Wuhan coronavirus (global health emergency)

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Yeah, I thought it was interesting that originally it was to land at Ontario (Calif.) airport, but I think people got antsy, so it went to March AFB.
Easier to set up a quarantine. Animals are giving high fives (numbers may vary) saying welcome to our world.
 
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No one will take an epidemic seriously as they all have something more important to do than stay at home and live. WWI ended early because the troops were too sick to fight with their flu. Of course they all brought it home infecting the entire world and millions died.
 
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No one will take an epidemic seriously as they all have something more important to do than stay at home and live. WWI ended early because the troops were too sick to fight with their flu. Of course they all brought it home infecting the entire world and millions died.
For the next couple of weeks, I'm only leaving my home to shop for groceries. I'm lucky enough to be self-employed and work at home, so.. I'm not actually changing a lot.
 
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out of masks but they will be getting more in
The thing about masks is they aren't much use with viruses unless you are the infected one and it stops the spray. A virus will enter any open point into the body from cuts to private parts and most commonly the eye. Isolation or immunity is the only reasonably guaranteed safe bet. And this could last not only until spring but again through next winter.

Sorry, but those are the realities of the situation, so unless governments start taking things seriously and taking old fashioned ways of counteracting it instead of worrying about the economy, there will be repercussions.
 
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For the next couple of weeks, I'm only leaving my home to shop for groceries. I'm lucky enough to be self-employed and work at home, so.. I'm not actually changing a lot.
Me too. Home office. Corona-free zone is the plan, although I will do nothing different.
 
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Me too. Home office. Corona-free zone is the plan, although I will do nothing different.
I'm still more afraid of the flu, but the procedure is the same.

And I'm not afraid of dying, but I really don't have the time for another two weeks of sickness.
 
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Basically, this seems to have the same warhead that SARS (also a coronavirus from 2003) had (maybe a little worse, but not too much). Unfortunately, this incarnation is very contagious and people can spread it even when they are not showing symptoms. But here's the kicker:

(study of 41 cases)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

(study of 99 cases)
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30211-7/fulltext

It's not the Black Death - it's 50 Shades of Grey.

Let me explain. Overall, SARS did about 8000 infections and 800 kills, about 10%.
And, it seems, this has the same or a similar warhead.
Doesn't sound too, too terrible, right?
Well, it depends on your age.

Because with these coronaviruses, that 10% is not distributed evenly, or, rather it IS distributed evenly, from a certain point moving forward. It starts roughly at age 25.

This is great news if you are 25 or less, you'll basically get a mild cold, maybe feel a little bad, but it really won't kill you, probably won't even get you hospitalized. And you'll infect more people until it's out of your system; you'll basically be a Typhoid Mary for a little while.

If you are above 25 though, there's a problem. Most of the time, you'll still just be a carrier - but with SARS (and I guess this coronavirus too since it seems to be following the same distribution) there was some kind of reaction of the immune system to the virus that actually did the damage and took you out. And (I guess) immune systems get crankier and crankier the older people get. So, while the OVERALL fatality risk across a population is 10%, your PERSONAL fatality risk is (roughly):

Your age in years - 25.

This makes a BIG difference, especially for someone like me, 48 yrs old - suddenly there is something circulating AT LEAST as contagious as Spanish Influenza, possibly even invisibly showing no symptoms, younger people carrying it and not feeling that bad...

...and it has about a 25% of killing me if I get it.

Just like this guy, infectious disease expert, in 2003. He was 46, a couple years younger than me.

Carlo Urbani - Wikipedia

So it really is 50 Shades of Grey.

And the older you are, the darker your shade will be.

It's funny, I hear people saying 'well gee the US flu is really off to a banner start this year'
... are they SURE all those flu deaths are normal flu? Most of them probably are... I'm not so sure that ALL of them are.

This, if it circulates globally for a sustained year, and I don't see good reason it can't, will make some MAJOR societal changes in the age demographics of the planet. Whatever problem you *thought* you had with the BabyBoomers is gone - 1/2 of them won't make it.
People like me in the 45-55 range, 1/4 gone.
35-45, 1/5 gone.

Politically, do you think we would have an election if this was occurring? Everyone marching in to cast ballots? Do you think we'd have a president? Most politicians, presidents and candidates are old. This virus doesn't care about what side of the aisle you are on. I will absolutely laugh at anyone stupid enough to hold or attend a campaign rally in the middle of this later in the year. I'm sure there will be someone.

Most of your politicians and military commanders, I would note (and not just in our country, but in ALL countries) are on the wrong side of the age scale and very vulnerable to this. Interestingly, most of the actual military soldiers? Young. Under 25, I imagine. But they will lose a lot of their experienced chain of command. In fact, they are probably the ones that will infect them.

Not sure what the result of this will be if I am correct, or if we will get to this point. But this is truly an interesting one. This has the potential to be a societal game changer.

For the reasons stated above, once I realized what was happening and the level of personal threat to me (which I had underestimated), I stocked food supplies and N-95 masks 3 days ago. I'll keep doing this and making other preparations until I see the threat decreasing rather than increasing. I don't think it's in my area yet, but I'm going to start acting like it might be and avoid mass transport like subways, fast food drive throughs or similar, start tightening things down, basically remove a few potentially dangerous behaviours from my lifestyle every day because it likely will be here soon if it's not already, and it's not going to announce itself for a couple of weeks with symptoms until it has already circulated. If the situation doesn't improve I plan to begin telecommuting to work this month and slowly increase other measures and preparations.

Good luck everyone

 
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Jup, looks like nature had a solution for the demographic problem all along.

You know what I love?

She gets to live.

And if I had to choose between her bravery and the greed of the people she lambasted, I think that's kind of beautiful.


"change is coming," she said. And I guess Mother Nature or someone else came down strongly on her side. I don't know that this will solve the problems she was talking about. But she does get to live, and I'm glad about that. Interestingly enough though, do know what the carbon emissions from cars on the road in Wuhan city are right now?

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A typical flu mortality rate is 0.1%; this year's so far is 0.05%. Coronavirus is around 3% at the moment. Seasonal flu R0 rates are around 1.3. Coronavirus seems to be between 2-3.

So far this flu season, 15,000,000 people have the seasonal flu with 8,200 deaths. With a 3% mortality rate, if 15 million people had coronavirus, the death toll would be around 450,000 based on current stats. It is potentially a much bigger problem than seasonal flu. Hopefully health org's around the world are successful in it's containment and possible cures.

Modeling influenza epidemics and pandemics: insights into the future of swine flu (H1N1). - PubMed - NCBI

The Deceptively Simple Number Sparking Coronavirus Fears
Coronavirus mortality rate - 2 to 3%
Flu mortality rate per CDC for week ending January 25 - 6.7%

GET YOUR FLU SHOT!
 
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Coronavirus mortality rate - 2 to 3%
Flu mortality rate per CDC for week ending January 25 - 6.7%
GET YOUR FLU SHOT!

I don't disagree with getting your flu shot.
I do agree that you can find many sources posting coronavirus motality rate at 2-3%. I don't agree with them for reasons I have posted previously.

This part: "Flu mortality rate per CDC for week ending January 25 - 6.7%"
may have been a misunderstanding on your part. Let's clear that up, misunderstandings are among the most communicable diseases out there.

Here's the actual CDC report for influenza for the week ending January 25

Weekly U.S. Influenza Surveillance Report (FluView)

Nationwide during week 4, 5.7% of patient visits reported through the U.S. Outpatient Influenza-like Illness Surveillance Network (ILINet) were due to influenza-like illness (ILI). This percentage is above the national baseline of 2.4%.
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Pneumonia and Influenza (P&I) Mortality Surveillance
Based on National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) mortality surveillance data available on January 30, 2020, 6.7% of the deaths occurring during the week ending January 18, 2020 (week 3) were due to P&I. This percentage is below the epidemic threshold of 7.2% for week 3.

I believe what this is saying is that 5.7% of all patient visits to doctors and hospitals were due to flu like symptoms and illnesses and 94.3% were not . Following that, (P&I) Mortality Surveillance is saying that 6.7% of all deaths in the nation last week were related to pnuemonia and/or influenza whereas 93.3% were not; this is not out of normal bounds. Pneumonia and influenza are often termed 'the old man's friend' as they often result in fatality for the weak and elderly. If the sum of both of those (Pneumonia and Influenza) accounted for more than 7.2% of ALL the deaths in the nation from ALL causes for the week, then the government would consider an epidemic to be occurring.

There's a nice little graph that shows the line that gets crossed for epidemic declaration.
Don't worry, I expect we'll be there soon.
 
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A typical flu mortality rate is 0.1%; this year's so far is 0.05%. Coronavirus is around 3% at the moment. Seasonal flu R0 rates are around 1.3. Coronavirus seems to be between 2-3.

One of the troublesome stats is that the recovery rate isn't really that much higher than the death rate at the moment.

GET YOUR FLU SHOT!

I get mine every year. I also don't think this is comparable to the seasonal flu. It's looks more comparable to something between SARS and Spanish Flu.
 
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husband's friend in Hong Kong asked us to send masks
he IS staying home in Hong Kong

husband been to several stores & out of masks but they will be getting more in
My daughter, son-in-law and two grandchildren live in Hong Kong and report the same non-availability of masks. They are taking a more sanguine approach to the situation, choosing to benefit from the reduced crowds in restaurants and places of entertainment.
 
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