How many times can one be regenerated?

How many times can one be regenerated?

  • As many of times until I feel His presence everyday

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Here’s one just for you, and guess what, all the verse in the Bible about salvation are the same.

You just haven’t figured that out yet, you think that one verse teaches one thing and another verse teaches a different truth about salvation.


You just post verses that seem to fit your doctrine.



And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9


  • He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him


You can ignore this truth and try to present other scriptures that you think somehow, make this scripture null and void.

You can twist and contort all the scriptures you want.

You can call me names.

You can say I’m deceived.


NONE OF THOSE THINGS WILL CHANGE THE TRUTH.




He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4





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I agree with the above,,,but really, most of the verses by @FreeGrace2 speak about believing in Jesus.

To believe means to obey...
The word OBEY is inherent in the word BELIEVE.

If someone does not understand this,,,he will not understand many verses.

When verse and their meanings are ignored, this is eisegesis.....bringing one's own beliefs to a verse.

When a verse is read and understood as it was written, including what words meant in the time of Jesus and that culture...this is eisegesis...retrieving from that verse what one can believe.
 
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No.
Explain it to me.
I thought not. So, thanks for the opportunity.

Many people think that salvation is a reward. They would be wrong.

A reward, by definition, is something EARNED.

Reward:
something given in exchange for good behaviour or good work, etc.:
There's a reward for whoever finishes first.
The rewards of motherhood outweigh the anguish.

source: REWARD | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

This is how the Bible defines a reward:

1 Cor 3:14 - If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.

Col 3:23,24
23 Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.

No one is saved by works. Salvation is by GRACE (no works) through faith, and not of yourselves. And definitely not by works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8,9

Your paycheck is a reward for what you DO for someone else.

People who find and return lost items get a reward because of what they DID.

Faith or believing is NOT a work in the biblical sense, as noted by Paul.

Rom 4:4,5
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Salvation is a gift.

Did you earn your Christmas presents?
Did you earn your birthday presents?
 
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You can twist and contort all the scriptures you want.
This is called "projection". Guilty of what you charge others.

You can call me names.
I could, but I haven't. Ever.

You can say I’m deceived.
That would be the truth.

NONE OF THOSE THINGS WILL CHANGE THE TRUTH.
The truth is found in the Bible. Not in your own personal opinions.

He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4
How true. There are believers who are ignorant liars.
 
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Eternal life is the reward for overcoming.
No. Eternal life is a gift, according to Paul. Did you earn your Christmas presents?

Did you earn your birthday presents?

Christians who are liars will have their part in the lake of fire.
I'll bet you're about to claim that you've never lied, huh. ;)
 
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I thought not. So, thanks for the opportunity.

Many people think that salvation is a reward. They would be wrong.

A reward, by definition, is something EARNED.

Reward:
something given in exchange for good behaviour or good work, etc.:
There's a reward for whoever finishes first.
The rewards of motherhood outweigh the anguish.

source: REWARD | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

This is how the Bible defines a reward:

1 Cor 3:14 - If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.

Col 3:23,24
23 Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ.

No one is saved by works. Salvation is by GRACE (no works) through faith, and not of yourselves. And definitely not by works, lest anyone should boast. Eph 2:8,9

Your paycheck is a reward for what you DO for someone else.

People who find and return lost items get a reward because of what they DID.

Faith or believing is NOT a work in the biblical sense, as noted by Paul.

Rom 4:4,5
4 Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation.
5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Salvation is a gift.

Did you earn your Christmas presents?
Did you earn your birthday presents?
I didn't earn my present...they were given to me by persons I have a relationship with...like I have a relationship with God.

When Paul was teaching in Romans 4:4-5 and explaining how those that work are obliged to get a wage, he was speaking about the law in the O.T.
The people in the O.T. labored under the Law,,,but Paul was trying to say that this is not how we are saved.

Even in the O.T. times, persons were saved by their faith...just like we are today. Nothing we do could earn us salvation...God wants nothing from us but our heart and our love.

So, yes, we are saved by His grace through Faith, as you've pointed out in Ephesians 2:8-9.

But what does Ephesians 2:10 mean?
10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

I think it means that God had planned from the beginning that we are to do good to others and show our love for God. Jesus tried to teach us how we are to love each other. He said that through our love would the world know that we are His disciples.
John 13:35

I believe doing good for others includes good deeds. If I help my neighbor I certainly am doing a good deed.

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OK, now prove your claim from a Greek lexicon.
You want me to prove that the word believe includes obedience?

If you believe in someone, do you not obey them?
If you have a manager, for instance, that you do not have faith in and do not believe in and do not trust,,,you will doubt what he orders you to do.

But if you have a manager that you believe in, trust and have faith in,,,you will do as he asks and have faith that the work will turn out good.

The Greek language does understand this.
Pistis means to believe.
Apisteo means to not believe...
and it means to disobey.

Result 3- Disbelieve
1 Pet 2:7, "be disobedient"); "disbelieve" (or "disbelieved") in the RV, in Mark 16:11,16; Luke 24:11,41; Acts 28:24; "disbelieve" is the best rendering, implying that the unbeliever has had a full opportunity of believing and has rejected it; some mss. have apeitheo, "to be disobedient," in 1 Pet 2:7; Rom 3:3, RV, "were without faith;" 2 Tim 2:13, RV, "are faithless. Cp. apeitheo under DISOBEDIENT.

source: Define BELIEVE | Definition for word BELIEVE Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary BELIEVE



Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
disbelieve
From apistos; to be unbelieving, i.e. (transitively) disbelieve, or (by implication) disobey -- believe not.


source: Strong's Greek: 569. ἀπιστέω (apisteó) -- to disbelieve, be faithless


If one believes he also obeys.
If one does not believe he also does not obey (and why would he?)
 
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To believe means to obey...
The word OBEY is inherent in the word BELIEVE.


So true.

Believing without obeying, is demonic believing.


You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19



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So true.

Believing without obeying, is demonic believing.


You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19



JLB
The N.T. is very clear about obeying...
John 3:36 is very clear to me...
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
 
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OK, now prove your claim from a Greek lexicon.


Why do you desire man’s commentary?


Because your doctrine is the doctrine from man, and not from the scriptures.

Believe is actually used interchangeably with the word obey, just as unbelief is used interchangeably with the word disobedience in the Bible.


He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NKJV


“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 3:35 NASB



Again


Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
Hebrews 4:6 NKJV



Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hebrews 4:6 KJV


The we have the scripture that says -


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9


The light of truth has once again exposed your darkened theology of deception. All you can do is deny the truth. That’s your theology.
Teaching the lie.





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The N.T. is very clear about obeying...
John 3:36 is very clear to me...
36“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”


Amen. It’s clear to all who have eyes too see.
 
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I said:
"I thought not. So, thanks for the opportunity.

Many people think that salvation is a reward. They would be wrong.

A reward, by definition, is something EARNED.

Reward:
something given in exchange for good behaviour or good work, etc.:
There's a reward for whoever finishes first.
The rewards of motherhood outweigh the anguish.

source: REWARD | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

This is how the Bible defines a reward:

1 Cor 3:14 - If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward.

Col 3:23,24
23 Whatever you do, work heartily, as for the Lord and not for men, 24 knowing that from the Lord you will receive the inheritance as your reward. You are serving the Lord Christ."
I didn't earn my present...they were given to me by persons I have a relationship with...like I have a relationship with God.
OK, good, so far. You didn't EARN your presents. Who gives presents isn't the point here. So, please focus on the point. Gifts are NOT earned. That's the point.

otoh, rewards ARE earned. And that's the point.

When Paul was teaching in Romans 4:4-5 and explaining how those that work are obliged to get a wage, he was speaking about the law in the O.T.
He was speaking about works in general. When he referred to the Mosaic Law, he actually SAID "the Law".

The people in the O.T. labored under the Law,,,but Paul was trying to say that this is not how we are saved.
Right. Salvation is a gift, NOT a reward, which is EARNED.

Even in the O.T. times, persons were saved by their faith...just like we are today. Nothing we do could earn us salvation...God wants nothing from us but our heart and our love.
Well, that's the point.

However, you said this:
"To believe means to obey...
The word OBEY is inherent in the word BELIEVE."

Since your claim isn't further defined, the word "obey" is as wide as the ocean, and would lead people to think that they have to EARN their salvation by obedience.

Only when obedience is linked to the gospel specifically is "obey" equated with 'believe'. But there is no inherent meaning of 'obey' in 'believe'. Zero.

So, yes, we are saved by His grace through Faith, as you've pointed out in Ephesians 2:8-9.
OK, right.

But what does Ephesians 2:10 mean?
10For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

I think it means that God had planned from the beginning that we are to do good to others and show our love for God. Jesus tried to teach us how we are to love each other. He said that through our love would the world know that we are His disciples.
John 13:35
This is correct. Believers are born again (regenerated) in order to do good works.

But these "good works" have nothing to do with getting saved. Unfortunately, many people think they are.

I believe doing good for others includes good deeds. If I help my neighbor I certainly am doing a good deed.
Of course. But none of that results in or participates in getting saved. If done in the power of the Holy Spirit, you will have earned a reward.

But, what IF, otoh, you do good for others, help others, etc, in the power of your own will. What does that get you?
 
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I said:
"OK, now prove your claim from a Greek lexicon."
You want me to prove that the word believe includes obedience?
You bet I do.

If you believe in someone, do you not obey them?
Did Peter believe in Jesus as the Messiah when he denied Him 3 times?

Did King David believe in the Messiah when he raped and murdered?

If you have a manager, for instance, that you do not have faith in and do not believe in and do not trust,,,you will doubt what he orders you to do.
Doubting and failing to obey the boss aren't even close to being the same.

If you have a boss that orders you to do things that you don't think will benefit the company, do you really think you have the right to disobey your boss????????????

But if you have a manager that you believe in, trust and have faith in,,,you will do as he asks and have faith that the work will turn out good.
Let me be clear. As long as you are under any boss/manager/etc, you'd BETTER follow orders or expect to be FIRED. But this "example" has nothing to do with salvation.

The Greek language does understand this.
Pistis means to believe.
Apisteo means to not believe...
and it means to disobey.
Actually it means "to disbelieve".

From biblehub.com -
Cognate: 544 apeithéō – literally, refuse to be persuaded (by the Lord). See 543 (apeitheia).

Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 544: ἀπειθέω

ἀπειθέω, ἀπειθῶ; imperfect ἠπείθουν; 1 aorist ἠπείθησα; "to be ἀπειθής (which see); not to allow oneself to be persuaded; not to comply with;
a. to refuse or withhold belief (in Christ, in the gospel; opposed to πιστεύω): τῷ υἱῷ, John 3:36; τῷ λόγῳ, 1 Peter 2:8; 1 Peter 3:1; absolutely of those who reject the gospel, (R. V. to be disobedient; cf. b.): Acts 14:2; Acts 17:5 (Rec.); ; Romans 15:31; 1 Peter 2:7 (T Tr WH ἀπιστοῦσιν).

b. to refuse belief and obedience: with the dative of thing or of person, Romans 2:8 (τῇ ἀλήθεια); f (τῷ θεῷ); 1 Peter 4:17; absolutely, Romans 10:21(Isaiah 65:2); Hebrews 3:18; Hebrews 11:31; 1 Peter 3:20. (In the Sept. a common equivalent to מָרָה, סָרַר; in Greek writings often from Aeschylus Ag. 1049 down; in Homer et al. ἀπίθειν.)

Result 3- Disbelieve
1 Pet 2:7, "be disobedient"); "disbelieve" (or "disbelieved") in the RV, in Mark 16:11,16; Luke 24:11,41; Acts 28:24; "disbelieve" is the best rendering, implying that the unbeliever has had a full opportunity of believing and has rejected it; some mss. have apeitheo, "to be disobedient," in 1 Pet 2:7; Rom 3:3, RV, "were without faith;" 2 Tim 2:13, RV, "are faithless. Cp. apeitheo under DISOBEDIENT.

source: Define BELIEVE | Definition for word BELIEVE Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary BELIEVE


Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
disbelieve
From apistos; to be unbelieving, i.e. (transitively) disbelieve, or (by implication) disobey -- believe not.


source: Strong's Greek: 569. ἀπιστέω (apisteó) -- to disbelieve, be faithless
Thank you for supporting my point. btw, all you've done is stick the letter 'a' in front of the Greek word for 'believe'.

If you parse John 3:36 you will note that the first occurrence of "believe" is pisteuo. But the second word is apietho, NOT apistos. And I've shown above what apietho means. Note the red bolded words.

If one believes he also obeys.
David was a saved OT believer. He raped and murdered. Is that obedience?

If one does not believe he also does not obey (and why would he?)
You make grand pronouncements, but no evidence from Scripture.

David raped and murdered. Peter denied His Lord 3 times. Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit. One idiot in the Corinthian congregation had sex with his step mother.

Yet, Paul noted that his spirit would be saved.

Only when the word 'obey' is in context with obeying the gospel does it mean to believe the gospel. No other time.
 
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So true.

Believing without obeying, is demonic believing.

You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! James 2:19
A very common mistake here. What is the subject of the first sentence? Monotheism.

Does the Bible teach that believing in monotheism results in salvation? Of course NOT.

James' point was that even though these saved believing Jews also believed that "God is One", so do the demons. James was admonishing his audience to PROVE their faith by evidence. So, what is that? Deeds, of course.

And please don't equate James 2:19 so some kind of "unsaying" demon faith. There is NO mention of faith in v.19. It's simply about the demons believing through experience that God is One. They believe in the Trinity. They know the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And that they are One.
 
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The N.T. is very clear about obeying...
John 3:36 is very clear to me...
36“He who believes (pisteuo) in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey (apietho) the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
This is what I'm talking about.

This sentence clarifies that "obedience" in this verse is equated to believing.

So, the verse says that those who believe have eternal life, but those who don't believe will not see life (or have eternal life) and face God's wrath.
 
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I said:
"OK, now prove your claim from a Greek lexicon."
Why do you desire man’s commentary?
What an obvious DODGE of the issue. Do you really think that a dictionary is only some man's opinion? No, a dictionary is the source for what words mean. But you'd rather dodge reality than face it. So have your games. Dodge to your heart's content.

Because your doctrine is the doctrine from man, and not from the scriptures.
My beliefs come straight from Scripture. Unlike yours. You are merely projecting again.

Believe is actually used interchangeably with the word obey, just as unbelief is used interchangeably with the word disobedience in the Bible.
OK, go ahead and prove your opinion with Scripture.

He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” John 3:36 NKJV
Sure. In this particular verse, it's clear that John was equating the word for "obey" with the word for "believe". But they are 2 different words. When "apietho" is equated with "pisteuo", then yes, it does mean to believe. It specifically means to believe the gospel. Or "obey the gospel". It doesn't mean to obey in general, as in following all instructions.

If that were true, no human being would ever enter heaven. Don't kid yourself.

“He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”
John 3:35 NASB
Right. He who does not believe the Son will not see life.

Since therefore it remains that some must enter it, and those to whom it was first preached did not enter because of disobedience,
Hebrews 4:6 NKJV
Why do you think "it" refers to heaven here? The promised land in Hebrews 3 isn't even about heaven. It was about the physical land that God promised to the Jews. However, they had to EARN the land by conquering the peoples in the land.

The promised land is a picture of eternal reward. Which is earned.

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
Hebrews 4:6 KJV
Repetition.

The we have the scripture that says -

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9
When obeying is connected to salvation, the meaning is to believe it.

The light of truth has once again exposed your darkened theology of deception. All you can do is deny the truth.
Just more projection. Nothing more.

That’s your theology.
My theology is biblical.

Teaching the lie.
What you do. More projection.
 
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A very common mistake here. What is the subject of the first sentence? Monotheism.

Does the Bible teach that believing in monotheism results in salvation? Of course NOT.

James' point was that even though these saved believing Jews also believed that "God is One", so do the demons. James was admonishing his audience to PROVE their faith by evidence. So, what is that? Deeds, of course.

And please don't equate James 2:19 so some kind of "unsaying" demon faith. There is NO mention of faith in v.19. It's simply about the demons believing through experience that God is One. They believe in the Trinity. They know the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. And that they are One.


Demons believe, but do not obey the Lord.

Demonic believing is just that, believing in Jesus Christ as Lord, but not obeying Him.


Your pattern of denial is well noted.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9



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Demons believe, but do not obey the Lord.

Demonic believing is just that, believing in Jesus Christ as Lord, but not obeying Him.
Let's be clear here. You have no idea at all about what James 2:19 means.

The subject of what the demons believe is about monotheism. Do you know what that word means? It has nothing to do with believing in Christ for salvation, or what we call "salvific faith".

Your pattern of denial is well noted.
Actually, it is your pattern of projection that is well noted.

And you've made perfectly clear that your opinion is in direct opposition to what Jesus Christ taught in John 10:28.

He said that recipients of eternal life shall never perish.

Yet, you stubbornly opine that recipients of eternal life CAN perish.

One more thing.

Do you believe everything that Paul wrote, or only what you personally agree with?

Rom 6:8 - Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him.

Do you believe these words from Paul?

Do you believe that those who have placed their faith IN Christ for salvation have "died with Christ", or something else?

So, you've got a problem here.

If you admit and agree that when a person puts their faith in Christ, they have "died with Christ", then you've GOT TO accept the second part of the sentence. That "we will also LIVE WITH HIM."

But you have claimed that born again, sealed, Spirit indwelt believers CAN end up in the lake of fire.

So, once again, I have proven your opinion/theory WRONG and unbiblical.
 
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Let's be clear here. You have no idea at all about what James 2:19 means.


This sums up your whole theology!

Simply telling everyone who doesn’t agree with your man made theology, that they don’t know what the scripture means.


You deny the truth, twisting it to conform to your narrow doctrine of OSAS.


Jesus Christ is Lord.

Those who obey Him, receive eternal salvation.

Those who live in disobedience to Him, receive His wrath and indignation.


And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9


  • He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him


Your doctrine promotes disobedience, teaching God’s people the lie.


And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12



Jesus Christ our Lord, solemnly warned us to remain in Him, or be cast out and thrown into the fire and burned.



If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6



Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”:


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24



Do you teach people they must keep His commandments in order to remain “in Christ” ?




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This sums up your whole theology!

Simply telling everyone who doesn’t agree with your man made theology, that they don’t know what the scripture means.
What is simple is the clarity of your own errors. When faced with clear Scripture that totally refutes your opinions, you just dodge.

You deny the truth, twisting it to conform to your narrow doctrine of OSAS
I keep giving you clear Scripture that TEACHES eternal security, but you simply deny the truth. Again, you are just projecting.

Jesus Christ is Lord.
Got it.

Those who obey Him, receive eternal salvation.
To believe the gospel is how people are saved, which I've PROVEN with many verses.

Those who live in disobedience to Him, receive His wrath and indignation.
Yes, God will discipline His rebellious children.

And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him, Hebrews 5:9
Explain how Jesus was "perfected". Do you believe that He wasn't perfect before He went to the cross?

Your doctrine promotes disobedience, teaching God’s people the lie.
Nonsense. I promote what the Word of God teaches; that God will discipline and punish His children who disobey.

And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
Great verse. Teaches the same thing that John 3:18 teaches.

"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son."

Just look at the red words "did not believe" and "have not believed". It means NEVER believed.

That condemnation (lake of fire) is for those who "have not believed". So much for your erroneous theory about the Greek present tense.

To "have not believed" means to have NEVER believed, since no time frame is mentioned in context. In either verse.

Jesus Christ our Lord, solemnly warned us to remain in Him, or be cast out and thrown into the fire and burned.
This demonstrates a total lack of understanding of parables and figures of speech. The subject in Johh 15:1-7 is about bearing fruit, not getting saved. Branches that don't bear fruit are discarded from use. Duh.

Believers who don't bear fruit are discarded from use or service, and will suffer the consequences of God's discipline, not condemnation, as you presume.

\If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6
It is just amazing how little regard for understanding Scripture that Arminians show.

Abiding is about fellowship. But Arminians deny the whole thing. There is no fellowship in their theology. It's either saved or lost. Nothing in between.

In a marriage, that's a RELATIONSHIP, which in God's plan, is PERMANENT. Yet, in that PERMANENT marriage, there may be fellowship, or a break in fellowship, all dependent upon whether one spouse offends the other.

In the Christian life, when believers sin, they OFFEND the Lord. That breaks fellowship.

This is why Scripture says this:

Psa 66:18 - If I had cherished sin in my heart, the Lord would not have listened;

This verse describes what LOSS of fellowship looks like.

When you offend your wife, does she listen to you? Only when you repent and confess your offenses. Not until then. And that's when fellowship is restored.

Here is how we are instructed to remain “in Christ”:
Wrong. We are NOT instructed how to "remain in Christ". The sealing with the Holy Spirit is a GUARANTEE of our inheritance until the day of redemption, according to Eph 1:13,14.

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
This verse is about how to remain IN FELLOWSHIP with the Lord; by keeping His commandments. This avoids offending Him and LOSING fellowship.

Do you teach people they must keep His commandments in order to remain “in Christ” ?
No, I teach the truth, that keeping the Lord's commandments is HOW to REMAIN IN FELLOWSHIP with Christ. And it's the ONLY WAY to bear fruit.

But you have indicated that you know nothing about that.

I find it typical, and interesting, that you failed to address Rom 6:8. Why would that be?

And you failed to answer any question about that verse.

When you believed in Christ, did you die with Him, or not? Or do you not understand what I'm asking?
 
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