How Joe Biden Stole The Election

QvQ said:

Voter ID, not one democrat supported it although the problem is and always has been, voters bussed or driving from precinct to precinct and those mysterious boxes of ballots that always appear on election night from trunks of cars..or lately Uhaul trucks.
Gerrymandering is in the Voters Rights Act.
Democrats want to make voter fraud easier.

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lots of claims...no evidence

SilverBear said:

lots of claims...no evidence

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There were 1.8 mil ballots mailed in Pennsylvania. There were 1.4 mil returned. There were 2.5 mil counted.
BTW, the ballots in the trunks of cars. That is an old joke in Nevada. It is called the Reid Machine. There were also reports of buses in from Utah and California with voters. There is video of that but as usual, nothing was done. Couldn't prove it when it was all over before any investigation was done.
It has been reported, never investigated and swept under the rug. Nothing to see here folk, move along.
It is called Corruption and Christians should be the first to demand honest, clean elections

The losers are the American people.

tulc said:

and yet every link posted pointed out it's been Republicans who thwart any attempt to beef up election security. Every. Time.
tulc(is just sayn')

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I DO NOT intend to get into any "trump lost naya naya nah nah" discussions.
This issue has been of interest to me for a long time, before Trump and it is real. Voter fraud is easy to accomplish and regularly done.
Instead of Denying, why not admit we do not have a secure, honest, above reproach system and start beating the drum to make it fair to everyone.
It affects everyone. It disenfranchises voters and it diminishes the legitimacy of the government.
Send not to know for whom the bell tolls

How can anyone believe anything coming from Donald Trump?

tulc said:

That's fine, but...it's kind of odd than how pretty much every post you've posted in this thread has been about how the Democrats are the ones to blame when it comes to not making elections secure here in America. And when links have been posted showing it was the Republicans who fought against it you ignore those, and blame the Democrats some more.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)

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I did try to post a voter fraud case from SD. I thought I remembered it being Republicans for Thune but it was a Democrat, sorry. I did try.
Arizona is a Republican State. To my knowledge is the only State that tried to enact voter laws to end fraud and hold clean honest elections. That partially failed as AZ law could only apply to the State elections. Federal elections are still dirty and fraudulent. Interesting Trump lost AZ election after the clean election laws were determined as not applying to Federal Elections. Again, it is the Democrats who profit and the Democrats who obstruct.
IT doesn't matter. Fraud is Fraud, Clean it up!

Clean up the system. This current election, not matter who won, is a shameful blot on the resources and integrity of all Americans. Our voting system is worse than banana republic. There shouldn't be any question, any lawsuit, and yes, there was fraud.
Where the Media is going to lose the "no fraud here" is at the local level. Most fraud occurs in down ballot races. Californians are convinced, Nevadans are convinced. I even heard about Fraud in Washington State. If the people in a State are convinced of fraud, just telling them "oh pooh" is not going to change it.
Avoid the "Appearance of Impropriety," not just impropriety
Clean it Up

tulc said:

Proof? If it's so widespread it should be easy to prove. And yet...here are 50+ posts in and no proof is offered.
tulc(likes when people prove things)

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There were 1032 cases of voter fraud convictions.
It is so widespread that in Sept 2016 more than 50% of American voters said voter fraud was a problem. 25% of those said it was a major problem. I am not going to go into cases. There is so much proof most Americans were convinced long before now.
IF most Americans know there is fraud, then it is probably true. I became interested because I actually saw fraud. Report it? To whom? The people who print out, mail out and pass out ballots to the illegal voters and various fraudsters?
Do you see the problem? Who is giving the fraudulent voters the ballots? Who is paying the ballot harvesters? Who paid for the cigarettes to the homeless for filled out ballots?
Who do you report it to? You? Or the officials who are passing out the ballots and paying for the fraud?

I have cited case after case. SD, Thune/Johnson election. The videos from Nevada liquor store voting station, busses from California. People were convicted in California for giving money and cigarettes to homeless for ballots. Broward County, boxes of ballots.
It is documented but then again, when it is in their interest or they are the ones doing it, then the official line is...there is no voter fraud.
I am adding a link
‘Fraud Has Been Institutionalized’: Inside Partisan GOTV In Indian Country

It is against Federal Law.
BTW It is a fact that Native Americans Own 29% of AZ. State and Federal Trust Lands 47%, Private including Phoenix and Tucson 18%.
New Mexico and Washington, the tribes also own very large percentage of land.

QvQ said:

The democrats can deny voter fraud but why don't we have a voting system that is secure where voter fraud cannot happen? Why this bizarre free- for- all mess?
Clean It UP.
How can the government run the country if they can't even run an election.
Meanwhile, I am waiting for a package shipped USPS from Florida then sent to Hawaii...mail in ballots LOL

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What makes you think you don’t have a secure voting system? Do you really think that your misplaced package is sufficient evidence that postal voting is flawed? Postal voting is common in most developed countries and the number of problems caused is minuscule.

QvQ said:

There were 1.8 mil ballots mailed in Pennsylvania. There were 1.4 mil returned. There were 2.5 mil counted.

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According to the associated press Marc Levy and Marry Claire Dale in their October 27, 2020 inteview with Pennsylvania Secretary of state Kathryn Boockvar more than 3 million citizens of Pennsylvania have requested absentee ballots and most of which had already been sent out. They note that as of 10-27-20 more than 1.9 million absentee ballots have already been returned.

Did you know you can fact check claims like the one you just made? Try it sometime

BTW, the ballots in the trunks of cars. That is an old joke in Nevada. It is called the Reid Machine. There were also reports of buses in from Utah and California with voters. There is video of that but as usual, nothing was done. Couldn't prove it when it was all over before any investigation was done.
It has been reported, never investigated and swept under the rug. Nothing to see here folk, move along.
It is called Corruption and Christians should be the first to demand honest, clean elections

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so no evidence of voter fraud.