Jesus didn't take away our sin, only our punishment

Jamdoc said:

Yeah, I do, and I can feel conviction from the Holy Spirit and revelation of things as well. I also feel the distance that sin can put between you and hearing the holy spirit and how if you continue to sin the Holy spirit's convictions become more easily overruled and it becomes easier and easier to sin, until you reach a point where you stop asking for forgiveness, you stop praying, or when you do pray it's a hopeless groveling of "are you even there? are you listening?". The Holy spirit is there but he has been almost crowded out by all the junk you fill your life and thoughts with.
But then something happens and you want to recommit yourself, and you get filled again, you get conviction loud and clear again, you stop enjoying sin again, you start resisting temptation better, you pray more you thirst for the bible more. There is one indwelling but MANY fillings.
But you are not perfect, even with the Holy spirit saying "No no no" your flesh says "yes yes yes" and you can stumble. Then you feel remorse, then you want to repent, then you want to beg for forgiveness for your sin, and He does. 1 John 1:9. You feel the weight of your sin come away from you, with resolve to do better in the future.
You improve, you make progress in conforming to the image of Christ, but I do not think anyone will get there this side of death.
Otherwise, Jesus never would have had to have died. God could have just put his holy spirit out and guided people to follow His law to the letter, and devote their entire lives to Him perfectly without any sins of commission or sins of omission
Jesus died so that your sins can be forgiven (covered up by His substitution, or as the bible pictures it many times, describing it as a garment or robe, that covers up your sin) because God understands how weak the flesh is. As we have discussed before, God felt weakness as a human while He was Jesus and prayed to not go to the cross. Multiple times he prayed not to go to the cross, before He steeled his resolve and His spirit overcame the desires of the flesh to live and not be put through the punishment He would endure.

You have to understand the extent of God's forgiveness.
Matthew 18:21-22
If God expects us to forgive our neighbor for transgressions against us at least 70 times 7 times, don't you think His own patience and capacity to forgive are even greater than His own standard?

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mtatertayte said:

What punishment did Jesus remove from you?

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Lost4words said:

1 John 1:8
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

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Lost4words said:

It is impossible for us to be pure like Jesus

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Lost4words said:

We sin. We ask for forgiveness. Jesus forgives.

Because we are weak and flesh, it is only a matter of time before we sin again! Even the tiniest thing can be considered a sin.

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Jamdoc said:

The parable of the guest without a wedding garment in Matthew 22
The saints after the 5th seal is broken in Revelation, Revelation 6:11 the white robes represent their salvation, their purity before God. White garments were always used as an illustration of that, and using clothes as an illustration of covering sin with a sacrifice has been used since the first sin where Adam and Eve tried to cover their nakedness (which represented their sin) with clothes, first based on plants, but God rejected that and slew animals and clothed them in their skins instead. It doesn't seem like much at first but it is revisted in the old testament afterwards as you seem to gather but I'm wondering if you've noticed this.
In Genesis in the story of Cain and Abel, both brothers made offerings to God, Cain from plants that he grew, as a farmer, Abel from animal sacrifices, as he was a shepherd. God was pleased with Abel, not pleased with Cain.
Later in Leviticus we learn all about sin offerings, which were animal sacrifices, which of course are an illustration pointing towards Jesus on Calvalry. But the idea is that sin causes death. If not your death, then a substitute for you, in the old testament, that death was of a prize animal, without blemish (representing Jesus living without sin). It was a reminder that sin cost you something valuable, sin caused death, and that only life atones for sin. That is the reason Jesus had to die. Because God demands death as the cost of sin. Jesus didn't die to give you the Holy Spirit, God inspired Old Testament authors through the Holy Spirit, Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit. The Holy spirit was not bestowed on Jesus' death, it was bestowed BY Jesus as a gift after his RESURRECTION. The Holy Spirit is not a symbol of death, the Holy Spirit is a symbol of LIFE. SIN is a symbol of death, and Jesus had to die for your SIN, and my SIN, to robe us in white, to give us a wedding garment, because our own righteousness is filthy rags not suitable for the wedding supper of the Lamb who was slain and raised in glory!
Why do we have the Holy Spirit? It is not our salvation. Jesus' death is that salvation, but when you accept that gift, you are granted the Holy Spirit as a COMFORTER, a guide, a reassurance that you HAVE salvation, a counsel against sin, a bolstering of conscience.

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mtatertayte said:

How so even the condemned have eternal life.

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