All Scripture Is Towrah

Ivan Hlavanda · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
The Law required those who testified as witnesses to cast the first stone.

What makes me laugh is how the Pharisees twisted the law. The Mosaic law clearly stated that both the man and the woman who committed adultery were both meant to be stoned, so where was the man? Wouldn't surprise me if he was in the crowd. As you rightly pointed out the Pharisees as we know it didn't care about the adultery they were setting a trap for Jesus, testing His commitment. If Jesus said stone her He was against the Roman Empire because the Jews under Roman Empire were not allowed to pass such judgement, only the Pilate could judge such behaviour, thus if Jesus said stone her the pharisees would snitch to Romans, but if Jesus said not to stone her that would mean He is against the Jews thus against the God. Of course Jesus knew better.

Mr. M · May 7, 2020

HARK! said:
Again, fake is fake. I won't try to justify the lies. The person who wrote that forgery should be stoned to death under the Torah.

Yahshua came to magnify the law. He didn't come to abolish it. His own words tell us the latter.

I won't support false doctrine.

This OP will now no longer deal with the issue of John 8 including the narrative of the adulteress. Please move on or be moderated.

HARK! · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Again, your opinion and a wikipedia article doesn't make anything fake

Fake makes it fake. Scholarship and science expose its' fakeness. The WIKI article attests to the scholars and the science.

You're entitled to your own personal opinion; but not your own personal facts.

HARK! · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
This OP will now no longer deal with the issue of John 8 including the narrative of the adulteress. Please move on or be moderated.

I won't mention it any more if you don't.

Shalom.

Mr. M · May 7, 2020

HARK! said:
the scholars and the science.

Scholars and Science....sounds inspired. Thanks for sharing, now move on.

Mr. M · May 7, 2020

HARK! said:
I won't mention it any more if you don't.

Shalom.

Amen. My original post might be a good place to start, if anyone is even interested in the intent.

HARK! · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Scholars and Science....sounds inspired.

Could you imagine having a job where you sat down and studied the Bible, maybe just a portion of of it, all day, everyday, in depth to the minutia, throughout your career? That does sound truly inspirational to me.

HARK! · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Amen. My original post might be a good place to start, if anyone is even interested in the intent.

I'm interested. That's what got me to reading through this thread. The OP seemed so natural to me; that I didn't even know how to respond. It's like someone saying , "you know; the sky is overhead." How does one respond to that? If you hadn't noticed; I've responded to those who detract from the message of the OP.

Broken Fence · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
“Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire?
Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings?”

What do you think?

Well from my understanding you can fall on The Chief Cornerstone and be broken, or The Chief Cornerstone will fall on you, and grind you to powder. Our God is a consuming fire, I pray I am consumed in His fire (The Holy Spirit) today.

pescador · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
This OP will now no longer deal with the issue of John 8 including the narrative of the adulteress. Please move on or be moderated.

In case you don't realize it there is significant evidence that this story is not in the earliest manuscripts.

xxkingskidlmxx · May 7, 2020

but it is in the old testament that both were stabbed through when balaam did his dirty deed

Mr. M · May 7, 2020

HARK! said:
Could you imagine having a job where you sat down and studied the Bible, maybe just a portion of of it, all day, everyday, in depth to the minutia, throughout your career? That does sound truly inspirational to me.

inspired=/=inspirational.
inspired =God breathed. Filled with the Holy Spirit. Spirit led.
Without the Holy Spirit, it is just, as you say, a job. Regardless of how inspirational you find it.
I have spent countless hours studying the Bible, just a portion, or a word study, down to the minutia.
It just wasn't my career. I have never received a penny, be it a salary at a University or seminary, or teaching at a Rescue Mission or Recovery Program. I surely haven't built a reputation as a scholar.
Sounds like a dream job I guess, until the Lord elects you to do something menial.
Then you get to choose, or obey.
A group of 3rd year seminary students showed up for a volunteer orientation at our Rescue Mission once, and they were all asked to sign in and state what they would be willing to do in service. Top answer: preach, #2-Teach. LOL. One guy, ONE said "whatever you need me to do". It made me cry.
Best wishes with your imaginary, inspirational career.

Mr. M · May 7, 2020

xxkingskidlmxx said:
but it is in the old testament that both were stabbed through when balaam did his dirty deed

Again, an instruction in righteousness pertaining to God's judgment on sin.
We should not feel authorized to "run anyone through". LOL.
Phineas was zealous for the holiness of God among the congregation.
We live scattered among the nations as strangers and sojourners.
"Be holy, as your Father in heaven is holy". Leave the judgment to the Son when He returns.

xxkingskidlmxx · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
Again, an instruction in righteousness pertaining to God's judgment on sin.
We should not feel authorized to "run anyone through". LOL.
Phineas was zealous for the holiness of God among the congregation.
We live scattered among the nations as strangers and sojourners.
"Be holy, as your Father in heaven is holy". Leave the judgment to the Son when He returns.

iirc he was trying to lessen the punishment prescribed by God

Broken Fence · May 7, 2020

HARK! said:
Fake story:

Jesus and the woman taken in adultery - Wikipedia

I believe the "Textus Receptus" or received text is the complete inspired word for the English tongue. I reject the Vatican scrolls. I choose the Byzantine texts.

Mr. M · May 7, 2020

HARK! said:
I'm interested. That's what got me to reading through this thread. The OP seemed so natural to me; that I didn't even know how to respond. It's like someone saying , "you know; the sky is overhead." How does one respond to that? If you hadn't noticed; I've responded to those who detract from the message of the OP.

I hear you. Tried to make clear that regardless of the narrative,
all that is written is applicable for instruction.
towrah from yarah=teaching, instruction.
I have followed many of the debates on this "controversial" thread, and much of the argument comes from talking about Law. The various expressions thereof including commandments, precepts, testimonies, etc...all come under the umbrella of towrah, which means instructions. Law fails to express that in translation. Paul makes this perfectly clear with 2 Timothy 3:16. "instruction in righteousness". All scripture. You can make this comment about "the sky is overhead" but you rarely point to it.
To be clear, what I post on "controversial" it is to diffuse controversy, not inflame it. The endless debate that goes on here is "the striving about matters of the Law" that Paul warned against. Yeah, I know about "contending for the faith". I also know "let all things be done for edification".

Broken Fence · May 7, 2020

HARK! said:
The point is that Yahshua isn't going to tell us something that contradicts YHWH. If he did; then he wasn't who he claimed to be.

The heart of the law: I will have mercy not sacrifice. He did not contradict, but fulfilled the law.

Broken Fence · May 7, 2020

dqhall said:
Archaeologists found the Book of Joshua is historical fiction.

Nope I disagree, I believe my KJV over any other English Bible. The complete Byzantine Text.

HARK! · May 7, 2020

Minister Monardo said:
You can make this comment about "the sky is overhead" but you rarely point to it.

Interesting. I point to it continually; and when I do, it would seem that you start waving your arms in distraction.

Minister Monardo said:
The endless debate that goes on here is "the striving about matters of the Law" that Paul warned against.

Why is that even when I agree with you; it turns into a debate?

Broken Fence · May 7, 2020

Ivan Hlavanda said:
if the Mosaic law have not been changed, it would be still sinful to work on Sabbath. In one of the books of Moses there is a man who picks up wooden sticks on Sabbath, he is killed. However Jesus allows His 12 disciples to eat on Saturday, He also tells the lame to grab his bed and to walk on Sabbath which is in direct contradiction to this commandment. If the Mosaic law has not been changed, Jesus would not be able to sacrifice Himself on the cross because He is not from a tribe of Levi, only this tribe is allowed to bring sacrifices.

So the Mosaic law had to be changed but not the essence of the law, the essence of the law still remains. For why else would Jesus say in Matthew 5:38-39 38 You have heard it was said'eye for an eye, and tooth for a tooth.' 39But I tell you not to resist an evil person. If someone slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also;…

As New Testament Christians in the New Covenant, The Mosaic Law of the Old Testament was written for the chosen people of Israel. Israel was chosen for a purpose—Genesis 12:1-3. They were God’s instruments to accomplish a plan of rescue for the world: God becoming man as a member of the Jewish race and dying on the cross for man’s crimes against God. They were not chosen to be saved, rather they were chosen to be used to accomplish God’s plan of salvation. Many of those Jews took advantage of the mercy offered through that plan, and many went wayward. Israel’s being chosen did not secure their salvation. It secured a salvation plan for the world, and whether they individually participated in it or not was another question.

Christians are the chosen in the sense that those who are in Christ, putting their trust in Him, are the ones that benefited from that plan of salvation God was working out through Israel. We put our confidence in Him, so we are chosen regarding salvation.

God is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever because He is God. God doesn’t change, but that does not mean the way He deals with mankind doesn’t change. God dealt with Adam and Eve in one way, and He dealt with the Jews through Abraham with a different plan. He deals with Christians now through a new plan, a new covenant.

You fail to understand the term, whatever is not done by faith is sin.

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