Sola Scriptura: Are the Scriptures Sufficient as a Rule of Faith?

Athanasius377 · Jul 12, 2020

Tradidi said:
I assume this is in reply to my last post?

Are you saying that #1 is the nature of Scripture, #2 is It's purpose and #3 is It's effects?

Yes. I haven’t worked all the way through it’s implications but for sake of the argument yes.

thecolorsblend · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
I have. And it is perfectly clear that the proponents of SS cant come up with a scripture verse to support it.

Athanasius377 · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
I have. And it is perfectly clear that the proponents of SS cant come up with a scripture verse to support it.

We have. It’s 2 Tim 3:16-17.

2 Timothy 3:16–17 (ESV): All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

concretecamper · Jul 12, 2020

Athanasius377 said:
We have. It’s 2 Tim 3:16-17.

2 Timothy 3:16–17 (ESV): All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

I whole heatedly agree with this.

The only problem is that it doesn't say ONLY scripture.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
your fatal mistake, to say God's Word is limited to scripture. Good.luck with that.

Ok dear friend. I can understand why you will not answer my question. I will leave it between you and God. Perhaps you can pray about it. Thanks for the discussion.

dms1972 · Jul 12, 2020

1 Corinthians 4:6

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. (KJV)

thecolorsblend · Jul 12, 2020

dms1972 said:
1 Corinthians 4:6

And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another. (KJV)

Can you show me the scripture that says scripture is the only authority tho? Thx!

Athanasius377 · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
I whole heatedly agree with this.

The only problem is that it doesn't say ONLY scripture.

Agreed. It is sufficient however which is what the OP is asking me to prove. I would go one step further in asserting it (SS) is the only infallible, God Breathed rule of faith. That doesn’t exclude the Church which is the pillar and foundation of truth. Nor does it exclude the ministry of God the Holy Spirit. So like you I can say a hearty Amen to creeds like the Athanasian creed or the definition of Chalcedon. We do however that they are God Breathed or infallible.

concretecamper · Jul 12, 2020

Athanasius377 said:
It is sufficient however

it doesnt say that either. It may be your assumption though.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
your fatal mistake, to say God's Word is limited to scripture. Good.luck with that.

I never said any such thing.

concretecamper · Jul 12, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
I never said any such thing.

LoveGodsWord said:
God's Word is scripture

concretecamper said:
your fatal mistake, to say God's Word is limited to scripture.

LoveGodsWord · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
your fatal mistake, to say God's Word is limited to scripture.

Like I said where did I ever say that Gods' Word is limited to scripture? If I have never said any such thing why pretend that I did? I said Gods' Word is scripture.

Athanasius377 · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
it doesnt say that either. It may be your assumption though.

It does say complete however . Would you agree to be completely equipped also makes you sufficiently equipped?

LoveGodsWord · Jul 12, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
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Already addressed here click me.

When scripture is provided to those who deny it....

concretecamper · Jul 12, 2020

Athanasius377 said:
It does say complete however . Would you agree to be completely equipped also makes you sufficiently equipped?

so the scripture Timothy knew from his youth is the Tanakh. I would agree the teachings (properly understood) of the Tanakh are sufficient to equip a man to every good work.

Philip_B · Jul 12, 2020

God is prisoner of neither Book, nor Tabernacle nor Institution.

thecolorsblend · Jul 12, 2020

LoveGodsWord said:
Already addressed here click me.

When scripture is provided to those who deny it....

What we've seen are posts saying variations on "Gosh darn golly gee, Sacred Scripture is the super awesomerest evar" but not much else.

Show me the scripture that says something akin to "Sacred Scripture should be your sole authority". This thread has gone on for 20 pages and so far all we've established is that scripture is "profitable". That's lovely but we knew that already.

Show me the scripture saying scripture is the only authority.

Athanasius377 · Jul 12, 2020

concretecamper said:
so the scripture Timothy knew from his youth is the Tanakh. I would agree the teachings (properly understood) of the Tanakh are sufficient to equip a man to every good work.

Yes. That is the context. Yet the passage states all scripture. Would you agree that scripture is scripture regardless of when it was God breathed? Is the NT also scripture? Did Paul have an eye to future scripture? The text doesn’t say. It simply says “All Scripture”. I submit that it is a form of the prophetic present. Meaning the passage has application now but it’s fulfillment in the future. Like Isaiah’s suffering servant. It’s Israel in the context yet we also know that this prophecy is fulfilled in Christ.

Isaiah 53:3–5 (ESV): He was despised and rejected by men,
a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
smitten by God, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
and with his wounds we are healed

LoveGodsWord · Jul 12, 2020

thecolorsblend said:
What we've seen are posts saying variations on "Gosh darn golly gee, Sacred Scripture is the super awesomerest evar" but not much else.

Show me the scripture that says something akin to "Sacred Scripture should be your sole authority". This thread has gone on for 20 pages and so far all we've established is that scripture is "profitable". That's lovely but we knew that already.

Show me the scripture saying scripture is the only authority.

Here you go already provided some time ago click me. If we are only saved by God's Grace through faith *Epehsians 2:8 and faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God *Romans 10:17 how can you have faith when there is no Word? If there is no word there is no faith and if there is no faith there is no salvation (see John 3:16; 1 John 5:4).

concretecamper · Jul 12, 2020

Athanasius377 said:
I submit that it is a form of the prophetic present

you can certainly add that understanding to it. But it isnt consistent with the letter or the orthodox understanding.

In fact, if one is given license to add to or to define scripture to suit their needs, we have....Protestantism.

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