Once saved always saved. False?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

Albion said:
And you are entitled to say and believe that.

However, to go beyond it and allege that "the majority of churches" teach that--

is very wrong.

But it's true. Most Protestant churches I have visited believe one can sin and still be saved on some level. Most Protestant churches I have investigated online have professed this kind of thing (even beneath the double talk that one must live holy). I have talked with countless Christians on forums for 10 years, and when push comes to shove, they admit that they can sin and still be saved on some level.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

Albion said:
And you are entitled to say and believe that.

However, to go beyond it and allege that "the majority of churches" teach that--

is very wrong.

Do you believe that a Christian can look upon a woman in lust and then get hit by a bus and die, and be saved (as long as they generally lived a holy life)?

Yes, or no?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

Albion said:
And you are entitled to say and believe that.

However, to go beyond it and allege that "the majority of churches" teach that--

is very wrong.

Do you believe King David was saved WHILE he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

Yes, or no?

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

BrotherJJ said:
He that endures to the end shall be saved.

Matt 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved".

Scripture Study Tips

When dissecting any verse of scripture. Ask yourself, of whom, to whom, with what words, what time, where, to what intent, with what circumstances, considering what is written before and what follows any single verse context.
^^^^^Myles Coverdale, Bible theologian/translator^^^^^

So, ask: Who is writing? Who’s it written to? What are the circumstances? What’s the context before? What's the context after?

Invariably Matt 24:13 is posted, OUT OF CONTEXT.

Matt 24:13 Proper Context. Who is the speaker? JESUS

Context: Who is Jesus speaking to? Verse 2 still under the law Jewish disciples. This is day 3 of passion week. The Holy Spirit has yet to be given, therefore, no Body of Christ/Christian exist.

Context: What is Jesus speaking about? Verse 3 the end of the age. The end of your life? NO!

Context: Verses 4-13 The prophecy here parallels the END TIME seal judgments:

Matt 24: Vs 5 - Rev 6:2 false Christs, Vs 6 - Rev 6:3&4 war, Vs 7 - Rev: 5&6, Famine, Vs 6&7 - Rev 6:7&8 death, Vs 9-13 - Rev 6:6-11 martyers

Matt 24:14 the gospel of the kingdom =100% under Jewish law doctrine. Quote: "and then shall the end come". The end of one's life? NO!

Vs 15 references Daniel & the abomination of desolation

Vs 16 let those where? in Judea! NOT A CHURCH GOER IN THE USA!

Vs 21 there shall be great tribulation. In your life? No! Vs 27 Christ returns. Vs 29 After the tribulation of those days, NOT your life!

Context: Matt 24 Jesus is speaking to "Jews only about Israel's Future" Foretelling the tribulation period to come. BTW the tribulation is referred to as JACOB/ISRAELS TROUBLE. Jeremiah 30:7

When reading Vs 13, he who endures to the end. One must take from scripture via context. Not add to scripture one's own false non-contextual, doctrinal narrative.

Example:
Matt 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Ok, Jesus tells his disciples DON'T go to gentiles. Would we be correct to broad brush this statement Jesus made here & apply it to the Church today? We can't broadly paint the future Body of Christ into Matt 10 or Matt 24.

All scripture was written for us. Not all scripture is written to us.

Romans 15:4 (A) whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning
(NOTE: Not all scripture is written for our doctrine. Example: Are we required to bring a sin sacrifice to the Temple?)

It would seem God would be a respecter of persons if He demanded some to live holy and others to not live holy (if that is what you are suggesting). In fact, I have heard Eternal Security preachers teach on YouTube the false idea that believers during the Tribulation will have to live holy as a part of salvation, but believers today are not under the same instruction. Yet, the author of Hebrews say that without holiness, no man shall see the Lord (Hebrews 12:14). Paul says a person can deny God by a lack of works (Titus 1:16). John says, “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10). Paul warns the Galatians about certain sins like murder, adultery, fornication, theft, idolatry, etc. and that they which do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21).

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

Albion · Oct 9, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
But it's true.

No, it's not. The Catholic and Orthodox churches which do not at all believe in ES and/or OSAS certainly don't, nor would they have any reason to do so.

And then if we turn to the Protestant churches, none of the well-known, mainline, ones would make such a mistake, nor is there anything like what you are referring to in their denominational statements of belief.

So that leaves only the non-denoms, the fundamentalists, Pentecostals, and a few smaller bodies to be doing what you said the "majority of churches" do (and that's to concede, for the sake of the argument, that all of these do it, too, which is not really fair to say).

Most Protestant churches I have visited believe one can sin and still be saved on some level.

That's more like it.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

Albion said:
No, it's not. The Catholic and Orthodox churches which do not at all believe in ES and/or OSAS certainly don't, nor would they have any reason to do so.

I was referring to Sola Scriptura Protestant churches, and not the even larger umbrella of the churches out there.

You said:
And then if we turn to the Protestant churches, none of the well-known, mainline, ones would make such a mistake, nor is there anything like what you are referring to in their denominational statements of belief.

So that leaves only the non-denoms, the fundamentalists, Pentecostals, and a few smaller bodies to be doing what you said the "majority of churches" do (and that's to concede, for the sake of the argument, that all of these do it, too, which is not really fair to say).

That's more like it.

Some Pentecostals appear to argue against Sola Scriptura. Most of them all believe they can receive new transmissions from God in some way that is external to the Bible. Some believe this to be a mere guidance of one's life, and others see that it may include new major prophecy and communications.

Let's just say the Pentecostal is not hardcore Sola Scriptura. The only Sola Scriptura Protestant churches I have found that appear to be for holy living as a part of the salvation process is the following:

International Fellowship of Bible Churches International Fellowship of Bible Churches

There are others, but there are heresies that are too large to ignore to include them.

Side Note:

I label Pentecostalism to be a bit of an unknown. I see that there may be legit believers in this denomination, but I think the problem is that there is the danger of getting caught up with false visions and prophecies and allowing false manifestations (if one is not careful).

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

@Albion

Please answer posts #42, and #43.

FreeGrace2 · Oct 9, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
All forms of Eternal Security are unbiblical.

I guess Jesus didn't get the memo, then.

How do you explain John 10:28?

FreeGrace2 · Oct 9, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Do you believe King David was saved WHILE he committed his sins of adultery and murder?

Yes, or no?

To be real clear regarding what David did to Bathsheba, given the mentality of kings back then, it was a clear case of RAPE. She had NO say whatsoever in the act. Don't kid yourself.

She didn't lust after him. It was all one sided. Again, she had no choice. That's RAPE.

David raped and murdered. Clear cut.

BrotherJJ · Oct 9, 2020

Bible Highlighter said:
Not surprising. This is taught in the majority of churches. Hence it is the wide gate path. Verses like these are taken out of context to justify that one can sin and still be saved and not so as to live a holy life. Take for example 2 Corinthians that you quote from.

In 2 Corinthians 13:5 (KJB) says,
“Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?”

Also, you quote from the 1st epistle of John. Yet, his epistle also says this:

“He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
(1 John 2:4) (KJB).

What truth is not in them if they do not keep His commandments?

Jesus. For Jesus is the way the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

If they do not have Jesus, then they do not have life. For he that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son, does not have life (1 John 5:12).

“In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10) (KJB).

1 John 2:3, 3:23 & 5:3 commandments parsed

People often add there own contextual application to 1 Jn 2:3 & 1 Jn 5:3. IE the 10 commandments.

Originally scripture wasn't written via chapter & verse. That's added later by translators. Taking one verse out of context invariably leads to doctrinal misinterpretations.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(NOTE: For John's intended reference to keep his commandments. You must READ ON!)

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(NOTE: What commandment is 1 Jn 2 referring to? Everyone who believes in Christ & loves his brother is born of God. Also see what Jesus say's in Matt 22:36-40)

1 John 5:
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
(NOTE: How does someone overcome the sins of the world? Vs 2: via FAITH! Faith in what? Vs 3:That Jesus the Son of God, the promised Messiah!)

What are the greatest law commandments?

Matt: 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.
(NOTE: # 1 Love God)

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
(NOTE: #2 Love your brother. Does Jesus mention any of the Mosaic 10? NOPE!)

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
(NOTE: Love fulfills the law)

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
(NOTE: If you truly Love someone. You won't kill, steal from, bear false witness against, covet their stuff, etc)

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(NOTE: If you truly Love someone. You won't kill, steal from, bear false witness against, covet their stuff etc)

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
NOTE: Loving your brother fulfills the law of Christ)

What's the commandments of Christ? The same person (Christ) that wrote the Mosaic 10 commandments. Give's a new superceding commandment: Love your God 1st & your brother.

John 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
(NOTE: What's the commandment/law of Christ? Love your brother)

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
(NOTE: Love your brother)

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
(NOTE: Love your brother)

The apostles had disagreements & still managed to love one another. Many opinions are shared on these public discussion forums. You & I disagree, no harm, no foul. Peace

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

To all:

Some bring up John 10:28. They read and believe John 10:27 that says that the kind of sheep that cannot be snatched out of His hand are the kind of sheep that FOLLOW Jesus. Following Jesus implies holy living.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

BrotherJJ said:
1 John 2:3, 3:23 & 5:3 commandments parsed

People often add there own contextual application to 1 Jn 2:3 & 1 Jn 5:3. IE the 10 commandments.

Originally scripture wasn't written via chapter & verse. That's added later by translators. Taking one verse out of context invariably leads to doctrinal misinterpretations.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(NOTE: For John's intended reference to keep his commandments. You must READ ON!)

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(NOTE: What commandment is 1 Jn 2 referring to? Everyone who believes in Christ & loves his brother is born of God. Also see what Jesus say's in Matt 22:36-40)

1 John 5:
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
(NOTE: How does someone overcome the sins of the world? Vs 2: via FAITH! Faith in what? Vs 3:That Jesus the Son of God, the promised Messiah!)

What are the greatest law commandments?

Matt: 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.
(NOTE: # 1 Love God)

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
(NOTE: #2 Love your brother. Does Jesus mention any of the Mosaic 10? NOPE!)

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
(NOTE: Love fulfills the law)

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
(NOTE: If you truly Love someone. You won't kill, steal from, bear false witness against, covet their stuff, etc)

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(NOTE: If you truly Love someone. You won't kill, steal from, bear false witness against, covet their stuff etc)

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
NOTE: Loving your brother fulfills the law of Christ)

What's the commandments of Christ? The same person (Christ) that wrote the Mosaic 10 commandments. Give's a new superceding commandment: Love your God 1st & your brother.

John 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
(NOTE: What's the commandment/law of Christ? Love your brother)

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
(NOTE: Love your brother)

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
(NOTE: Love your brother)

The apostles had disagreements & still managed to love one another. Many opinions are shared on these public discussion forums. You & I disagree, no harm, no foul. Peace

We are not under the 613 laws within the Law of Moses (as a whole or package deal), but we are under the commands that come from Jesus and His followers. This means things like the Saturday Sabbath, circumcision, and the dietary laws of the Old Testament are no longer applicable. Hebrews 7:12 says the Law has changed.

As for loving God and loving your neighbor: Well, to love God and to love your neighbor is a part of inheriting eternal life.

Luke 10:25-28 KJB says,
25 “And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.”

Notice how Jesus did not say, “Wrong Lawyer! Just simply believe in the finished work of Christ to be saved, and do not worry about how you live.”

The apostle John said,

“Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.” (1 John 3:15) (KJB).

So this tells us that salvation is conditional, and it is not forced upon us by making a one time decision for Christ and simply having a belief alone on Him with no change in our life.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

@Albion

Please see posts #42, and #43.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

BrotherJJ said:
1 John 2:3, 3:23 & 5:3 commandments parsed

People often add there own contextual application to 1 Jn 2:3 & 1 Jn 5:3. IE the 10 commandments.

Originally scripture wasn't written via chapter & verse. That's added later by translators. Taking one verse out of context invariably leads to doctrinal misinterpretations.

1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
(NOTE: For John's intended reference to keep his commandments. You must READ ON!)

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
(NOTE: What commandment is 1 Jn 2 referring to? Everyone who believes in Christ & loves his brother is born of God. Also see what Jesus say's in Matt 22:36-40)

1 John 5:
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
(NOTE: How does someone overcome the sins of the world? Vs 2: via FAITH! Faith in what? Vs 3:That Jesus the Son of God, the promised Messiah!)

What are the greatest law commandments?

Matt: 22:
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.
(NOTE: # 1 Love God)

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
(NOTE: #2 Love your brother. Does Jesus mention any of the Mosaic 10? NOPE!)

Romans 13:
8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
(NOTE: Love fulfills the law)

9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
(NOTE: If you truly Love someone. You won't kill, steal from, bear false witness against, covet their stuff, etc)

10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbor: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
(NOTE: If you truly Love someone. You won't kill, steal from, bear false witness against, covet their stuff etc)

Gal 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
NOTE: Loving your brother fulfills the law of Christ)

What's the commandments of Christ? The same person (Christ) that wrote the Mosaic 10 commandments. Give's a new superceding commandment: Love your God 1st & your brother.

John 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
(NOTE: What's the commandment/law of Christ? Love your brother)

35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
(NOTE: Love your brother)

James 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
(NOTE: Love your brother)

The apostles had disagreements & still managed to love one another. Many opinions are shared on these public discussion forums. You & I disagree, no harm, no foul. Peace

I actually did a several month study on God's commands in the New Testament. I have come up with approximately 400 some explicit commands in the New Testament. There are also others like repentance which is even called a command (See: Acts of the Apostles 17:30).

BNR32FAN · Oct 9, 2020

Zimmer36 said:
Im confused about salvation. What is the truth about salvation. What do we do? Ive researched lately and many are coming out saying OSAS is an end times heresy that will lead many to fall away. That only if u endure to the end u r saved. So what is true salvation how can someone know they are going to have it? theres always that what if im weak what if i dont endure what if im doing a certain sin,etc etc. im just really confused about this and really worried about where i stand with God

Perhaps you should read some of the earliest church writings and see what the church was teaching before the 16th century. I would suggest starting with the earliest writings from the first 3-5 centuries and see if any of them refer to OSAS.

BrotherJJ · Oct 9, 2020

Bible Highlighter,
Again you & I disagree on salvation & it's security. I respect you as a brother in Christ & your views (although I disagree with many) as well. I don't believe any amount of back & forth or shared verses will change our personal positions. This will be my last reply to you on this thread. Best wishes, JJ

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

BrotherJJ said:
Bible Highlighter,
Again you & I disagree on salvation & it's security. I respect you as a brother in Christ & your views (although I disagree with many) as well. I don't believe any amount of back & forth or shared verses will change our personal positions. This will be my last reply to you on this thread. Best wishes, JJ

Thank you for being kind and respectful even if we disagree strongly on this topic.

Blessings be unto you in the Lord.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

To all:

We do have to realize that not everyone is going to make it.
Those believers who did wonderful works in Christ name and who worked iniquity were told by Christ Himself to depart from Him in Matthew 7:23.

In Matthew 13:41-42, we learn that the Son of Man (JESUS) will send forth His angels and they will gather out of HIS KINGDOM all things that offend (i.e. anything that causes a person to stumble into sin), and those who work iniquity (sin) and they will be cast into the furnace of fire (i.e. the Lake of Fire). So a person can be in the Kingdom and later cast out and burned because of they are justifying sin. For the wages of sin is death.

Side Note:

Some try to bring up 1 John 2:19 that says, “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” This is in context to the false gnostics that John is warning the brethren about, and it is not a blanket statement type truth for all believers. How so? Check out my next post.

Bible Highlighter · Oct 9, 2020

Sin and still be saved type beliefs are not biblical. If we are never in jeopardy when we sin, then the Bible would not teach that we can fall away from the faith; But it does teach that we can fall away.

Here are several lists of verses that makes it absolutely clear that believers can fall away from the faith:

Here is a General List of Verses on How Believers Can Fall Away:

1 Samuel 16:14
1 Samuel 31:4
Ezekiel 18:24
Hebrews 3:12-14
Hebrews 4:11
Hebrews 6:4-9
Hebrews 10:26-30
Hebrews 12:15
1 Timothy 1:18-20
1 Timothy 4:1-7
Galatians 3:1-5
2 Peter 2:20-22
2 Peter 3:17
Matthew 13:18-23
1 Corinthians 10:12
2 Thessalonians 2:3

Now, do not misunderstand me, believers cannot lose their salvation (like they would a pair of car keys), but they can forfeit their salvation (i.e. they can willingly throw it away by rebelling against God). In fact,

Here is a list of believers who have forfeited their salvation:

Saul (1 Samuel 16:14) (1 Samuel 31:4)
Demas (2 Timothy 4:10)
The Prodigal Son (Luke 15:11-32)
Judas Iscariot (Psalm 41:9) (Luke 6:16) (Acts 1:25)
Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Timothy 2:17-18)
Unnamed Christians destroyed by false teaching (2 Timothy 2:17-18)
Many Unnamed Disciples (John 6:66)
Some Younger Christian Widows (1 Timothy 5:14-15)
Some Christians Eager For Money (1 Timothy 6:8-10)
Ananias and Sapphira (Acts of the Apostles 5:1-11)

And here is a list of potential fallen believers:

The Servant Who is Not Looking For Him (Luke 12:45-46)
Recent Convert Who is a Potential Spiritual Leader (1 Timothy 3:6)
The Unforgiving in Heart (Matthew 6:14-15)
Luke Warm Unrepentant Believer (Revelation 3:14-22)
Fruitless Christians (John 15:1-10) (Matthew 25:14-30)
Widows That Live in Pleasure (1 Timothy 5:5-6)
Believers Whose Seed Fell Upon the Rocks (Luke 8:13)
Believers Whose Seed Was Choked by Thorns (Matthew 13:22)
Gentile Believer Who Did Not Have on a Wedding Garment (Matthew 22:1-14) (Revelation 19:7-8)
The Potential Fellow Believer Who Erred From the Truth & Was Converted Back (James 5:19-20)

In fact, Paul is against Eternal Security or a sin and still be saved type belief. For Paul says,

We can fall from grace (Galatians 5:4).
We can be moved away from the hope (Colossians 1:23).
We can be a castaway (1 Corinthians 9:27).
We can be cut off just like the Jews if we do not continue in God’s goodness (Romans 11:20-22).
We can sow to the flesh and reap corruption instead of sowing to the Spirit which reaps everlasting life. (Galatians 6:8).
We can deny God by a lack of good works (Titus 1:16).
We can shipwreck our faith (1 Timothy 1:19).
We can deny the faith and be worse than an infidel if we do not provide for our own household (1 Timothy 5:8).
We can err from the faith and pierce ourselves thru with many sorrows if we love and covet after money (1 Timothy 6:10).
Hymnenaeus and Philetus have overthrown the faith of some (2 Timothy 2:18).

These things would not exist in Scripture if things are as some folks say.

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