Calvinism and Abortion

convicted1 said:

But you chasten them, not punish them by tossing them into a lake of fire! God chastens whom? Those He loves. The lost on the day of judgment get His wrath, not chastisement. Huge difference. Please reconsider this unbiblical stance of yours.

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I cant because Gods love was shown in Jesus pouring out His life for all of us on the Cross. God loves us all (and I mean all not the Calvinist all) so much that He made a way out of the wages of sin for anyone who would believe.
There are those of us that may reject that gift sadly but the gift remains, it is finished, the veil has been torn, Jesus made sure of that.
I know Calvinists can not accept that people have the choice to accept or reject Jesus, but it is true.

StillGods said:

I cant because Gods love was shown in Jesus pouring out His life for all of us on the Cross. God loves us all (and I mean all not the Calvinist all) so much that He made a way out of the wages of sin for anyone who would believe.
There are those of us that may reject that gift sadly but the gift remains, it is finished, the veil has been torn, Jesus made sure of that.
I know Calvinists can not accept that people have the choice to accept or reject Jesus, but it is true.

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We say that man freely chooses, but his choices are constrained by his nature. Romans 8:5-9 is crystal clear on this.

StillGods said:

I cant because Gods love was shown in Jesus pouring out His life for all of us on the Cross. God loves us all (and I mean all not the Calvinist all) so much that He made a way out of the wages of sin for anyone who would believe.
There are those of us that may reject that gift sadly but the gift remains, it is finished, the veil has been torn, Jesus made sure of that.
I know Calvinists can not accept that people have the choice to accept or reject Jesus, but it is true.

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You cannot accept that Adam died in the fall , and was not only wounded , but died spiritually.

StillGods said:

I cant because Gods love was shown in Jesus pouring out His life for all of us on the Cross. God loves us all (and I mean all not the Calvinist all) so much that He made a way out of the wages of sin for anyone who would believe.
There are those of us that may reject that gift sadly but the gift remains, it is finished, the veil has been torn, Jesus made sure of that.
I know Calvinists can not accept that people have the choice to accept or reject Jesus, but it is true.

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And you have a one sided view of the cross. The wrath of God is also shown on that cross, too.

convicted1 said:

We say that man freely chooses, but his choices are constrained by his nature. Romans 8:5-9 is crystal clear on this.

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do you though? the freedom of choice in calvinism is not freedom of choice as most people define it so it's not really freedom of choice.

ICONO'CLAST said:

You cannot accept that Adam died in the fall , and was not only wounded , but died spiritually.

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you are assuming quite a bit about what I believe.

convicted1 said:

And you have a one sided view of the cross. The wrath of God is also shown on that cross, too.

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the wrath of God was poured out on His Son whom He loves.

StillGods said:

the wrath of God was poured out on His Son whom He loves.

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But when He was imputed our sins, God had to withdraw Himself from His Son. He treated Him as if that were you or I.

Isilwen said:

Yet, it is God who puts those in power in power. Hmm... Biden has won the election and nothing is being proven in court otherwise.

Seems, I voted along with the one God wanted in power. So, who is the one in rebellion?

Oh and, those who are pro-choice are not pro-murder. We are literally pro-choice. We hope they make the right decision and not abort, but we will not force our views on others. We allow them a choice. Just as God gives us a choice to follow him or not. God doesn't force himself on us.

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I believe the lying democrats attempt to steal the election will be overturned shortly.
If not the ungodly platform and those who support it invite the judgment of God.

convicted1 said:

But when He was imputed our sins, God had to withdraw Himself from His Son. He treated Him as if that were you or I.

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Yes even though He loved His Son as He loves us all, God is just and distanced Himself because of our sin that was laid upon Him. Likewise our sin of rejecting Jesus means having eternal distance from God and perishing. God still loves us but we make the choice to be distanced from God if we choose to reject what Jesus has done for us, which many people sadly do choose to reject Jesus. God still loves those who reject His Son, just as He still loved Jesus. distancing Himself does not mean He did not love His Son or does not love humanity

StillGods said:

you are assuming quite a bit about what I believe.

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Not really, just reading your posts and connecting the dots.
Of course you are not going to be comfortable with my description of what i see in your posts.
I do not want to put words in your mouth, so feel free to clarify .
I am thinking of this post:

[I cant because Gods love was shown in Jesus pouring out His life for all of us on the Cross. God loves us all (and I mean all not the Calvinist all) so much that He made a way out of the wages of sin for anyone who would believe.
There are those of us that may reject that gift sadly but the gift remains, it is finished, the veil has been torn, Jesus made sure of that.
I know Calvinists can not accept that people have the choice to accept or reject Jesus, but it is true.]


Where do dead sinners get this ability?
Dead sinners do not have this ability, that is why they are dead?

ICONO'CLAST said:

I believe the lying democrats attempt to steal the election will be overturned shortly.
If not the ungodly platform and those who support it invite the judgment of God.

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Lying Democrats? Have you not seen the allegations fall in court one after another? That means the Republicans have nothing to prove that the Democrats cheated.

As for judgement. If God puts the people in power in power, that means He put Biden in office. There is no judgment coming.

Isilwen said:

Lying Democrats? Have you not seen the allegations fall in court one after another? That means the Republicans have nothing to prove that the Democrats cheated.

As for judgement. If God puts the people in power in power, that means He put Biden in office. There is no judgment coming.

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Turn off cnn ;
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts...UBwgwmBLAWCGsbEmDKwIG4Y1ih76So2FSwhQ3cK821BDU

No judgment coming,lol if Biden gets in it is here;
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StillGods said:

the wrath of God was poured out on His Son whom He loves.

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I have to admit, this stumped me. I asked a friend of mine about this and this is what he posted to me(on another forum via a PM):

Sinners in hell aren't sinless sacrificial lambs who made atonement for the sins of Gods people taking their sins upon themselves.

He is conflating and mitigating the sinless Christ of God with sinful humans showing his idolatrous exaltation of man.

He has NO IDEA how sinful man is nor himself.

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StillGods said:

the wrath of God was poured out on His Son whom He loves.

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And also...

Huge difference between THE sinless Lamb of God and wicked offenders aka lawless sinful humans. He is saying God has to love us in the same way as His Son. He's out on a limb.

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StillGods said:

the wrath of God was poured out on His Son whom He loves.

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And also...

I think bottom line he is making man and Christ equal in their punishment under God. Both pleased God, right? Both merited favor from God so therefore were loved the same.

Huge mistake.

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ICONO'CLAST said:

Turn off cnn ;
https://twitter.com/Wizard_Predicts...UBwgwmBLAWCGsbEmDKwIG4Y1ih76So2FSwhQ3cK821BDU

No judgment coming,lol if Biden gets in it is here;
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Don't watch CNN. Nice try at discrediting me though. Trump hasn't won a single lawsuit other than one in PA early on and that ended up not being anything anyway.

If these allegations actually had any substance to them, then Trump would be winning these lawsuits, which He clearly isn't.

There is no judgment coming, unless you want to make God a liar when He says He puts people in places of power.

StillGods said:

do you though? the freedom of choice in calvinism is not freedom of choice as most people define it so it's not really freedom of choice.

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Romans 8:5-9 cannot be any clearer on this if Paul tried. Men in the flesh(devoid of the Holy Spirit) cannot please God. Why? They are devoid of faith, which can, per Hebrews 11:6. These men in the flesh are hostile towards God. They hate His guts. They, in this unregenerate state, will never choose Him. They will never choose the One they hate.

BNR32FAN said:

Yeah because we are sinners. We’re not anything like unborn babies. We’ve lied, cheated, stole, fornicated, etc, etc. Unborn babies aren’t capable of any of those things. Still no one has came up with one single sin that an unborn baby could possibly commit.

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Born in sin:

1. Psalms 51:5 - “Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.”
   
   
2. Psalms 58:3 - “The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”
   
   
3. Job 14:4 - “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.”

Romans 5:18 says,


Also, the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). Babies are not created to not die. Babies die because they have been tainted by the sin of Adam.

In addition, there is the imputation of Christ's sacrifice, as well. When we seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ, and we believe that He died for our sins, He was buried, and was risen three days later on our behalf, the redemption of Christ is applied to our lives in that moment. Our continuing in the faith like walking in the light (i.e. loving our brother) is a part of Christ's blood cleansing us of all sin, as well (1 John 1:7 cf. 1 John 2:9-11). This is important to understand to understand because if we gain righteousness via by Christ, then we gain sin by Adam.

StillGods said:

God loves a humble and contrite heart, repentance is not sin.

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Unless born again, you cannot repent spiritually. It's just a work of the flesh that deceived people into thinking they repented. It's like changing one vice for another in other words. The wicked Jews always repented by their own free will under the Law. But the Law could not save. Sometimes greed could drive repentance under the law because it provided a material gain.