 25:9-54.

These annual feast sabbath (plural) are all "shadow" sabbaths linked to these feast days that point forward to God's plan of salvation for mankind in the new covenant unlike God's God's weekly "seventh day" Sabbath of God's 10 commandments that points backwards as a memorial of creation "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy" - Exodus 20:8-11

It is impossible for God's Sabbath of the 10 commandments to be a "shadow law" because it is a memorial of creation which means it points backwards not forwards. Unlike the annual "shadow sabbaths" in the annual Feast days that point forward to JESUS and God's plan of salvation.
to be continued...
I don't care about your excuses, and butchering of Greek. Of course, those aren't Scriptural.
 
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The name Israel is only a name given by God to his people. In the old covenant this was to physical Israel in the flesh. In the new covenant God's Israel are no longer those born in the flesh but in the Spirit and are defined as all those who believe and follow Gods' Word *Romans 9:6-8. Gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 13:11-14. There is now no Jew or Gentile believers as all are now one in Christ *Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11 and Romans 10:11-13. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 as the promise is to God's people who God calls ISRAEL. So yep! The Sabbath is a perpetual (ongoing forever covenant as is all God's 10 commandments which are our duty of love to God and man *Exodus 31:16; Isaiah 66:22-23; Romans 13:8-10; Matthew 22:36-40; Revelation 14:12: Revelation 22:14.

Nonsense. Everyone of God's 10 commandments are repeated in the New Testament (scripture support here linked). HEBREWS 4:9 SO THEN IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.
Your translation is different than mine.
God's people met everyday of the week and kept God's Sabbath commandment according to God's 10 commandments (Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10).
God's people spent 6 days a week working to make a living. They rested as God commanded. They worshiped on the same day because they were supposed to worship God.
In Acts, they kept the Sabbath because they were Jews. We are not Jews, we are Christians.
Acts of the Apostles 2:46-47 [46], AND THEY CONTINUING DAILY with one accord in the temple, and BREAKING BREAD FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,[47], Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Acts 20:7 says that the disciples met on the first day of the week to have a meal together because Paul was departing the next day..
The Eucharistic meal was worship.
Acts of the Apostles 20:7 7, And on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, PAUL PREACHED TO THEM READY TO DEPART TOMORROW; and continued his speech until midnight.
Right. They were worshiping God on the First Day of the Week.
There is no scripture in all of God's Word that God's Sabbath commandment has been abolished and Sunday is now a Holy day or rest.
Where have I said that God's Sabbath has been abolished. In fact, that is nowhere in the Catechism, either.
Why would Gentiles be commanded to keep God's law when they did not believe God or follow God? This statement makes no sense. The covenant of God was to Abraham and his seed not to those who did not believe or follow God's Word (unbelievers). The Gentile nations never followed God or believed His Word. Those individuals that were Gentile believers that believed God and wanted to follow God we see in scripture God made provision for them to do so in God's Sabbath commandment of the 10 commandments.
The only specific things the Gentiles needed to do was "to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right." Where is this necessity to keep the Sabbath???​
EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. [9], Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: [10], But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God [This is a direct reference from God's Word defining what the Sabbath is; The SABBATH = the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK]: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, NOR THE FOREIGNER THAT IS WITHIN THY GATES: <WHY> [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Nonsense. JESUS says that the Sabbath was made for mankind in Mark 2:27. The Sabbath was made for mankind on the "seventh day" of the creation week *Genesis 2:1-3. There was only Adam and Eve who are the parents of all mankind when God made the Sabbath for man.

They did not impose any of God's 10 commandments because God's 10 commandments was not what they were discussing. Acts of the Apostles shows that the context of Acts 15 was in regards to the question being asked "Is the Mosaic law of CIRCUMCISION" a requirement for salvation". This was the question being answered in Acts 15 not is God's 10 commandments the standard for Christian living. Paul goes on after the decision at Jerusalem to the Corinthian believers where he then says "CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING (Jerusalem decision of Acts 15), BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. *1 Corinthians 7:19.

There is no more gentiles of Jewish believers. According to Paul we are not one in Christ and gentile believers are now grafted in *Romans 11:13-27; Ephesians 2:11-13; Galatians 3:28-29; Romans 2:28-29; Colossians 3:11; Romans 10:11-13. Everyone of Gods' 10 commandments are repeated in the new covenant (scriptures support here) as a requirement for Christian living. According to the new covenant scriptures, if we knowingly break anyone of them we stand guilty before God of sin *James 2:10-11. Sin (breaking anyone of Gods 10 commandments or not believing God's Word) will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of God's Kingdom *Hebrews 10:26-27. The new covenant does not abolish God's law it establishes them in the life of those who through faith *Romans 3:31 have been born again to walk in God's Spirit *Galatians 5:16; Romans 8:4; 1 John 3:6-9. This is the new covenant and the fruit of those who through faith believe God's Word *Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Hebrews 8:10-12.
Nonsense. That is not what the scripture says. Let's look at the detail...

Galatians 4:4-11 [4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], BUT THEN, WHEN YOU KNEW NOT GOD, YOU DID SERVICE UNTO THEM WHICH BY NATURE ARE NO GODS. [9], BUT NOW, AFTER YOU HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, HOW TURN YOU AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, TO WHICH YOU DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE? [10], YOU OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11], I AM AFRAID FOR YOU, LEST I HAVE BESTOWED UPON YOU LABOR IN VAIN.

Galatians 4:8-11 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Note: Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths. Its speaking of those who observe times.

Deuteronomy 18:9-11 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Note: The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 Chronicles 33:3-6 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshiped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Note: Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

Leviticus 19:26-30 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

Scripture please. No where in Romans 14 does it even talk about God's Sabbath. Romans 14 is about eating and not eating (fasting) on days that men esteem over other days. Not what days God's esteems. There is no mention whatsoever of God's Sabbath in Romans 14. Your reading into the scriptures what the scriptures do not say and do not teach.

I am sorry, these people are not my fathers and do not supersede the scriptures. I have only one father and He is in heaven. Those who teach against God's Word are not from God. This one is quite funny as you have been trying to tell me all through this thread that the Roman Catholic Church has not abolished Gods' Sabbath commandment in favor of Sunday and here you post a quote from Ignatius to Augustine from the Romans Catholic Church (fathers) teaching that God's Sabbath has been abolished and that Sunday is the day Christians should meet and worship? You did not think this one through before posting did you. Thanks for this quote :).

Ok here your saying that Sunday has not replaced the Sabbath and the previous quote your trying to argue that your Church fathers taught that the Sabbath has been abolished in favor of Sunday worship. How does that make any sense? Hebrews 4 is about God's rest defined in Hebrews 4:1-5 as the "seventh day" from the foundation of the world. A believe is one who believes and follows God's Word. HEBREWS 4:9 THEREFORE IT REMAINS FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD TO KEEP THE SABBATH.

Hope this helps.​
Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. SDA is nonsense. Good bye. I shall not waste my time with you further.
 
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It's funny you should mention that. There is a contradiction, because just above the part you emphasize, it says, specifically that Sunday worship does not replace the Sabbath.
No. It teaches the same things as your other quote posted here...
Root of Jesse said: 11. The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship
Seems like some conflicting statements your providing here don't you think?
I don't care about your excuses, and butchering of Greek. Of course, those aren't Scriptural.
All I hear here is accusations from your words denying God's Word. Your welcome to prove your claims but if you cannot we will have to of course agree to disagree because to me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God *Matthew 15:3-9; Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29.

May God bless you as you seek Him through his Word dear friend :)
 
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God's people spent 6 days a week working to make a living. They rested as God commanded. They worshiped on the same day because they were supposed to worship God.
Sure they met everyday according to Acts 2:46-47 for a meal and to worship God Sunday simply being one of the seven days they met together. It does not say they stayed there all day and night. They did rest according to God's Sabbath commandment but that was not on Sunday (Acts of the Apostles 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10).
In Acts, they kept the Sabbath because they were Jews. We are not Jews, we are Christians.
Not really dear friend. According to the scriptures, both Jews and Gentiles met together to hear the Word of God (Acts of the Apostles 18:4; 13:42-45)
Where have I said that God's Sabbath has been abolished.
Right here....​
Root of Jesse said: The early church fathers, from Ignatius to Augustine, taught that the Old Testament Sabbath had been abolished and that the first day of the week (Sunday) was the day when Christians should meet for worship.
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In fact, that is nowhere in the Catechism, either.
Right here click me linked Catechism from the Vatican linked
The only specific things the Gentiles needed to do was "to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right." Where is this necessity to keep the Sabbath??? Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. SDA is nonsense. Good bye. I shall not waste my time with you further.
Gods Word is not mine but God's. Of course you are free to believe as you wish. As posted earlier Acts 15 was over the question "is the Mosiac law of circumcision a requirement for salvation?" (Acts 15:1-2) not if God's 10 commandments are the standard for Christian living. This is further evidenced when PAUL talks to the Corinthian believers after the decision at Jerusalem when he says "CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING OR UNCIRCUMCISION BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD" - 1 Corinthians 7:19. These are God's Words not mine dear friend. Of course you are free to believe as you wish.

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Let's continue on a little further...

Already started and covered in this thread here...

*First and second century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Third century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fourth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fifth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Sixth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Seventh century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Eighth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Ninth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Tenth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Eleventh century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Twelfth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Thirteenth Century A.D.

WALDENSES
"They say that the blessed Pope Sylvester was the Antichrist of whom mention is made in the Epistles of SSt. Paul as having been the son of perdition.[They also say] that the keeping of the Sabbath ought to take place." Ecclesiastical History of the Ancient Churches ofPiedmont," p.169 (by prominent Roman Cathholic author writing about Waldenses)

FRANCE (Waldenses)
To destroy completely these heretics Pope Innocent III sent Dominican inquistors into France, and also crusaders, promising "a plenary remission of all sins, to those who took on them the crusade...against the albigenses." Catholic Encyclopaedia, Vol.XII, art."Raymond VI," p. 670

WALDENSES OF FRANCE
"The inquisitors...[declare] that the sign of a Vaudois, deemed worthy of death, was that he followed Christ and sought to obey the commandments fo God." History of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages," H.C.Les, vol.1

FRANCE
Thousands of God's people were tortured to death by the Inquisition, buried alive, burned to death, or hacked to pieces by the crusaders. While devastating the city of Biterre the soldiers asked the Catholic leaders how they should know who were heretics; "Slay them all, for the Lord knows who is His." History of the Inquisition, pp.96

FRANCE-KING LOUIS IX,1229
Published the statute "Cupientes" in which he charges himself to clear southern France from heretics as the Sabbath-keepers were called.

WALDENSES OF FRANCE
"The heresy of the Vaudois, or poor people of Lyons, is of great antiquity, for some say that it has been continued down ever since the time of Pope Sylvester; and others, ever since that of the apostles." The Roman Inquisitor, Reinerus Sacho, writing about 1230

FRANCE-Council Toulouse, 1229
Canons against Sabbath-keepers: "Canon 3.-The lords of the different districts shall have the villas, houses and woods diligently searched, and the hiding-places of the heretics destroyed.

"Canon 14-Lay members are not allowed to possess the books of either the Old or the New Testaments." Hefele, 5, 931, 962

EUROPE
"The Paulicians, Petrobusinas, Passaginians, Waldenses, Insabbatati were great Sabbath-keeping bodies of Europe down to 1250 A.D."

PASAGINIANS
Dr. Hahn says that if the Pasaginians referred to the 4th Commandment to support the Sabbath, the Roman priests answered, "The Sabbath symbolised the eternal rest of the saints."

MONGOLIA
"The Mongolian conquest did not injure the Church of the East. (Sabbath-keeping.) On the contrary, a number of the Mongolian princes and a larger number of Mongolian queens were members of this church."

to be continued...
 
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Let's continue on a little further...

Already started and covered in this thread here...

*First and second century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Third century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fourth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Fifth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Sixth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Seventh century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Eighth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Ninth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Tenth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Eleventh century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Twelfth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)
*Thirteenth century AD Sabbath keepers (linked)

Sabbath Observance Through The Centuries - The Fourteenth Century A.D.

WALDENSES
"That we are to worship one only God, who is able to help us, and not the Saints departed; that we ought to keep holy the Sabbath day." Luther's Fore-runners," p. 38

INSABBATI
"For centuries evangelical bodies, especially the Waldenses, were called Insabbati because of Sabbath-keeping." Gui, Manueld' Inquisiteur

BOHEMIA, 1310 (Modern Czechoslovakia)
"In 1310, two hundred years before Luther's theses, the Bohemian brethern constituted onefourth of the population of Bohemia, and that they were in touch with the Waldenses who abounded in Austria, Lombardy,. Bohemia, north Germany, Thuringia, Brandenburg, and Moravia. Erasmus pointed out how strictly Bohemian Waldenses kept the seventh day Sabbath." Armitage, "A History of the Baptists," p.313; Cox, "The Literature of the Sabbath Question," vol. 2, pp. 201-202

NORWAY
Then, too, in the "Catechism" that was used during the fourteenth century, the Sabbath commandment read thus; "Thou shalt not forget to keep the seventh day." This is quoted from "Documents and Studies Concerning the History of the Lutheran Catechism in the Nordish Churches," p.89. Christiania 1893

NORWAY
"Also the priests have caused the people to keep Saturdays as Sundays." Theological Periodicals for the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Norway, Vol.1, p.184 Oslo

ENGLAND, HOLLAND, BOHEMIA
"We wrote of the Sabbatarians in Bohemia, Transylvania, England and Holland between 1250 and 1600 A.D." Truth Triumphant, Wilkinson, p.309

to be continued...
 
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Hi All,

This thread is for scripture only. We would like to show that based on the scriptures alone the "LORD'S DAY" that many proclaim is SUNDAY is a false teaching and you will not find this in God's WORD.

Galatians 4
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Observance of days is a waste of time according to scripture.

So it doesn't matter.
 
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Galatians 4
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Observance of days is a waste of time according to scripture.

So it doesn't matter.

Now here is the correct interpretation...

GALATIONS 4:4-11
[4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], BUT THEN, WHEN YOU KNEW NOT GOD, YOU DID SERVICE UNTO THEM WHICH BY NATURE ARE NO GODS. [9], BUT NOW, AFTER YOU HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, HOW TURN YOU AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, TO WHICH YOU DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE? [10], YOU OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11], I AM AFRAID FOR YOU, LEST I HAVE BESTOWED UPON YOU LABOR IN VAIN.

GALATIANS 4:8-11 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Note: Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths. Its speaking of those who observe times before they knew God, therefore when they were unbelievers v8-10 not after they knew God and began following God's Word. So it cannot be a reference to believers following God's Word. So what is Paul referring to when these people knew not God or before they were believers....

DEUTERONOMY 18:9-11 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Note: The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 CHRONICLES 33:3-6 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Note: Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEVITICUS 19:26-30 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

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Now here is the correct interpretation...

GALATIONS 4:4-11
[4], But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [5], To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. [6], And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father. [7], Therefore you are no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. [8], BUT THEN, WHEN YOU KNEW NOT GOD, YOU DID SERVICE UNTO THEM WHICH BY NATURE ARE NO GODS. [9], BUT NOW, AFTER YOU HAVE KNOWN GOD, OR RATHER ARE KNOWN OF GOD, HOW TURN YOU AGAIN TO THE WEAK AND BEGGARLY ELEMENTS, TO WHICH YOU DESIRE AGAIN TO BE IN BONDAGE? [10], YOU OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11], I AM AFRAID FOR YOU, LEST I HAVE BESTOWED UPON YOU LABOR IN VAIN.

GALATIANS 4:8-11 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS. [11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Note: Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths. Its speaking of those who observe times.

DEUTERONOMY 18:9-11 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.

Note: The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?

2 CHRONICLES 33:3-6 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger

Note: Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.

LEVITICUS 19:26-30 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a harlot; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths.

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The sabbath days part is covered in Colossians 2, must take the whole bible in context after all.
 
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The sabbath days part is covered in Colossians 2, must take the whole bible in context after all.
Nope. The annual shadow sabbaths (plural) of Colossians 2 are in reference to the annual Feast days and are not Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 in the new covenant. Pulling scripture from context is not how to know God's Word. According to James if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them *James 2:10-11. There is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is not abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a religious teaching and tradition of men that has led many to break the commandments of God. JESUS warns us about following these man-made traditions and teachings in Matthew 15:3-9. JESUS is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see back to his Word. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24.
 
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What better than to worship Our Lord on the day of His ressurrection. The day He rose from the dead.

The Jews are still living in the old Covenant. They still believe that the Messiah did not come over 2,000 years ago. They rejected Jesus and preferred to hold onto the old laws instead.

Christians embrace Our Lord Jesus Christ. We follow His teachings. We worship His resurrection. His new life. His new Covenant.

What would God rather us do? Remain a Jew and dismiss Our Lord Jesus Christ and His teachings? Or embrace Jesus, His life, His ministry, His ressurrection?

True Christian do all that and worship Our Lord on the day of His ressurrection.
 
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What better than to worship Our Lord on the day of His ressurrection. The day He rose from the dead.

The Jews are still living in the old Covenant. They still believe that the Messiah did not come over 2,000 years ago. They rejected Jesus and preferred to hold onto the old laws instead.

Christians embrace Our Lord Jesus Christ. We follow His teachings. We worship His resurrection. His new life. His new Covenant.

What would God rather us do? Remain a Jew and dismiss Our Lord Jesus Christ and His teachings? Or embrace Jesus, His life, His ministry, His ressurrection?

True Christian do all that and worship Our Lord on the day of His ressurrection.

JESUS warns us about following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God here...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3], But he answered and said to them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION. [7], YOU HYPOCRITES, WELL DID ESAIAS PROPHESY OF YOU, SAYING, [8], THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. [9], BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

True Christians according to the scriptures believe Gods' Word and follow what God says because they love God *John 10:26-27; John 14:15; John 15:10.

Something to pray about.
 
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JESUS warns us about following man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God here...

MATTHEW 15:3-9 [3], But he answered and said to them, WHY DO YOU ALSO TRANSGRESS THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD BY YOUR TRADITION? [4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death. [5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me; [6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. THUS HAVE YOU MADE THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OF NONE EFFECT BY YOUR TRADITION. [7], YOU HYPOCRITES, WELL DID ESAIAS PROPHESY OF YOU, SAYING, [8], THIS PEOPLE DRAWS NEAR TO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. [9], BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.

True Christians according to the scriptures believe Gods' Word and follow what God says because they love God *John 10:26-27; John 14:15; John 15:10.

Something to pray about.

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Nope. The annual shadow sabbaths (plural) of Colossians 2 are in reference to the annual Feast days and are not Gods 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4 in the new covenant. Pulling scripture from context is not how to know God's Word. According to James if we knowingly break anyone of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them *James 2:10-11. There is no scripture that says God's 4th commandment is not abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. This is a religious teaching and tradition of men that has led many to break the commandments of God. JESUS warns us about following these man-made traditions and teachings in Matthew 15:3-9. JESUS is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see back to his Word. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24.
I find it intriguing how you make the scripture not say what it actually says.

No further discussion required I guess.
 
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