The Righterzpen
Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm
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This doesn't address Jesus' use of it.
Jesus has hosea 10:8b coming to fulfillment within is audience's life time. In regards to "yourselves and for your children".
The crucifixion ended the need for sacrifices and nothing but thorns and thistles sprung up on their alters. And all this happened in the life time of the people Jesus was talking to.
Therefore, using scripture to interpret scripture, If Jesus applies hosea 10:8b to 70ad, then Revelation 6's use of it is in the same manner.
Yet, what you think Jesus is connecting Hosea to and what I think Jesus is connecting Hosea to are two different events.
No, parable of the net in matthew 13.
There's no parable (that I'm seeing at least) about a net in Matthew 13.
If God spoke to the prophets of Israel in dreams, visions, riddles, etc, and not in clear language like he did with moses, then why are you interpreting the NHNE in Isaiah as literal?
Because the symbolic dreams visions and riddles had literal fulfillment in Christ. Much of the symbolic / vision language is giving you a pictorial representation of something happening in a realm that you don't see. But just because you don't see it with physical eyes; doesn't mean it isn't real.
As stated before, I disagree. So we will just have to agree to disagree.
You disagree with what? That the literal cosmos will be destroyed or that the literal cosmos has been destroyed?
Yes, I would be on the spectrum of partial preterism that is closer to full preterism. But I am not a full preterist, as I don't believe all is fulfilled yet.
So... what is yet to be fulfilled? If you don't believe the literal cosmos will be destroyed; where is your Scriptural evidence to back up what you believe?
So then the men I quoted believe the exact opposite of what they wrote? I disagree. I know none of the men are full preterists, and do believe in a literal future heaven and earth recreation. But also believe in part we are in the NHNE as far as the gospel dispensation go and believe the earth shattering language of prophets do in part agree with the destruction of Jerusalem
So your accusation is still false, unless you can prove otherwise. If you want to claim something is false, then back it up.
Nice back track here!
You agree they believe in a destruction of the cosmos. Yet the only thing you've proven with what you've posted about what they said; is that "Jews believe X...." This is not a confirmation that they agree with the Jews.
I would be interested in hearing what you believe about the New Jerusalem. Whether you believe it is a literal cube that comes down from heaven or if it is symbolic for a greater spiritual truth? Do you disagree with the comparing scripture that I used in regards to the NJ and the body of CHrist?
Yes, I believe the New Jerusalem is / will be a literal place. How it is described to us now is in symbolic terms of a realm we currently can't see.
In other words, your confirming your own confirmation bias.
And almost as vehemently as you are confirming your own!
So again I ask you; seeing how I'm not convinced by what you've said that you have a proper interpretation of Scripture and it doesn't seem to me that I would convince you that I have a proper interpretation of Scripture - so what's the point of this conversation to you?
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