EOB Hebrew 4:28 0ne who disregards Moses’ law dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses.
29 How much worse a punishment, do you think, will one receive who has trampled the Son of God and profaned the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified, and offended the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him who said, “Vengeance is mine, says the Lord,” “I will repay.” And also, “The Lord will judge his People.”.
31 “It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!
I am quoting the only credible literal translation by a team of native Greek speaking Greek scholars vice pone of the biased UR "literal" versions.
What does "vice pone" mean?
What makes EOB the "only credible literal translation by a team of native Greek speaking Greek scholars"? Because there are only 2 other "credible...translations by a team of native Greek speaking Greek scholars"? LOL
What makes EOB a "literal translation"?
Very deceptive obfuscation but I'm certain it impresses the pants off of all the UR-ites who read it.
However, Heb 4:28-31 says nothing about four modes of execution listed in the OT. What it does say is "death without mercy" vs."much worse punishment." Can you read and comprehend this? It does not say "stoning" vs. "much worse punishment."
"Death without mercy" vs. "much worse punishment."
Your refusal to recognize this distinction is the death, knell for your entire argument. If this is so badly distorted how can anyone believe anything you say?
All remaining irrelevant smoke screen omitted.
Here's what you've never addressed:
Godwin's law "as an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1"
Once again you presume to know what the writer of Hebrews should/should not have said in any situation.
EOB Hebrews 10 25 Instead exhort one another, and even more as you see the Day approaching. 26 But if we sin willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there is no more sacrifice for sins. 27 All that remains is a fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire which will devour the adversaries 28 One who disregards Moses’ law dies without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses. 29 How much worse a punishment, do you think, will one receive who has trampled the Son of God and profaned the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified, and offended the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “vengeance is mine, says the Lord,” “I will repay. And also, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31”It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.”
Thee is nothing said about any different means of capital punishment, which one is or is not worse than another.
True, but you are the one who has introduced such a topic. The remark has no relevance to my comments as far as disproving them is concerned.
The comparison is "die without mercy."
The implied comparison is between a punishment by stoning to death & a worse punishment postmortem.
Heb.10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses' law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Stoning to death is not a very sore or long lasting punishment. People suffered far worse deaths via the torture methods of the eternal hell believing Medieval Inquisitionists and the German Nazis under Hitler.
Therefore, if the writer of Hebrews believed that wicked, rebellious, Christ rejectors would be punished with something so monstrous as being endlessly annihilated or tormented, he would not have chosen to compare their punishment to something so lame as being stoned to death.
Clearly he did not believe Love Omnipotent is an unfeeling terminator machine or sadist who abandons forever the beings He created in His own image & likeness so easily.
All four means of capital punishment in the OT are "death without mercy." vs something worse.
There were different penalties for different crimes. There were four types of capital punishment stoning, burning, sword and hanging. But no matter how many times you post this smoke and mirrors Hebrews 10:28 is not about the various types of executions. It says "death without mercy" but there is a "sorer punishment." What is the "sorer punishment" than "death without mercy?"
Without "mercy", or "compassion (pity), i.e. deep feeling about someone's difficulty or misfortune (TDNT, 1:159)."
Strong's Greek: 3628. οἰκτιρμός (oiktirmos) -- compassion, pity
So those stoning her/him - even inclusive of a husband/wife, brother, mother, son, daughter, friend - were not to have "compassion" or "pity" (Dt.13:8) on the sinner, as per the Scriptures:
"If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which [is] as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers; [Namely], of the gods of the people which [are] round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the [one] end of the earth even unto the [other] end of the earth; Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye ***PITY*** him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him: But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage." Deut.13:6–10
BTW, did you notice the - method - of death there?
vs. 26 if we sin willfully... there is no more sacrifice for sin.
If there is no sacrifice for sin there is no forgiveness.
That verse has no relevance to what i posted & has been dubunked as an out of context alleged "proof text" against universalism here:
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Vs. 27 judgment and a fury of fire which will devour the adversaries.
Mal.3:3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness,
Who, or what, are the "adversaries"? The fallen nature of man? Sin? "Consume" what? The body? The soul? The sin, or fallen nature, or "old man" that must die before one becomes a "new creature" (or, "new creation") in Christ Jesus (2 Cor.5:17)?
Mal.3:3 He will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver; he will purify the Levites and refine them like gold and silver. Then the LORD will have men who will bring offerings in righteousness
That sounds a lot like 1 Corinthians 3:13-17:
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's
work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
Compare v.17 to
1 Cor.5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
Heb.1:2a in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all
Heb.1:3b When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high
Heb.2:2b every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty
Heb.2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put
under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by
the grace of God should taste death for every man.
14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render
powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
15 And might free those who through fear of death were subject to slavery all their lives.
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Vs. 30 "vengeance is mine saith the Lord. I will repay. It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"
Please tell me where you find UR in this passage?
It's also a dreadful thing to be stoned to death. Absolutely - nothing - compared to sadistic endless tortures though, is it?
Heb.10:28 A man that hath set at nought Moses' law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: 29 of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Stoning to death is not a very sore or long lasting punishment. People suffered far worse deaths via the torture methods of the eternal hell believing Medieval Inquisitionists and the German Nazis under Hitler.
Therefore, if the writer of Hebrews believed that wicked, rebellious, Christ rejectors would be punished with something so monstrous as being endlessly annihilated or tormented, he would not have chosen to compare their punishment to something so lame as being stoned to death.
Clearly he did not believe Love Omnipotent is an unfeeling terminator machine or sadist who abandons forever the beings He created in His own image & likeness so easily.
