The U S Army Will Consider Renaming Confederate Named Army Bases

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I don't see why so many people are so sensitive about words.

I wonder that every time somebody reports me for saying something unpleasant about Republicans.
 
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I'm black, and I'm not offended by military bases named after Confederate generals. Names of buildings cause virtually no harm to me. I don't see why so many people are so sensitive about words.
Because naming bases after these people indicate that the government thinks that traitors who took up arms against their to defend the right to keep human beings as property are worthy of being honored. That's really problematic.
 
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Because naming bases after these people indicate that the government thinks that traitors who took up arms against their to defend the right to keep human beings as property are worthy of being honored. That's really problematic.
Which of them didn't surrender and return to the fold, as much as they were able?
 
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Because naming bases after these people indicate that the government thinks that traitors who took up arms against their to defend the right to keep human beings as property are worthy of being honored. That's really problematic.
Not really.

Ft Gordon (soon to be renamed Ft. Eisenhower) was named after John B Gordon. He was a Confederate General, but after the Civil War he was a US Senator and afterwards a State Govenor.

We cannot pick out the worst part of a person's history.

Otherwise we would have to rename New York (named after the Duke of York who was involved in the slave trade).
 
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Renaming things helps us forget and bury the past. If we want to avoid repeating it, I am no so sure that is a good idea.

Confederate leaders fought for state's rights, their homelands and their fellow soldiers, not just slavery. Most of them fought with honor and distinction. They were Americans. If we purge the public square of such people I think we will be worse off for it. Maybe we need to forget our past in order for the great reset to forge dauntlessly forward.
 
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Renaming things helps us forget and bury the past.
On the contrary. Renaming things that should never have been named that way in the first place helps us remember the past as it truly was. We study history to remember the past; we name things for people to honor them and what they stood for.
Confederate leaders fought for state's rights, their homelands and their fellow soldiers, not just slavery.
Sure, but the cause they fought for was mostly about slavery. The founders of the Confederacy made that very clear.
Most of them fought with honor and distinction. They were Americans.
They were Americans who took up arms against the government of the United States and their fellow-citizens in the cause of keeping millions of human beings enslaved. To me, that's a funny definition of fighting honorably.
 
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Renaming things helps us forget and bury the past. If we want to avoid repeating it, I am no so sure that is a good idea.

Confederate leaders fought for state's rights, their homelands and their fellow soldiers, not just slavery. Most of them fought with honor and distinction. They were Americans. If we purge the public square of such people I think we will be worse off for it. Maybe we need to forget our past in order for the great reset to forge dauntlessly forward.
Strange thing is, most have forgotten these men.

I'm retired Army and live close to Ft. Gordon. Like most, I didn't know or care who the base was named after. I had to look it up.

It was named after a two term US Senator and Govenor of South Carolina who had, previous to that, been a Confederate.

Same with New York. Had I not looked it upI wouldn't have known the city and state was named after the Duke of York who owned and controlled much of the slave trade.

The main problem with renaming the base is I am getting old and my brain is too full of useless junk so it's difficult to fit new stuff in there (like name changes).
 
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Not really.

Ft Gordon (soon to be renamed Ft. Eisenhower) was named after John B Gordon. He was a Confederate General, but after the Civil War he was a US Senator and afterwards a State Govenor.

We cannot pick out the worst part of a person's history.

Otherwise we would have to rename New York (named after the Duke of York who was involved in the slave trade).
And the base wouldn't have been named for him except for his military service, which was exclusively as an officer in the Confederate Army.
 
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And the base wouldn't have been named for him except for his military service, which was exclusively as an officer in the Confederate Army.
No. There were many reasons (to include his military service). Regulations mandated the bases be named after somebody from the area.
Unfortunately history revisionists place Confederate soldiers as betraying the nation (they foolishly impose a postbellum understanding of the Union onto an earlier period).
 
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No. There were many reasons (to include his military service). Regulations mandated the bases be named after somebody from the area.
Unfortunately history revisionists place Confederate soldiers as betraying the nation (they foolishly impose a postbellum understanding of the Union onto an earlier period).
It's Georgia, one of the original colonies. If they needed to name tort after somebody from the area, there were plenty of Revolutionary War figures they could have picked. And even if you acknowledge that they thought they had the right to declare succession from the Union, the simple fact remains that General Gordon's entire military career was against the United States. So still a terrible person to name a base after.
 
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Truth is, there were Confederates that were anti-slavery, and Northerners that supported slavery. General Lee was the top Confederate general. He opposed slavery. There were also over 3,000 black slave owners. There were also many white slaves, some of these white slaves were owned at times by black slave owners.

The Civil War was more complicated than the single issue of slavery. It was about the right of states to succeed and start their own country, the legality of slavery being a state issue, rather than a federal one, the issue of some states being heavily taxed and this tax money going mostly to other states, and other issues.

Renaming things doesn't really do anything. Before the Europeans came here, the Natives were warring and enslaving each other. Before the Africans came here, they were warring and enslaving each other in Africa.

If we had lost the Revolutionary War, should the U.K. have renamed all our monuments and cities?
 
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It's Georgia, one of the original colonies. If they needed to name tort after somebody from the area, there were plenty of Revolutionary War figures they could have picked. And even if you acknowledge that they thought they had the right to declare succession from the Union, the simple fact remains that General Gordon's entire military career was against the United States. So still a terrible person to name a base after.
I understand the appeal of revising history by placing ideologies and worldviews within a more contemporary setting. I just believe it is wrong.

Where we see the United States as one nation, it was not always the most common view (you are dealing with a time when many believed it was literally a union of states).
 
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And the base wouldn't have been named for him except for his military service, which was exclusively as an officer in the Confederate Army.
The most appropriate name for Fort Gordon would be Fort Golf, due to the connection between Eisenhower and Augusta National Golf Club.

Anyway, with all this talk of appropriateness, we seem to have forgotten than when Lee surrendered at Appomattox and his troops surrendered their weapons, the Union soldiers gave them a salute. Or that former Confederates joined the US Army during the Spanish American War. In the heat of battle in Cuba, former Confederate officer Joseph Wheeler urged his men onward with "We've got those Yankees on the run again" (much to their amusement).

You younger folks can argue about name changes all you please; no one listens to us old folks, anyway. Yet you forget why the US Army named bases after Confederate officers in the first place: After the end of the US Civil War, we were one nation again. Those officers now despised were also Americans, and some had the respect of those they faced in battle. That their names are removed now says that the US no longer sees itself as a unified nation.
 
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From the Washington Post.

The bases, all in former Confederate states, were named with input from locals in the Jim Crow era. The Army courted their buy-in because it needed large swaths of land to build sprawling bases in the early 20th century up through World War II.

Three of the biggest bases in the United States are named after Confederate leaders, including some who were famously inept.
Fort Bragg in North Carolina, the headquarters of the Special Forces, bears the name of Gen. Braxton Bragg, a commander often assailed as one of the most bumbling commanders in the war. Bragg was relieved of command after losing the battle for Chattanooga in 1863, then served as a military adviser to Confederate President Jefferson Davis.

Fort Benning in Georgia, the home of Army infantry and airborne training, is named after Brig. Gen. Henry Benning, who led troops at Antietam and Gettysburg. In remarks in 1861 laying out slavery as the reason for secession, Benning warned that abolition would lead to “black governors, black legislatures, black juries, black everything. Is it to be supposed that the white race will stand for that?”

Fort Hood in Texas is named after John Bell Hood, who resigned his commission in the U.S. Army to fight against it. His “reckless” command hastened the fall of Atlanta, one historian wrote, and his losses at the Battle of Franklin were so disastrous that they have been called the “Pickett’s Charge of the West,” in reference to a bloody and failed assault named for Maj. Gen. George Pickett, one of Gen. Robert E. Lee’s top commanders at Gettysburg.
 
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Happen to know a unrepeatable ditty sung by Confederate troops about Hood. It was sung to the tune of The Yellow Rose of Texas, a nod to Hood being from Texas. The ditty is courtesy of Wiley Bell's The Life of Johnny Reb: The Common Soldier of the Confederacy.

That said, I wouldn't call the WP much of a source. Jefferson once remarked that the most accurate part of a newspaper is the advertisements, and things don't look like they've improved since then.
 
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Happen to know a unrepeatable ditty sung by Confederate troops about Hood. It was sung to the tune of The Yellow Rose of Texas, a nod to Hood being from Texas. The ditty is courtesy of Wiley Bell's The Life of Johnny Reb: The Common Soldier of the Confederacy.

That said, I wouldn't call the WP much of a source. Jefferson once remarked that the most accurate part of a newspaper is the advertisements, and things don't look like they've improved since then.
The only reason why Ft. Bragg was named after one of the worst Confederate generals is because he was the only general from NC.

Although there is a proposal to rename it after his cousin, a Union general, Edward Bragg.

 
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