Huge Gun-Lovers Rally on MLK Day - Not A Coincidence but By Design

ArmenianJohn said:

LOL, it's funny how people who are against Christian values take God's Word completely out of context by providing half-truths. If you continue reading the chapter for the whole CONTEXT then you will see what jameson posted in the first place and what Christ's attitude towards weapons actually is.

The sad thing is you probably really think that the scripture you provided actually is in favor of weapons. Unbelievable!!!

What did Jesus do when Peter actually USED his sword to cut off the Roman guard's ear??? I'll bet you have no clue...

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I know what he said, because I have read the whole Bible multiple times.
And you can see in the two passages the proper response to violent people. We should not be inciting violence, but we should be prepared to defend ourselves and our families if need be, which is why he told them to buy a sword for protection.
In the same way, Jesus said not to return insult for insult, which is what the turn the other cheek passage means. It's not about not defending oneself against physical violence. We should live at peace as much as it depends on us.
He also said that the reason Peter should not fight was because it was God's will that he be crucified.
So, the balance is: Don't go looking for a fight, but be prepared to what is needed.
Be the "strong man" who has to be bound before someone can break into your house.
People that try to make Jesus a wimp really don't "get" him at all.

ArmenianJohn said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/01/20/virginia-gun-rally-updates/

No mistake about the choice of date - they chose, of all days, MLK Day. As everyone knows, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a black civil rights activist who was the target of racists and was ultimately murdered with a gun.

Choosing today sends a message of "we love guns and we have no concern for MLK or his legacy and that's why whe chose today for our huge pro-gun rally".

MLK did things in line with God's Word, was peaceful but stood for what was right. He was a Christian man and pastor. This is the man that the racists hated then and hate to this day, along with anyone who shares Dr. King's Christian values.

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Is it being implied those who support the Second Amendment to the Constitution are racists? According to a 2011 Huffington Post article MLKj was a gun owner. Not only was he a gun owner but according to civil rights chronicler William Worthy MLKj owned "a small arsenal," and according to the article's author Adam Winkler MLKj applied for a concealed carry permit. Of even greater irony is that these advocates of the Second Amendment held a peaceful rally practicing their First Amendment right to "peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances," despite the attempts at fear-mongering by baselessly associating the exercise of democratic rights with neo-Nazis and other white supremacist groups. So take note when you hear/read "news" casters label these events as "gun rallies" instead of rallies to protect Constitutionally guaranteed and affirmed rights.

Maria Billingsley said:

So sorry to hear this.Where is LOVE? No true Holy Spirit filled Christian would participate.

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You are the arbiter of what the Holy Spirit does and does not inspire God's people to do?

ArmenianJohn said:

NBC News didn't report the facts in their entirety and I provided what they left out. You parroted NBC News without investigating further

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At least I quoted someone. You quoted no one, only your own opinions, and maintain them as established truth, while you ignore my other evidence that disproves your vile accusations against the attendees of the rally. Pretty hard to have an edifying discussion with someone closed to considering evidence and married to his own opinions. Since I don't believe in wasting my time, I'll leave you to them.

Jamesone5 said:

It is how you want to look at it.

Defend yourself against your false fears is one thing. A show of force to try to intimidate others is even worse.

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????? Where was the show of force trying to intimidate others? Would you be referring to the armed guards the Governor had added to protect legislators from those who'd been prevented from carrying their firearms? Is it the Governor's false fears to which you are referring? Surely you don't mean those exercising the First amendment right of peaceful assembly address grievances against unconstitutional restrictions on the Second Amendment that will not in any way shape or form reduce the problem the legislators are purporting to solve? Or would that be a reference to liberal "lawmakers" proposing ineffective laws who were engaged quite peacefully by the constituents they were elected to represent and serve?

Jamesone5 said:

I grew up using guns, by the way and there is a place and a time without this "look at me and what my gun can do" nonsense.

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Who - specifically - was saying "look at me and what my gun can do"?

Jamesone5 said:

It is how you want to look at it.

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Yes, and we should look at it objectively and not baselessly (Pr. 3:30).

ArmenianJohn said:

No. Go back and re-read the OP. If you still have trouble understanding, let me know what part is giving you trouble.

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A simple "No," answers the question asked. Go back and re-read the question. If you still have trouble understanding, let me know what part is giving you trouble.

Handmaid for Jesus said:

Why today though?

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Virginia has long held "lobby day" on MLK day for every concerned citizen (not just gun owners) to lobby their legislators about issues important to them. The date bears no direct connection to MLK, but instead, it is chosen because it's a national holiday near the beginning of the legislative session, so legislators normally remain in their offices to meet with visiting citizens, and many people have the day off, enabling them to visit their legislators.

The OP shows his profound ignorance about Virginia politics in general, and Lobby Day in particular.
MLK himself applied for a concealed-carry gun permit in 1956, and was denied. I wonder why?
He certainly needed one.

renniks said:

5Then Jesus asked them, “When I sent you out without purse or bag or sandals, did you lack anything?” “Nothing,” they answered. 36“Now, however,” He told them, “the one with a purse should take it, and likewise a bag; and the one without a sword should sell his cloak and buy one.

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Had a prediction that one of you would trot this out with those verses.

Let us take those two verses separately [with context to your verses]

Luke 22:35-38 (NKJV)

35And He said to them, “When I sent you without money bag, knapsack, and sandals, did you lack anything?”

So they said, “Nothing.”

36 Then He said to them, “But now, he who has a money bag, let him take it, and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.”

38 So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.”

And He said to them, “It is enough.”


Wow! two sword instead of an arsenal of weaponry to protect themselves? Certainly disqualifies this gun rally.

Now, how many now are willing to sell their garments to buy A gun in this case-- not many guns as a lot gun enthusiasts are prone to buy? It is really pride that motivates many to buy even more guns. Even guns that are semi-automatics with a lot of killing power. We can further equate that to a simple sword or gun

We go to this verse:

Matthew 26:52
But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

He just rebuked Peter for taking out his sword for defending Him. You think his one measly sword could have defended Christ with the crowd with that was there to arrest Jesus?

At some point you have to trust Christ. You are really expecting weaponry to save your flesh when you take this verse for example to heart:

2 Timothy 1:7
For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

Josheb said:

????? Where was the show of force trying to intimidate others? Would you be referring to the armed guards the Governor had added to protect legislators from those who'd been prevented from carrying their firearms? Is it the Governor's false fears to which you are referring? Surely you don't mean those exercising the First amendment right of peaceful assembly address grievances against unconstitutional restrictions on the Second Amendment that will not in any way shape or form reduce the problem the legislators are purporting to solve? Or would that be a reference to liberal "lawmakers" proposing ineffective laws who were engaged quite peacefully by the constituents they were elected to represent and serve?

Who - specifically - was saying "look at me and what my gun can do"?

Yes, and we should look at it objectively and not baselessly (Pr. 3:30).

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Here is the big one in response from Proverbs 3:30.[which you quoted by the way


Proverbs 3:30 (NKJV)
30 Do not strive with a man without cause,
If he has done you no harm


Did I direct my post to specially to you, Josheb, or did you feel the "shoe fits" somehow?. And cannot I share my feelings on the matter without having to read some long response to words that weren't even directed at you?

And please stop assuming things--like whatever you were trying to say about the liberal side of things. My feelings are generated by certainly not your side or even the left.

You don't like my observations on things-- do try to ignore me. Saves a lot of striving with a man.

ArmenianJohn said:

No mistake about the choice of date - they chose, of all days, MLK Day.

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What better day to peacefully protest than on the day set to honor a man who taught and practiced the art of peacefully protesting?

It had absolutely nothing to do with race, but everything to do with their civil rights. Just as MLK Jr. stood for what was right and did it peacefully, so did those people who were marching in support of the 2nd Amendment. There was no underlying agenda, nothing racist about it and it was not out of mockery. There was no chaos, no riots, not one bullet was fired. Isn't that how MLK would have wanted it? Peaceful, civil yet bold? That's how he did things, no?
We need to stand up and speak out. Most gun owners are good, decent, law-abiding citizens. They are avid hunters, some have them as a source of protection and some have them for both reasons. A lot of them are also Christians, preachers included.

Sane people have the right to own guns. No one has the right to be racist.

Jamesone5 said:

Wow! two sword instead of an arsenal of weaponry to protect themselves? Certainly disqualifies this gun rally.

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How many or few guns has nothing to do with it. You can only shoot one at a time anyway. Some collect guns as a hobby. That doesn't make one a violent person. Most people I know who have multiple guns have them for hunting different animals. I don't understand this perception that the amount of guns someone owns is a reason to judge them.

Jamesone5 said:

He just rebuked Peter for taking out his sword for defending Him. You think his one measly sword could have defended Christ with the crowd with that was there to arrest Jesus?

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53 Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54 But how then would the Scriptures be that say it must happen in this way?”

Jesus didn't fight because it was his mission, to die! He didn't say there is never a time to fight.
The battle taking place there was in another realm. It was actually Jesus' greatest victory to submit to God's will.
So Jesus didn't need a weapon. But we sometimes do. Not all battles against evil are in the spirit realm.

ArmenianJohn said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/01/20/virginia-gun-rally-updates/

No mistake about the choice of date - they chose, of all days, MLK Day. As everyone knows, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a black civil rights activist who was the target of racists and was ultimately murdered with a gun.

Choosing today sends a message of "we love guns and we have no concern for MLK or his legacy and that's why whe chose today for our huge pro-gun rally".

MLK did things in line with God's Word, was peaceful but stood for what was right. He was a Christian man and pastor. This is the man that the racists hated then and hate to this day, along with anyone who shares Dr. King's Christian values.

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Hi the rally had to do with 2nd amendment rights and not gun lovers. Antifa protested to at this rally on the side of gun rights noting that gun confiscation appeared to be done more on a racial level. The date may been a good day as a holiday and people could make it since they were off anyways.

King owned guns and was denied a conceal to carry permit even though his house was bombed. You are ignorant of 2nd amendment and King's involvement on this issue

Martin Luther King, Jr., known for peaceful resistance, at the same time recognized the importance of gun ownership for self-defense. King understood the risks involved in being an outspoken civil rights leader, living in Jim Crow era Alabama, and took measures to protect himself, his family and others around him.

King was a gun owner. In fact, he had a few guns–one visitor to the King family home described King’s supply of weapons as an “armory.”

Additionally, William Worthy, a journalist who covered the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, reported that he almost sat on a loaded gun while visiting King’s parsonage.

King had also applied for a concealed carry permit, but was turned down. According to John M. Snyder:

“At one time, King applied for a permit to carry a concealed handgun, but was denied. He was concerned for his personal safety, just as are a lot of law-abiding American citizens. “

Even though King’s house had just been bombed, his application for the concealed carry permit was still rejected. Few people in the US needed a permit to carry more than Reverend King did in 1956, but since the local police had some discretion in their decision making, King, who no doubt met the requirements of the law, was rejected nonetheless. This was the norm when the applicant was black.

An example of discriminatory gun legislation, via Examiner.Com:

“This Reconstruction Era law in Louisiana is a perfect example:

No negro who is not in the military service shall be allowed to carry fire-arms, or any kind of weapons, within the parish, without the special written permission of his employers, approved and endorsed by the nearest and most convenient chief of patrol.”

ArmenianJohn said:

You apparently didn't understand the OP...

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No, you apparently falsely imagine I do not understand the op and you should learn not to put your negative assumptions on others, and you like it even less when I turn your own responses on you because now you're even further off-topic from your own op and posting about the poster, not the posts. There are many reasons for asking the questions asked. Those too apparently escape your understanding so assuming the role of forum sheriff and snide comments about another's comprehension are (falsely) imagined appropriate.

They are not.


And if an actual interest in discussing the op existed that's what we'd be doing, so your digressions have betrayed only you. Everything I've written is op relevant. Deal with it.

Or don't.

Whatever you choose do it without blaming others for your choices.

ArmenianJohn said:

No mistake about the choice of date - they chose, of all days, MLK Day....

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Who is "they..."?

How does a protest on the holiday following closest to the new legislative session communicate, "we love guns and we have no concern for MLK or his legacy and that's why we chose today for our huge pro-gun rally"?

or more accurately,

How does a protest on the holiday following closest to the new legislative session communicate, "we love guns and we have no concern for the gun-owning MLKj or his legacy and that's why we chose today for our huge pro-gun rally"?

or even more accurately,

How does a protest on the holiday following closest to the new legislative session communicate, "we love guns and we have no concern for the gun-owning MLK or his legacy and that's why we chose today for our huge peaceful gathering affirming First and Second Amendment rights"?

Do please explain the rationale behind that, John. Be specific.