Don't need the baptism of the Holy Spirit? exception

Thomas White

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Without baptism by water in the name of Jesus Christ, there is no remission of sin in the NT. (Acts 2:38)
There is no crucifixion of the flesh with the affections and lusts. (Gal 5:24)
There is no being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Rom 6:5-6)
There is no death of the old man/creature so no rebirth of a new creature. (Rom 6:4-5)
There is no circumcision done without hand "in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:" (Col 2:11-12)
And there is no freedom from sin. (Rom 6:7)

You are literally contradicting what you just said.
 
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There's a doctrine of baptismS,..." (Heb 6:2) There's 3 baptisms; specifically:

1 - By The Holy Spirit into Jesus is the baptism for salvation (blood baptism)
(Rev 1:5; Matt 26:28; Mark 1:4, 16:16; Luk 3:3; Acts 2:38: Gal 3:27, +++)
Also, "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that Holy Spirit of promise," Eph 1:13 Baptizied/immersed into Christ's body (I Cor 12:13)

Water and Spirit baptism follows - not in a set order or time criteria:
2 - By another believer (water baptism) (Matt 28:19++++!)
3 - By Jesus with or into The Holy Spirit (The Spirit baptism)
(Matt 3:11; Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16; Acts 11:16++++)' For power and boldness Acts 1 and 4

"And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." I John 5:7-8
Sorry, I didn't understand this post completely. You wrote 3 baptism: 1) by the Holy Spirit into Jesus is the baptism for 'salvation' (blood baptism).
2) Water baptism (being immersed in water) [in which I heard you receive the Holy Spirit after 'baptism' in water] Not sure what you mean by 'another' believer' as the believer is supposed to be you, right?
3) by Jesus with or into the Holy Spirit (The Spirit baptism). I don't understand this as the third baptism bc aren't you baptised into 'water' with Jesus and after that being given the Holy Spirit? I don't even recall reading that there are three baptisms when I have read the whole bible once unless I missed it. Thank you for your response to this and for trying to ensure that I know about something that I probably don't know about.

the lord's pearl, wondering if you had a chance to look at those Scriptures in post 14?

They help us realize that there are 3 baptisms and what happens with each one. The doctrine of baptisms is considered foundational according to Heb 6:1-2

Blood baptism is when we become believers. So the baptism in Mark 16:16 is done when we become believers. "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
 
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