LDS Mormons Take Satan's Deception From Genesis

I'm done arguing with these people. You cannot find anywhere in the Bible where it says that God used to be a man on some other planet, or that Jesus and Satan are brothers, or that we can be Gods of our own planet, or that Adam was "our Lord and God" as that nutcase BY said. Mormonism is nonsense.

Even if the Bible did allow for Mormonism, which it does not, as there are a lot of scriptures that preclude the possibility of Mormonism... But even if it did... Mormonism is still not to be believed because the Bible is our only authority. I could come up with a lot of doctrines myself that certain scriptures taken out of context might seem to allow for, but it's silly.

The Bible is our only authority and that's final.

Jamesone5 said:

This how satan has put the wool over your eyes in telling you that you can "be like God" as the OP points out. You claimed this:

God promises us if we use this godliness and overcome the corruption of the world, he will give us His divine nature.---Peter1000

But then the verse you quoted says this:
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2 Peter 1:3-4
as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue,by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Partakers of the divine nature is not the same as being given His divine nature.

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So do we partake of His divine nature temporarily, and then it is taken away? In order to "partake" it must be "given". So how long do we "partake" before God pulls it away from us?

I say if God gives us all that pertains to godliness, and in this godly state, he promises us to be partakers of his divine nature, I say it is up to us, how long God allows us to share his nature. If we continue in his ways, perhaps even through all eternities.

Is it impossible for God to give to those who have overcome the corruption of this world his divine nature and make us divine? Temember, if we overcome, we will sit in Jesus's throne with him. What do you think we will learn from him over 10 million years?

I wonder when that temple will be built in Missouri...

Sam81 said:

Yes, Paul knew. And he warned us.

"...there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed..." Galatians 1:7-8

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons," 1st Timothy 4:1

The idea that we can be as God is quite literally a doctrine of devils.

"For you (Lucifer) have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God" Isaiah 14:13

Those versus you keep quoting pertain to holiness and perfection. Only God is God. God clearly states:

“You are My witnesses,” says the Lord,
“And My servant whom I have chosen,
That you may know and believe Me,
And understand that I am He.
Before Me there was no God formed,
Nor shall there be after Me.
11I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior." Isaiah 43:10

"Do not fear, nor be afraid; Have I not told you from that time, and declared it? You are My witnesses. Is there a God besides Me? Indeed there is no other Rock; I know not one.’ ” Isaiah 44:8

Needless to say, Joseph Smith is a liar.

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(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)

5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Sam81 said:

I'm done arguing with these people. You cannot find anywhere in the Bible where it says that God used to be a man on some other planet, or that Jesus and Satan are brothers, or that we can be Gods of our own planet, or that Adam was "our Lord and God" as that nutcase BY said. Mormonism is nonsense.

Even if the Bible did allow for Mormonism, which it does not, as there are a lot of scriptures that preclude the possibility of Mormonism... But even if it did... Mormonism is still not to be believed because the Bible is our only authority. I could come up with a lot of doctrines myself that certain scriptures taken out of context might seem to allow for, but it's silly.

The Bible is our only authority and that's final.

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...And where in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the only authority?

Or was that "final authority" added upon by official decree?

Peter1000 said:

You are making a definite statement. The ONE GOD is made up of Jesus, God the Father and the Holy Spirit. OK, I get that. So your ONE GOD goes to the cross. So according to you, Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit all went to the cross in the form of the ONE GOD.

OK, I get it.

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Well, you know what---in a manner, they did! God the Father had to suffer through that whole ordeal with the Son--He felt His pain. Jesus, at the incarnation had no longer the same substance as the Father and the Holy Spirit for He became human---something the others never had been. However Jesus still retained His divinity and still does though also fully human. They are 3--they are One in purpose and in thought--different ways of working, but still one. There is only One God---Father, Son, Holy Spirit--3 functions, one goal, one God.

Sam81 said:

I wonder when that temple will be built in Missouri...

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Are you aware that there are 2 fully functional temples in Missouri now. The St Louis and Kansas City temples. A third is now in the designing stage for Missouri? It will be near Joplin Missouri area. Finish date will probably be in April of 2021.

Jamesone5 said:

I have no idea what you are asking, but I will try to answer you questions as I see them.


First, lets take the word partake----do you think it is something that is given and then we can claim it, without God as always the source?

you may be partakers of the divine nature,

It is still God's divine nature that we are partaking of---the divine nature---other wise the verse is cancelled out. You need the word "given", but then it does not say that to fit the Mormon construct.

Temember, if we overcome, we will sit in Jesus's throne with him. What do you think we will learn from him over 10 million years?------Peter1000

You will NOT learn that He ever stops being our Creator. He will NOT ever teach us how to be gods ourselves. And eternity has no limits. And I believe you are misinformed about sitting on Jesus's throne with Him.

"Be like God"--- as satan told Eve and you pick up on as to his deception.

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Lets take the word partake.
2 Peter 1:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
It is through God's own exceeding great and precious promises (which means he will give us)his divine nature. If we are partakers, it must first be given. And by exceeding great and precious promises, if we escape the corruption of this world,
God will give us his divine nature and we can partake of it for eternity.

Revelation 3:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

You tell me that after 10million years of sitting with Jesus in his throne,
being as perfect as he is,
and holy as he is,
and having overcome the world as he did,
and being a joint-heir of all that the Father has with him

In this state, could you come to a conclusion that he may eventually teach us how to create?

What do you think you will be doing as you sit with him in his throne?

Jamesone5 says:

He does not give us His Divine Nature but we share or partake of the Divine Nature as the verse says

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Then explain to me how you think we share or partake of the divine nature if God does not give it to us? How do we then share or partake?

and having overcome the world as he did, --Peter1000

So you are willing to die on a Cross in overcoming the world as He did?

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Let me tell you what Jesus said and tell me it is funny:
Revelation 3:21 King James Version (KJV)
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

I do not think I have to go to the cross to overcome the world. There may be other things that will be extremely challenging, that you and I must do in order to overcome this world. I know with Jesus's grace we can do it.

Jamesone5 said:

Uh, when you get to heaven---your body and the human senses do not follow you to that realm.

In heaven, you will see God in spirit without the constraints of human being perceptions. He is invisible now but when we get to heaven we will see Him


1 John 3:2
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

What do you think living in or through Faith entails?

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

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Only resurrected bodies go to heaven, but when we die our spirit returns to God.

Jamesone5 said:

And that is why the Mormon AofF says "we hope to be able endure to the End"?

Follow one aspect or the other. Endure to the End or we hope to be able to endure to the End
Bible truth verse Mormon Aof F.

And do you think God's Divine Nature He will give to you free and clear?
You can partake of it [like the verse says] not supposedly claim it as your own.

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"We hope" = "expression of a net end goal in optimistic terminology".

Remember that the Articles of Faith were originally intended as a series of bullet point statements meant for publication in a newspaper.

Jamesone5 said:

So God is not in heaven?


This is what you said

Resurrected bodies----heaven

spirits--- only return to God, wherever He is.

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God can go wherever He wants to go.

Jamesone5 said:

That is true but where do we go?

According to you we will be with God is only our resurrected body, while our spirit goes to heaven, which should be where we want to go.

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When the spirit returns to God, why do you believe that it is in heaven? The scripture says this:

(Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:7)

7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

No mention of heaven there.