Being prochoice Christian conservative why is this seen as unusual?

Rescued One · Sep 26, 2020

Jr27cc said:
That's the thing I don't see abortion as a sin though. But raising children with single parents with lawlessness and drugs etc is a sin to me and that's exactly who's looting burning acting a maniac is people from dysfunctional broken families

My non-Christian parents divorced when I was 8 years and 11 months old. I've never used illegal drugs, abhor alcohol, never smoked and have never been arrested but for the grace of God! You're jumping to conclusions about the protesters and rioters. Not all married people are good parents. And everyone (including ALL parents) has/have sinned.

Why I am pro-life:

Thou shalt not kill.

Ephesians 1:4 ESV
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
What Does the Bible Say About God Knew Us Before We Were Born?

ChristServant · Sep 26, 2020

Jr27cc said:
Premature does not occur at 4 weeks 6 weeks or even 8 weeks

I'm sorry but your trying to mix modern scientific language with scripture to justify abortion.

This is what GOD said
5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;

I wish you would reconsider your stance and that GOD would open your hardened heart in these matters and help you to see the harm.

I cannot change you thoughts to GOD's will, only he can.

I hope that when you awake from your slumber and worldly desires that GOD will direct your once more toward HIM.

Isilwen · Sep 26, 2020

ChristServant said:
Do people go to hell if they don't repent of their sins?

It doesn't matter what the answer is, the rules of these forums are the rules of these forums. You agreed to them when you signed up to post here.

Hazelelponi · Sep 26, 2020

Nithavela said:
You should ask why wearing a mask is liberal.

In the USA, everything is either liberal or conservative, and you're supposed to pick one side and stick with it for all things. So you can either be pro-life and think wearing masks is limiting your freedom, or you can be for abortion until birth and that masks are an important part of combating COVID-19.

Not really... I am a conservative, yet support secular legal same sex marriage because legal marriage itself has legal benefits and we live in a secular society not a theocracy so I dont think we should sideline a group of people from being able to obtain the same legal benefits as Christians.

I am also 100% against same sex marriage in the church; I won't even visit a liberal church that believes in female pastors or church sanctioned same sex marriage.

So in the political sense, there are differences of opinion among people who associate with a particular party. Just like there is an LGBT group who is likewise, pro-life, as well as the fact there are conservative homosexual individuals.

However, when your looking not at party affiliation but at religious affiliation, pro-life Christians you could probably count on one hand, and those that exist probably aren't the most religious in other areas of their life, the assumption based on their beliefs that have no biblical basis, but rather a secular humanist point of view and lifestyle.

Take God completely out of the equation and I'm sure killing anyone to further your own enjoyment of life is a meaningless thing, since the only thing that matters is your own happiness.

So, I don't think it's so much party affiliation, but rather religious affiliation that makes the largest difference here even though there are some non-religious people who don't believe in abortion.

From a legal standpoint, the unborn is in fact a living human being entitled to the right to live in the U.S., it's why a man who kills a pregnant woman is charged with double homicide instead of just the murder of the mother. The Supreme Court ruling allowing abortion on demand is inconsistent with U.S. law in this regard...

ChristServant · Sep 26, 2020

Isilwen said:
It doesn't matter what the answer is, the rules of these forums are the rules of these forums. You agreed to them when you signed up to post here.

I don't care what you think or do, you have no hold over me, only GOD the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ does. You seem like the type to report me so do it and carry on your life with lack of forgiveness.

Rescued One · Sep 26, 2020

Isilwen said:
...I was raised by a single mom and by all counts, my relationship with my mother is dysfunctional to say the least. I am not out there looting or burning or acting like a maniac. Not all people who come from a single parent is like that.

I agree.

Strathos · Sep 26, 2020

I'd say that it's conservatives who make abortion their main issue, as they are willing to overlook any vile thing Trump does as long as he appoints pro-life justices to the Supreme Court.

Isilwen · Sep 26, 2020

ChristServant said:
lack of forgiveness

Lack of forgiveness from you?

Oh and, I was only trying to warn you about the rules of the forum. If you follow them or not it's no skin off my back, but if you want to post here and not get banned or have posting priveledges removed, you would do well to follow them.

Just trying to help.

Jr27cc · Sep 26, 2020

Hazelelponi said:
Not really... I am a conservative, yet support secular legal same sex marriage because legal marriage itself has legal benefits and we live in a secular society not a theocracy so I dont think we should sideline a group of people from being able to obtain the same legal benefits as Christians.

I am also 100% against same sex marriage in the church; I won't even visit a liberal church that believes in female pastors or church sanctioned same sex marriage.

So in the political sense, there are differences of opinion among people who associate with a particular party. Just like there is an LGBT group who is likewise, pro-life, as well as the fact there are conservative homosexual individuals.

However, when your looking not at party affiliation but at religious affiliation, pro-life Christians you could probably count on one hand, and those that exist probably aren't the most religious in other areas of their life, the assumption based on their beliefs that have no biblical basis, but rather a secular humanist point of view and lifestyle.

Take God completely out of the equation and I'm sure killing anyone to further your own enjoyment of life is a meaningless thing, since the only thing that matters is your own happiness.

So, I don't think it's so much party affiliation, but rather religious affiliation that makes the largest difference here even though there are some non-religious people who don't believe in abortion.

From a legal standpoint, the unborn is in fact a living human being entitled to the right to live in the U.S., it's why a man who kills a pregnant woman is charged with double homicide instead of just the murder if the mother. The Supreme Court ruling allowing abortion on demand is inconsistent with U.S. law in this regard...

Not really if it is known that the woman is pregnant a d further along they dont get charged for someone who is 3 or 4 weeks

Jr27cc · Sep 26, 2020

Strathos said:
I'd say that it's conservatives who make abortion their main issue, as they are willing to overlook any vile thing Trump does as long as he appoints pro-life justices to the Supreme Court.

Trump hasn't done anything wrong but as a black woman Biden has said very vile offensive things js

Jr27cc · Sep 26, 2020

ChristServant said:
I'm sorry but your trying to mix modern scientific language with scripture to justify abortion.

This is what GOD said
5"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you;

I wish you would reconsider your stance and that GOD would open your hardened heart in these matters and help you to see the harm.

I cannot change you thoughts to GOD's will, only he can.

I hope that when you awake from your slumber and worldly desires that GOD will direct your once more toward HIM.

Yes before birth is not not conception and begining the process of creating isn't created.

We just have different takes on the Bible that's cool

Jr27cc · Sep 26, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
My non-Christian parents divorced when I was 8 years and 11 months old. I've never used illegal drugs, abhor alcohol, never smoked and have never been arrested but for the grace of God! You're jumping to conclusions about the protesters and rioters. Not all married people are good parents. And everyone (including ALL parents) has/have sinned.

Why I am pro-life:

Thou shalt not kill.

Ephesians 1:4 ESV
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
What Does the Bible Say About God Knew Us Before We Were Born?

By that logic birth control is against the Bible of which I don't believe e because I believe in GODS WILL.

I'm not saying everyone will be but with that outloon brings the Outlook of lack of value to the traditional family

ChristServant · Sep 26, 2020

Isilwen said:
Lack of forgiveness from you?

Oh and, I was only trying to warn you about the rules of the forum. If you follow them or not it's no skin off my back, but if you want to post here and not get banned or have posting priveledges removed, you would do well to follow them.

Just trying to help.

It didn't seem you were trying to help, just take out some anger issues on me because of my opinion on a sensitve subject. Especially when the OP stated she wasn't bothered but you persisted in the matter many times.

Anyhow I really have nothing against you and wish you well on your journey to GOD the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We all have our weaknesses and I am not short of them that's for sure. Will learn from my mistakes and convictions and make progress along the path.

It is a heated subject for me the taking of a life.

Peace be with you and I hope you have a good evening ahead you.

plain jayne · Sep 26, 2020

Jr27cc said:
To me its not to me killing a born baby or full grown unborn child. I see it as a right to property also I see more as society as a whole traditionally originally abortion was not illegal therefore it actually keep the traditional buclear family intact which is more in line with my moral standards

Yes, I understand that you do not see an unborn baby as having life. And I've heard the "property" issue many times.

I don't have a right to personally condemn you and make you feel guilty because I have sin in my own life. I will be praying, however, for the Holy Spirit to bring conviction to you as that is his job, not mine.

And conviction from Him can bring peace, healing, repentance, and spiritual growth.

I do not and cannot see an unborn baby as someone's "property" to dispose of if not wanted.

And as for there being a drop in nuclear families - I cannot reconcile that with killing the unborn children just because there is only one parent. Where does that stop? My 57 year old brother is retarded, autistic, legally blind, and partially deaf.

Should society kill him because there is only my mother and I to take care of him? Is he "property" for my mother to dispose of as she is now elderly and needs help taking care of him and there is no help?

God forbid. He is a blessing to my mother and I.

Life is life - unborn or 110. Life is not the property of someone else.

We are going to have to just disagree there.

I will leave you with this. I have had great sin in my life. Great sin. And I can tell you that taking it privately to God - just He and I - has been healing in so many ways I never dreamed of.

People may condemn, but God forgives the humble and gives grace to them.

pescador · Sep 26, 2020

plain jayne said:
Abortion is not about gender. It's about the death of a baby. Where is the freedom in that?

I've counseled many women who have regretted their decision and those that have not but just wanted to talk about it. I'm the kind that gives a gentle and listening ear to these women and girls.

Trust me. Your assertion that abortion is all about the pursuit of happiness and "freedom" is a far cry from reality.

My wife was a midwife for many years (now retired). I know A LOT about abortion, including the toll it takes on the many people involved: the family and the caregivers. I don't follow the media BS; I follow the people whose lives are affected by the medical decisions they make. => Nobody takes the abortion of a fetus lightly! <= If the fetus stands zero chance of survival outside the womb, if the mother's life is in danger and she has other children, if the fetus has a fatal abnormality that insures it will live a very, very short, painful life even if it survives birth, and other similar situations... These are situations that MUST be decided by the woman, her physician, and the family, NOT by the government!!

Get real!

pescador · Sep 26, 2020

ChristServant said:
I don't care what you think or do, you have no hold over me, only GOD the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ does. You seem like the type to report me so do it and carry on your life with lack of forgiveness.

If I were you I would be the one to pray for forgiveness. Have you ever read "love your neighbor as yourself"? Does that not apply to you?

dqhall · Sep 26, 2020

Phoebe Ann said:
My non-Christian parents divorced when I was 8 years and 11 months old. I've never used illegal drugs, abhor alcohol, never smoked and have never been arrested but for the grace of God! You're jumping to conclusions about the protesters and rioters. Not all married people are good parents. And everyone (including ALL parents) has/have sinned.

Why I am pro-life:

Thou shalt not kill.

Ephesians 1:4 ESV
Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love
What Does the Bible Say About God Knew Us Before We Were Born?

I do not understand why Republicans say they are pro-life and are against gun control laws. They want the law to allow gun sales to convicted murderers and felons. It seems like all they want is campaign money from the NRA. Japan has strict gun control laws. They do not sell semi auto, rifles, handguns or swords. The US murder rate is 350 times greater per capita than the US murder rate.

I am celibate and can not need a woman to get an abortion. I think she may want one if her life is threatened by a complicated pregnancy, or the fetus is totally deformed.

Junia · Sep 26, 2020

Jr27cc said:
Ok so I have seen on here and Instagram often people conflate being pro choice as liberal. But I don't get why? I understand liberals make abortion their main issue but it's all a money thing for them. The abortion companies make a lot of money off of it so they want it to keep going which is ok I would prefer birth control being more effective rather than pushing abortion actually preventative care. But I see many conservatives who are pro choice. So why is it associated with being a conservative to be prolife?

I had an abortion 6 years ago. And all throughout my opinion on abortion has always been the same. I've never had any issue with my abortion in itself. I had no regrets. And my opinion on abortion is actually from my conservative inclinations. I am very much for the traditional family and keeping that intact. In my case my husband was and still is in prison and I didn't want to raise a child as a single mom. Abortion is a very good tool to limit single motherhood and to promote healthy families. I would never want it to be illegal because it keeps our society as a whole healthy. A lot of the time I hear from liberals they're like antipatriarchy antitraditional families feminism etc... I'm not at all for any other that I just agree on abortion I think for mostly different reasons. Basically different reasons same conclusion.

I have always identified as a religious Christian conservative and have never had any regrets or issues with my abortion . Yet online people keep this divided as prolife v prochoice and conservative v liberal respectively like they go hand in hand. Like being prochoice is anti religious traditions lawlessness and it get in the way of my Twitter following because I don't side with liberals but I agree on abortion. I only agree on abortion because I feel it's good family values and traditional standard family. You see to many people have kids in very dysfunctional situation like I did and the only remedy to me well the best one would be in many cases an abortion. So I'm very prochoice but I am very proud conservative traditional values as well

More than that it also is made to be like the main issue. So because I had an abortion I can't want to get a job or want national security or want morality in society. It's like I've always been a Christian conservative and I don't see any beliefs that I have outside of abortion being legal where I agree with liberal democrats. So idk how I'm supposed to support someone I completely disagree with? I am pro guns pro free of speech against antifa and blm pro smaller government and I. Not in favor of gay marriage. Yes I know Ruth bader gingsburgs death means another judge not similar and honestly I agree with her on abortion I'm completely in favor of planned Parenthood funding abortion and I'm overall pro choice but her having the most conservative judge replace her even on abortion won't make abortion illegal so why would that make me have to be a democrats? Why is prochoice/prolife so defining?

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God doesn't care of you are Conservative, liberal or whatever. He cares that you love Him

For what it's worth I am 98% against abortion. Exception being where the life of mother is in danger which I believe accounts for a very small percentage of abortions

Where I am unusual as a christian is I do advocate for the use of contraception because I believe not all Christian wives are called to be mother s. I don't support a single woman being on the pill just so she can formulate but married Christians can use non abortificent forms of birth control. some can cope with 20 children but many cannot cope with even one. An autistic Christian husband I know of decided he couldn't cope with being a dad and he and his wife are both very poor so they never did have children. That is fine.

Junia · Sep 26, 2020

I have been told I am sinning because I intend to be sterilized if I marry. due to health reasons having and raising children would not be an option for me . I think as long as the man who I marry is aware of this before we the the knot then that is fine.. If he wants to be a father I would advise him to forget me and choose another.

There are two extremes. On one end is a non Christian woman who is single and sleeps with men and uses abortion like a form of contraceptives. That is one end of the spectrum and at the other is the Quiverfull wife who believes family planning is sinful and will not use contraceptives even if she cannot afford more children or her health is poor. Ok, the latter isn't actually sinning in any way and if she wants to live that way that is not wrong, but it is not something that should apply to everyone. The former is an example.that no Christian woman should ever emulate

SkyWriting · Sep 26, 2020

Albion said:
Conservatism as a philosophy believes strongly in transcendent natural rights, the inalienable and God-given rights that our founding fathers talked about. The right to life, not surprisingly, is among these rights, along with the right to liberty and property.

But not the right for women to make their own decisions. Pregnant women are just property while the he-mans sperm matures.

Being prochoice Christian conservative why is this seen as unusual?

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