Moderna Vaccine 95% Effective

chevyontheriver said:

You can skip a vaccine if you want to, and resign your job if you want to as well, but I'm guessing there will be adequate testing before such a thing is allowed to be released.

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Exactly, of coure there will be adequate testing. For myself, l'm not the least bit concerned about the vaccine not being safe.

Also, I would guess most of those not taking it are from an age group where, if they were exposed, the likley hood of them dying is slim to none, and if they were not, they'd be first in line.

dqhall said:

You ought not be superstitious about these new vaccines nearing distribution. They may save our economy and our lives. Spreading rumors about their toxicity might be harmful to global health.

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If you notice, I am talking about me and those who are my friends and family. I have also said that I am not anti-vaccine. I haven't told others they shouldn't get it. It is a personal decision. We have made our decision and that's to wait.

Kenny'sID said:

Also, I would guess most of those not taking it are from an age group where, if they were exposed, the likley hood of them dying is slim to none, and if they were not, they'd be first in line.

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Not true. I have moderate to severe asthma, my girlfriend has an autoimmune disease, my mom has COPD. A couple of our friends have asthma.

We are waiting and seeing after its distributed to the masses what the results are, yet we are at risk of serious complications if we contract Covid-19.

Isilwen said:

Not true. I have moderate to severe asthma, my girlfriend has an autoimmune disease, my mom has COPD. A couple of our friends have asthma.

We are waiting and seeing after its distributed to the masses what the results are, yet we are at risk of serious complications if we contract Covid-19.

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How long will you wait?

Kenny'sID said:

How long will you wait?

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Already answered I think as ten years.

chevyontheriver said:

Already answered I think as ten years.

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Yes, eight to ten years.

It may be shorter than that, but that is what we are thinking as of right now.

We do all the other mitigation factors and had been since before many of them were mandated.

Isilwen said:

If you notice, I am talking about me and those who are my friends and family. I have also said that I am not anti-vaccine. I haven't told others they shouldn't get it. It is a personal decision. We have made our decision and that's to wait.

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My personal opinion is you should get the vaccine, if it is offered to health care professionals first like they have been talking about. That would be to protect your patients and your family. If you already got COVID, you do not need a vaccine.

dqhall said:

My personal opinion is you should get the vaccine, if it is offered to health care professionals first like they have been talking about. That would be to protect your patients and your family. If you already got COVID, you do not need a vaccine.

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I haven't gotten Covid-19, no. I will not get the vaccine when it is offered to us. My family isn't getting it either as I have said in this thread already. We are going to wait and see how it does with the masses.

Isilwen said:

I am fully aware of how vaccines work.

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So you would be able to direct me to documentation citing examples where significant adverse effects were encountered six months or more after the administration of the vaccine though no issues had emerged at an earlier time. Yes?

Ophiolite said:

So you would be able to direct me to documentation citing examples where significant adverse effects were encountered six months or more after the administration of the vaccine though no issues had emerged at an earlier time. Yes?

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Nope. You can say what you want with that statement.

Our minds are made up. They will not change.

sesquiterpene said:

That's what all the antivaxxers say...Seriously, this is a very common trope amongst the antivaccine crowd. Even RFK, jr who unabashedly compares vaccination to the Holocaust, turns around and says he's not antivaxx, merely "pro-safe vaccines".
Nonsense. You've posted quite clearly here that you don't think the vaccine is safe, while emphasizing that you're a health professional. You've also stated that you'd consider leaving your profession completely rather than take a vaccine, even though you're in a high-risk group for Covid. That's some pretty hard-core antivaxx sentiment.

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Think what you want. I am not an anti-vaxxer. All my kids are vaccinated with the usual vaccines. I myself go and get a tetanus shot every ten years. I have encouraged others to go and get vaccines. I am truly not an anti-vaxxer.

I am however not a fool either. The Covid vaccines have been rushed and I don't care how much money has been thrown at it. Nothing replaces real world use through the masses. Not control groups.

If others want to get it I will support them and encourage them to do so, but for me and my family and friends, we're waiting and seeing.

Isilwen said:

Nope. You can say what you want with that statement.

Our minds are made up. They will not change.

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Wow! Your mind is set in concrete. You responded to my post practically instantly. You took zero time to consider what I was asking, or the implications of what I was asking.

Now my mind is open. You could convince me that your position is justified just by providing an example of the information I have asked for. You felt strongly enough about your view to post it, but when you are offered a chance, not only to justify the position, but perhaps convince others to change their stance you run away. That tells me you likely have no such examples and without them your decision is based on personal incredulity and a lack of understanding.

However, that's your decision. You will have to live with it.

Ophiolite said:

Wow! Your mind is set in concrete. You responded to my post practically instantly. You took zero time to consider what I was asking, or the implications of what I was asking.

Now my mind is open. You could convince me that your position is justified just by providing an example of the information I have asked for. You felt strongly enough about your view to post it, but when you are offered a chance, not only to justify the position, but perhaps convince others to change their stance you run away. That tells me you likely have no such examples and without them your decision is based on personal incredulity and a lack of understanding.

However, that's your decision. You will have to live with.

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Think as you wish. I did think about what you said. It isn't something that needs hours of thought to answer.

I have thought about this since the vaccines were talked about being in development. We have talked about this amongst my family.

I don't really need to justify my position to anyone. I gave what we're doing and why. Beyond that I don't really have to answer to anyone!

Isilwen said:

I am not an anti-vaccer. I am pro-vaccine, but with this one, I want to see widespread use and for there to be more time with that widespread use.

Nothing at all wrong with that.

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If everyone refuses to take it, how can we achieve “widespread use?”

Vaccination is a social project. We can suppress or shutdown (e.g., polio) a virus because nearly everyone takes it. Then those that cannot (immunosuppressed) are protected.

It seems to me that those who can but do not are not fulfilling the social contract. Why should someone else assume your risk? It seems an immoral position. (Note again: for those that can but will not.)

Sparagmos said:

If everyone refuses to take it, how can we achieve “widespread use?”

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Not everyone will refuse to take the vaccine.

I have said what I said in this thread and with that I have nothing left to say.

Isilwen said:

Not everyone will refuse to take the vaccine.

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Yes, but your scenario is dependent on others taking what you think is a big risk. If you think it’s too risky for you, ypu shouldn’t be ok with others taking that risk. You’re basically saying we need a majority of the population to be guinea pigs, but not me. It sounds entitled.

I’m also nervous about the vaccine, but I work with the public and I know so many people who are unemployed and suffering from the economic toll of the pandemic. I’ll do my part and take the vaccine.

Tinker Grey said:

It seems to me that those who can but do not are not fulfilling the social contract.

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There is a lot of that about, unfortunately there isn't a vaccination for anti-social behaviour.