Trump Admin Argues that Nothing in the Constitution Requires that the Census be Accurate

Kenny'sID said:

I read it, and that was sufficient, no need to repost it, but you may do so if you like.

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No, I think the fact my post was misrepresented demonstrates my point sufficiently.

KCfromNC said:

No, I think the fact my post was misrepresented demonstrates my point sufficiently.

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I already basically told you to defend yourself if you dont think others are clear on your posts, or you can do nothing and complain there is a problem.

Your accusation is funny, BTW, I've never once been accused of such nonsense, nor seen anyone else do so. But I get it, with no leg to stand on for defense, best to leave it and try to make it appear it's my bad...also very funny.

essentialsaltes said:

Your denial is funny, BTW. see also

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And your wrong opinion even funnier...meh

KCfromNC said:

Because I see no reason to think they are. And it is just a really dumb argument. See my example of EC votes - I mean, no one would take seriously the claim that "the Constitution doesn't require an accurate counting of EC votes, just a count of them". That at best would be thought to be obvious satire or word play. And yet here we have the administration making a parallel argument with an attempted straight face, and now we're supposed to pretend that it is a genuine attempt at Constitutional law. I don't think that lack of effort on their part deserves that sort of reward.

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Yup, the concept of “due diligence” has been adjudicated before, before the courts.

Will ending the count early harm the numbers, especially with traditionally undercounted groups?

Of course. Is there malicious intent? Of course.

Haven't we learned that Trump always puts personal advantage over country?

Vote him out.

HARK! said:

Maybe, maybe not. Is there a difference between increased inaccuracy as a result of some inaction, and deliberate inaccuracy?

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Yes, provided that the inaction is not a decision geared to the goal of being inaccurate, much as there is a difference between involuntary homicide and premeditated murder.

By what clearly enumerated section if the U.S. Constitution, could the President be held adversely accountable for exercising his executive powers, in a time of a national crisis, at his empowered discretion, for the protection of his subordinates, and for the American People as a whole?

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Inapplicable question to the case at hand.

Trump Admin Argues that Nothing in the Constitution Requires that the Census be Accurate

Is this the same President and Administration that is challenging mail-in voting for the Presidential Election because they question its ability to provide accurate results - apparently Trump only shows an interest in his version of "accuracy" when it effects him personally!

How many millions of dollars and 1,000's of man-hours are being invested in this 10 year, nationwide census whose accuracy is essential in providing the rationale for how government policies, programs and funding are allocated?

You can't make these things up!

They call Trump.transactional. Every decision is based on what benefits him.

He is who he is. A man with a wing in SingSing waiting for him and his family in January for crimes committed in New York.

Although he would only be convicted for a small amount of his offenses, our faith in the justice system would be restored.

BTW, Eric has defied a subpoena. Lock him up.

But the American people are my real disappointment. How many lies and misdeeds can they deny? My friends, any one of you would be a better president because you have faith in God and the knowledge that you are not the center of the universe.

The NY Times has calculated the result if the census stops now. Opinion | Trump’s Desperate Plan to Cut Short the Census Could Backfire Money shifts away from red states, and one congressional rep moves from Florida to Ohio.

essentialsaltes said:

LINK

Secretary Ross seems to think court orders are optional.

Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross announced Monday evening that he intends to conclude the 2020 census on October 5, more than three weeks earlier than expected after a federal judge reinstated the October 31 end date.

The announcement, in a social media post from the Census Bureau, said October 5 is the "target date" to end the acceptance of individual census responses and the nationwide effort to knock on the doors of households that have not responded.

The announcement came as Judge Lucy Koh, who last week had issued a preliminary injunction reinstating the October 31 date, began a conference in the case. The Trump administration has also appealed her order to a higher court.

Judge wants to know more about this. 'Did I stutter?'

Koh inquired about unverified claims submitted to the court that the Census Bureau has not properly carried out her orders.

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Too much talking, not enough reluctant defendant getting roughed up by federal marshals on his was into custody for contempt.

essentialsaltes said:

Trump officials interfered with the 2020 census beyond cutting it short, email shows

Former President Donald Trump's administration alarmed career civil servants at the Census Bureau by not only ending the 2020 national head count early, but also pressuring them to alter plans for protecting people's privacy and producing accurate data, a newly released email shows.

At the time, the administration was faced with the reality that if Trump lost the November election he could also lose a chance to change the census numbers used to redistribute political representation. The window of opportunity was closing for his administration to attempt to radically reshape the futures of the U.S. House of Representatives and the Electoral College.

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Where’s the “big brother” thread?

Of COURSE any kind of associate with Trump would take that position.

Pommer said:

Where’s the “big brother” thread?

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I look forward to all the whataboutism....

What about that democrat who jaywalked!!

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Census misses may have cost Florida and Texas in redistricting

Census miscounts in Texas and Florida may have been big enough to cost those states a congressional seat this decade, and may have helped states such as Rhode Island keep a seat, according to data in a Census Bureau report released Thursday.

The agency missed almost 5 percent of the country’s Hispanic population, the largest miss for that group in decades. In 2010, the agency missed about 1.5 percent of that population, less than 1 percent in 2000, and almost 5 percent in 1990.

The 2020 census also missed about 3 percent of the Black population, also the highest such undercount in decades. In 2010, it missed 2 percent of that population, less than 2 percent in 2000, and 4.5 percent in 1990.

On the other side of the ledger, the agency estimates it overcounted the Asian population by 2.6 percent, the white population by 1.6 percent and homeowners by 0.4 percent.

/congratulations, you played yourself

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Just one more thing Trump did poorly. The democrats are to blame for this, of course.