Time to end Coronavirus restrictions

Gregory Thompson · Jul 5, 2020

driewerf said:
And let the USA pay for it?

Hahaha like the mexico wall? no way.

Subduction Zone · Jul 5, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
Look again at the numbers. They're up in Germany, South Korea, China and so on.

Germany has been statistically flat for over a month, and with very low rates of new cases. On the order of 100 new cases a day. On a per capita basis we have more than ten times as many new cases a day.

Germany Coronavirus: 197,460 Cases and 9,085 Deaths - Worldometer

South Korea, the same:

South Korea Coronavirus: 13,091 Cases and 283 Deaths - Worldometer

Do you have any statistics that support this claim?

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

seeking.IAM said:
Wrong x 2. Perhaps it is better said the government can't control its people. It is people that can control the virus and in the U.S. we're not doing so well at that because we are independent and we think we know better than science. There are examples of other countries that have done much better at that whether you want to attribute it to government measures or their citizens willingness to comply with government measures. The second problem is this virus is not going to run its course. It's here to stay until there is a vaccine.

and frankly I am not sure I will trust the vaccine they come up with ( not because I do not trust the government ( which also happens to be true, but because ANYTHING that is rushed like that is not always the best and safest thing to do.

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

Michael Collum said:
Well, we might need to build a wall between Canada and the US if that happens.

why?

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 5, 2020

Redwingfan9 said:
It's time to acknowledge what most of us thought was the case: Government can't control a virus. Coronavirus cases are increasing, not just in places that opened up 2 months ago. Back in May, in NYC 66% of hospitalizations were people who had been locked down. Government was never able to control the virus.

Two pieces of news struck me this week as indicative of the need for government to pull back and let the virus run its course. 38 MLB players and nearly 30 NBA players tested positive last week. These are people being forced to take tests by their employer, as opposed to people who think they're sick and are going to get a test. A team and a half of baseball players and 10% of NBA players who will play in their new format suggests the virus is incredibly widespread, way beyond the official positive numbers.

Deaths are not increasing substantially, they remained steady in June despite previous high numbers at the end of May. This remains a 99.6% survival virus. According to the CDC those under 55 have a 99.95% survival rate, those 55-64 survive 99.8% of the time and those 65+ survive 98.5% of the time. Those numbers may drop if the virus is as widespread as the numbers suggest.

It's time to end all restrictions on our lives. Ditch the placebo masks, ditch the social distancing and move on with life. This virus cannot be controlled by the state. Let it run its course naturally without us trying to flatten curves which will only serve to extend the economic and social misery the government has created with this virus. Enough is enough.

Sounds like you’re accepting defeat. Giving up when things are at their worst isn’t the American spirit of resilience I was taught as a kid.

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
why?

To keep us dirty, disease infected Americans out of their country.

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

FireDragon76 said:
I have no desire to join a death cult. I value my life and the life of my family, so I am oppossed to the government doing nothing. My life matters, I would hope other people would feel the same and we could agree that the nihilistic course of action of simply doing nothing is unethical.

It is not a death cult it is the idea that living in fear is not living ( notice I did not say not being careful is not living, and frankly the fact that every life owes a death the Bible says that, but so does science. Something will get us all and there is very little point in worrying about what it will be. That does not mean do not be careful that does not mean to not seek treatment when you are sick it DOES mean not to have an unreasonable fear of living and being unreasonably worried about a virus that the VAST majority of people will recover from. Yes, some may have long-term or even life long damage ( and we do not even know the number that is yet), but that can be said of a lot of decisions in life ( even some decisions concerning employment)

istodolez · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
It is not a death cult it is the idea that living in fear is not living ( notice I did not say not being careful is not living, and frankly the fact that every life owes a death the Bible says that, but so does science. Something will get us all and there is very little point in worrying about what it will be.

I bet you still look both ways when crossing the street.

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

A_Thinker said:
People ... can control limit virus exposures ... just like I can control ( to a more or less extent) my children.

Government can motivate people to limit exposure ... and a government that sits on its hand and lets (and/or even encourages) exposures to escalate out of control ... is not worthy of my vote ...

Encouraging people to limit exposure is WAY different than controlling people.

Desk trauma · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
It is not a death cult it is the idea that living in fear is not living ( notice I did not say not being careful is not living, and frankly the fact that every life owes a death the Bible says that, but so does science. Something will get us all and there is very little point in worrying about what it will be. That does not mean do not be careful that does not mean to not seek treatment when you are sick it DOES mean not to have an unreasonable fear of living and being unreasonably worried about a virus that the VAST majority of people will recover from. Yes, some may have long-term or even life long damage ( and we do not even know the number that is yet), but that can be said of a lot of decisions in life ( even some decisions concerning employment)

The differnce being I get to chose my job and can leave it at any point. I do not get to chose if other infect me with this virus due to their refusal to take even the most basic precautions and cannot chose to get rid of the virus once infected.

istodolez · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
why?

Because America is quickly becoming a "failed state". Think about this description:

1. Strongman leader with populist tendencies who admires no one but other dictators
2. Legislature that largely rubber-stamps the strongman's desires (GOP Senators)
3. Third-world levels of income inequality
4. Rampant poverty
5. One of the most inaccessible healthcare systems in the developed world
6. World-leading rates of gun homicides and gun violence
7. Inability to deal with a virus while other DEVELOPED nations have flattened their infection rate curves
8. Riots and racial unrest

Personally if I were Canadian I would FEAR the upcoming collapse of the US. We are going to become economic refugees who are riddled with disease that have largely been controlled in the developed world.

We sound kinda scary!

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

GoldenBoy89 said:
To keep us dirty, disease infected Americans out of their country.

but that assumes that a lot of Americans would one be running the border and two not respecting requests to stay out.

istodolez · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
Encouraging people to limit exposure is WAY different than controlling people.

Even moreso when dealing with Americans who seem to think "expertise" is a form of elitism and to be denigrated. You can't really "encourage" people who can't think beyond 3rd grade levels to do anything. ESPECIALLY when it helps OTHER people. Most toddlers are pretty self-centered.

istodolez · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
but that assumes that a lot of Americans would one be running the border and two not respecting requests to stay out.

There was a time a couple decades ago when I was offered a postdoctoral position in Canada. If I'd known what America was going to become I would have probably accepted it...but I went for more money in the US.

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

istodolez said:
I bet you still look both ways when crossing the street.

Yes when a cross a street. Here is the difference I see if I cross the street that not only is quite likely to result in being hit otherwise ( like right then), but it is also far more likely to lead to a much more likely and much quicker death as opposed to a .5 to 2% chance weeks down the line.

Desk trauma · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
Yes when a cross a street. Here is the difference I see if I cross the street that not only is quite likely to result in being hit otherwise ( like right then), but it is also far more likely to lead to a much more likely and much quicker death as opposed to a .55 to 2% chance weeks down the line.

I know, which explains why street crossing has left many more dead than this virus. Oh, wait...

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

Desk trauma said:
I know, which explains why street crossing has left many more dead than this virus. Oh, wait...

probably has just not in the same time period.

istodolez · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
Yes when a cross a street. Here is the difference I see if I cross the street that not only is quite likely to result in being hit otherwise ( like right then), but it is also far more likely to lead to a much more likely and much quicker death as opposed to a .55 to 2% chance weeks down the line.

What about the risk of you infecting others?

GoldenBoy89 · Jul 5, 2020

dogs4thewin said:
but that assumes that a lot of Americans would one be running the border and two not respecting requests to stay out.

It was more so a comment on where we’re headed as a country than any actual plan being considered en masse. People likely aren’t going to leave in droves but there will be a lot of disease and death and social and economic instability for some time to come and no one wants to deal with that if the country isn’t doing anything to slow down or stave off the collapse.

dogs4thewin · Jul 5, 2020

istodolez said:
Because America is quickly becoming a "failed state". Think about this description:

1. Strongman leader with populist tendencies who admires no one but other dictators
2. Legislature that largely rubber-stamps the strongman's desires (GOP Senators)
3. Third-world levels of income inequality
4. Rampant poverty
5. One of the most inaccessible healthcare systems in the developed world
6. World-leading rates of gun homicides and gun violence
7. Inability to deal with a virus while other DEVELOPED nations have flattened their infection rate curves
8. Riots and racial unrest

Personally if I were Canadian I would FEAR the upcoming collapse of the US. We are going to become economic refugees who are riddled with disease that have largely been controlled in the developed world.

We sound kinda scary!

As to the gun violence ( this is rally a topic for another thread but the gun violent is mostly I certain places.

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