Noah's Ark

JacksBratt said:

I'm pretty sure that those that disagree with you.. on whatever topic... themselves..... feel that they are being led by the Spirit.. just as you do.

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Of course.... Christians voting for Joe Biden feel like they are being led of the Spirit, too.
Truth trumps emotions. At least, if one is denying self and taking up their cross to follow Truth, when the Truth is presented.

But... Emotions trump over truth when one's emotions become one's god. They can not be reasoned with. "Come let us reason together." Don't you think God reasoned with Lucifer and his angels?

We are in a battle. Everyone who is a Christian thinks they are led of the Spirit. But not all will be. That is why we are told to test the spirits. How? Does what we wish were true disagree with the facts? Then? Prove all things. We are commanded to prove all things. Just making up one's mind what they are going to believe proves only that stubbornness trumps over the facts.

It happens all the time. As angels watch men and women think in a way that represents how they were at the time of decision between Satan and God. And, they see how the fallen angels (who at one time they dearly loved) played games with Truth and distorted reality to suit their desires contrary to the Truth. Its one reason angels watch and will cheer when one sinner will repent. Luke 15:8-10 Luke 15:5-7

Repent, means? To change one's thinking. Simply stop thinking one way and change to what you recognize as being true. Even the word "repent" we can not agree upon. Even "to change ones thinking" was how the word "repent" was used back then. To repent, means to be presented truth. Then one reasons... and decides to follow Truth.

Why do you think we have over a thousand denominations? People walk in their emotions who is their god, will go to where they feel at home with what suits their personal preferences when living by the god of their emotions. (those who make their belly their god). Philippians 3:19 - "Belly/stomach" was used back then to describe our emotions.



If you be right in what you choose to believe? And, I be wrong, and refuse to listen to reason? It will be for all the reasons I gave you in this post. I can be deceived if Truth is not my only priority. God will bring Truth your way.

When one follows Christ they must keep their eyes on what the Spirit witnesses to their hearts about. God is fair. Dishonesty with self, is hung on a cross when one sees how they are not as smart as they and their friends think they are. Or, isolating self from others so you are free to think you are as smart as you wish to be with no one challenging you. Churches are havens for making friends with others...Not always for becoming a friend with the Word of God. It happens all the time. But, not always.

I do not know what to tell you beyond that. God has His way with His children. Not all will please Him. For, not all want to. They want to use Him to please themselves. Even if it means to impose self suffering upon themselves to play the martyr in their own eyes. "Give up this... give up that."




There is no "formula" that even a religious person can follow. You are either using 1 John 1:9 as often as needed, or we only think we are walking in the Spirit.

If our friends and family approve of us we must be right with God? Or if they all disagree we must be doing God's will? Test the spirits. Truth is the only solution. PROVE all things. Not fold our arms and make up our mind what you are going to believe. That leads to a religious spirit, not the Spiritual Life in the Word of God = Christ.

Sound doctrine God will provide if truly desired.

grace and peace.....

Piet Strydom said:

Perhaps I am lost in translation, but I do not see what you claim.
1. Jeremiah prophesies about the Destruction of Juday and Jerusalem.
2. Where does it say the Angels inhabited the Earth before Adam.
Where does it say there was a war between the Angels of God, and the angels of Satan?

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And, some thought Jesus said he was going to destroy the Temple. For, where does it say he spoke of his own body?

You need everything black and white? That is not how the spiritual life takes the victory.




Insight comes from the Spirit in you... If you are walking with the Spirit in more and more knowledge of sound doctrine. False doctrine leaves us flat and wanting simple answers that require no insight.

Piet Strydom said:

Then, if you are different in opinion to the "War" effects of the angels, why did the angels destroy the Earth. Why did God flood the entire earth? to kill the angels?

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Not to kill the angels. Did God kill Adam? Or, take away his paradise? God took away the prehistoric creation.

genez said:

Of course.... Christians voting for Joe Biden feel like they are being led of the Spirit, too.
Truth trumps emotions. At least, if one is denying self and taking up their cross to follow Truth, when the Truth is presented.

But... Emotions trump over truth when one's emotions become one's god. They can not be reasoned with. "Come let us reason together." Don't you think God reasoned with Lucifer and his angels?

We are in a battle. Everyone who is a Christian thinks they are led of the Spirit. But not all will be. That is why we are told to test the spirits. How? Does what we wish were true disagree with the facts? Then? Prove all things. We are commanded to prove all things. Just making up one's mind what they are going to believe proves only that stubbornness trumps over the facts.

It happens all the time. As angels watch men and women think in a way that represents how they were at the time of decision between Satan and God. And, they see how the fallen angels (who at one time they dearly loved) played games with Truth and distorted reality to suit their desires contrary to the Truth. Its one reason angels watch and will cheer when one sinner will repent. Luke 15:8-10 Luke 15:5-7

Repent, means? To change one's thinking. Simply stop thinking one way and change to what you recognize as being true. Even the word "repent" we can not agree upon. Even "to change ones thinking" was how the word "repent" was used back then. To repent, means to be presented truth. Then one reasons... and decides to follow Truth.

Why do you think we have over a thousand denominations? People walk in their emotions who is their god, will go to where they feel at home with what suits their personal preferences when living by the god of their emotions. (those who make their belly their god). Philippians 3:19 - "Belly/stomach" was used back then to describe our emotions.

"For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number
of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear." 2 tim 4:3​

If you be right in what you choose to believe? And, I be wrong and refuse to listen to reason? Its for all the reasons I gave you in this post. I can be deceived if Truth is not my only priority. God will bring Truth your way.

When one follows Christ they must keep their eyes on what the Spirit witnesses to their hearts about. God is fair. Dishonesty with self, is hung on a cross when one sees how they are not as smart as they and their friends think they are. Or, isolating self from others so you are free to think you are as smart as you wish to be with no one challenging you. Churches are havens for making friends with others...Not always for becoming a friend with the Word of God. It happens all the time. But, not always.

I do not know what to tell you beyond that. God has His way with His children. Not all will please Him. For, not all want to. They want to use Him to please themselves. Even if it means to impose self suffering upon themselves to play the martyr in their own eyes. "Give up this... give up that."

Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world,
why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:
“Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!”? These rules, which have to
do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely
human commands and teachings." Col 20-22​

There is no "formula" that even a religious person can follow. You are either using 1 John 1:9 as often as needed, or we only think we are walking in the Spirit.

If our friends and family approve of us we must be right with God? Or if they all disagree we must be doing God's will? Test the spirits. Truth is the only solution. PROVE all things. Not fold our arms and make up our mind what you are going to believe. That leads to a religious spirit, not the Spiritual Life in the Word of God = Christ.

Sound doctrine God will provide if truly desired.

grace and peace.....

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Thanks for that information.

Your quote of 2 Timothy 4:3 has never been truer than today.

God bless.

AV1611VET said:

Where did Noah build the Ark?

Be specific please.

I say he built it in what is now New Jersey.

Be prepared to defend your position.

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On dry ground.

AV1611VET said:

Now THERE'S a winner!

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Noah lived in a dry county. God picked that area on purpose, because if it were not a dry county? It would have taken well over 500 years to build the Ark.

AV1611VET said:

Ocean County, New Jersey to be exact.Probably because of the pine barrens there.I doubt that.

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Well? Drunks are known to be a lot slower in getting things done. That is why God chose a dry county.

genez said:

Not to kill the angels. Did God kill Adam? Or, take away his paradise? God took away the prehistoric creation.

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perhaps I did not relay my message very clearly.
What do you say, how was the earth destroyed pre Adam?
Do you have any Biblical references to this claim?
and did angels live on the earth?
And where in the Bible does it say that?
Sola Scripta please

Piet Strydom said:

perhaps I did not relay my message very clearly.
What do you say, how was the earth destroyed pre Adam?
Do you have any Biblical references to this claim?
and did angels live on the earth?
And where in the Bible does it say that?
Sola Scripta please

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One step at a time. When has Lucifer ever heralded in the mornings [Isaiah 14:12] in our creation?


“How you have fallen from heaven,
O star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to the earth,
You who have weakened the nations!


And, when have the angels called 'morning stars' ever performed as stars in this creation?


“Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation?
Tell me, if you understand.
Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know!
Who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its footings set,
or who laid its cornerstone—
while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Job 38:4-7

Note... There were two different races of angels.
Only certain ones were light bearers.
Regular angels are not light bearers.

Lucifer was the head of the light bearing angels for the prehistoric creations. Lucifer in the previous creations would herald in the mornings. The Lord would then provide the light for the rest of the day... as shown in the first three days of Genesis One. For, there were no sun, moon, and stars until the fourth day. The Lord gave the light of day as he had always done in the previous creation....

OK, so we have Satan who fell and we know it was after Satan weakened the Nations. Therefore it was not during the "In the Beginning" before Adam was created, becaust it was about 2000 years later that "Nations" came into existence.
And, here we have God creating the Earth, and all the angels were singing together, and all the angels shouted with joy.
This was when God made the Earth, but why did you stop at Job.
Proverbs has a much more detailed description on when the Word of God was with God during creation.

Here we have an eye witness telling us step bu step on what God did when he created the Universe, right up to after god created people.
Not a single mention of angels destroying the earth.
Pro 8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
Pro 8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
Pro 8:24 When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.
Pro 8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
Pro 8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
Pro 8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
Pro 8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
Pro 8:30 Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him;
Pro 8:31 Rejoicing in the habitable part of his earth; and my delights were with the sons of men.
Pro 8:32 Now therefore hearken unto me, O ye children: for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Pro 8:33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.

Where is the story that the earth got destroyed?

Piet Strydom said:

OK, so we have Satan who fell and we know it was after Satan weakened the Nations. Therefore it was not during the "In the Beginning" before Adam was created, becaust it was about 2000 years later that "Nations" came into existence.

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Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled:
suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment. How
long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish
children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil,
but to do good they have no knowledge.
I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and
the heavens, and they had no light. (Gen 1:2!)
I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved
lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the
heavens were fled. I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness,
and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord,
and by his fierce anger. For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land
shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end." Jer 4:20-27

If I may speculate according to what the Word tells us? Nations as we now know them now did not exist back then. Yet, there was a concept of nations. Domains assigned to angels to be stewards over.

A form of man did exist according to Jeremiah's words. When I was at Bible college the professor of ancient languages gave a series about "Was Adam the first man?" He explained that in the Hebrew of Jeremiah that where we see the word 'man' it is a generic term for man. Today we can say 'humanoid." It says that that mankind was utterly wiped out. Ceased to exist. Prehistoric man.

Therefore Jeremiah could not be speaking of the kind of mankind we have come from. For no man survived.

Jeremiah had to back track at the end and explain, unlike the prehistoric man, they would not be utterly destroyed. That some will be spared. Jeremiah needed to add that to differentiate from his reference to Genesis 1:2 which held a certain meaning to his hearers. For Genesis 1:2 spoke to them of an absolute and utter destruction of all life on the planet.

In verse 4:27, Jeremiah needed to tell the Jews (who understood the Genesis 1:2 wording in their native tongue of Hebrew) the following to let them know that they would not cease being as a people completely.


For when Jeremiah quoted Genesis 1:2 to them it was indicating to the Hebrew speaking Jews (who were taught Genesis from the Hebrew) that an utter destruction was not going to happen to all the people of Israel. Not take place just like the first creation that was completely and utterly put an end to.

Why would Jeremiah make sure to make such distinction other wise?

Because, unlike many of us. Those Jews understood the Hebrew. Very few do today. Many read translations into English that lack the exactness needed to understand properly the Word of God. It why we have many problems in understanding.

God will always give us needed qualified teachers. Not all believers seek God as to find them. For their sense of self confidence destroys that seeking...