BEWARE OF UNIVERSAL RECONCILIATION

FineLinen · Dec 14, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Great post Hillsage imho.

So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life. (Gen 3:15)

Dear Shrewd: The Sage is a remarkable expression in both our humble opinions.

The Tree of Life is a dangerous Realm. One must simply find their way through flaming swords swirling in every direction that guard the Way. No one makes it through alive, the loss is the complete end to our wee life! But fear not>>>

"He that saves his life shall lose it, he that loses his life for my sake..."

"The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance."

Der Alte · Dec 14, 2019

Hillsage said:
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I do feel sorry for posts like that above. How sad that they hear not the whisper of the Spirit in the roars of long told lies. I am thankful for those brethren here who let the Spirit of truth lead and guide them away from the crowd who worship a god made in the image of carnal minded men of old. Men whose hearts were sold out to the religious and political spirit of the father of lies in those days days so long ago. Days when the founding fathers had long gone to their graves. The false truths promoted today still stand on the the shoulders of those servants of Satan who twisted the founders teachings to achieve their own corrupt hearted goals. History easily proves they too girded themselves with robes and religious phylacteries even as Jesus warned of concerning the deceivers in his day. Warnings against the lies of the pharisees in their religious robes. Oh the influence of those deceivers concerning the heart of God. The hearts of the simple minded were no match for those religious writers of the traditions and commandments of men.
The church that came up with the deceptions we stand against today, is simply the repeated history warning of Jesus in His day. A day when the Son himself told how the religion of God was so defiled by religious men.

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You just called everyone who disagrees with you a liar three times. And you have not and cannot prove it.

Hillsage · Dec 14, 2019

Shrewd Manager said:
Great post Hillsage imho.

So He drove the man out; and at the east of the garden of Eden He stationed the cherubim and the flaming sword which turned every direction to guard the way to the tree of life. (Gen 3:15)

An interesting verse choice. So do you lean toward literal, or metaphorical interpretations thereof?

Shrewd Manager · Dec 14, 2019

Hillsage said:
An interesting verse choice. So do you lean toward literal, or metaphorical interpretations thereof?

Just caught an image of fallen man being kept from a knowledge of Christ by the inability to get past the gospel truth.

Shrewd Manager · Dec 14, 2019

FineLinen said:
Dear Shrewd: The Sage is a remarkable expression in both our humble opinions.

The Tree of Life is a dangerous Realm. One must simply find their way through flaming swords swirling in every direction that guard the Way. No one makes it through alive, the loss is the complete end to our wee life! But fear not>>>

"He that saves his life shall lose it, he that loses his life for my sake..."

"The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance."

The sword that cuts the flesh to ribbons and excises the sinful nature.

Saint Steven · Dec 14, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
The Master tells false gospel promoters "You also shall perish, unless you each repent"....

We are still waiting for you to inform us about the "true" gospel, Jeff. Is it on the way?

FineLinen · Dec 15, 2019

This is a giant beware.

How dare anyone remotely think wicked sinners will be changed to dwell with us who have made excellent decisions to follow Jesus in this life. Shame on them!

Why should the futility of change and decay not be extended to everlasting despair?

BEWARE ! ! !

FineLinen · Dec 15, 2019

“Legalism says God will love us if we change. The gospel says God will change us because He loves us.” - Tullian Tchividjian

“Though we are incomplete, God loves us completely. Though we are imperfect, He loves us perfectly. Though we may feel lost and without compass, God’s love encompasses us completely. … He loves every one of us, even those who are flawed, rejected, awkward, sorrowful, or broken.” - Dieter F. Uchtdorf

“It’s not about finding ways to avoid God’s judgment and feeling like a failure if you don’t do everything perfectly. It’s about fully experiencing God’s love and letting it perfect you....” - Stormie Omartian,

“We should be astonished at the goodness of God, stunned that He should bother to call us by name, our mouths wide open at His love, bewildered that at this very moment we are standing on holy ground.” -Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out

Saint Steven · Dec 15, 2019

FineLinen said:
This is a giant beware.

How dare anyone remotely think wicked sinners will be changed to dwell with us who have made excellent decisions to follow Jesus in this life. Shame on them!

Why should the futility of change and decay not be exended to everlasting despair?

BEWARE ! ! !

Romans 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

FineLinen · Dec 15, 2019

Saint Steven said:
Romans 4:4-5
Now to the one who works, wages are not credited as a gift but as an obligation. 5 However, to the one who does not work but trusts God who justifies the ungodly, their faith is credited as righteousness.

Dear Steve: It is a remarkable fact the called out ones live by the faith of the Son of God, not any faith they are able to muster.

I am trying to wrap my empty head around the God who justifies the ungodly.

"If you’re a hard worker and do a good job, you deserve your pay; we don’t call your wages a gift. But if you see that the job is too big for you, that it’s something only God can do, and you trust him to do it—you could never do it for yourself no matter how hard and long you worked—well, that trusting-him-to-do-it is what gets you set right with God, by God. Sheer gift." -MSG-

"Whereas in the case of a man who pleads no actions of his own, but simply believes in Him who declares the ungodly free from guilt, his faith is placed to his credit as righteousness."

Der Alte · Dec 15, 2019

FineLinen said:
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FineLinen said:
“Legalism says God will love us if we change. The gospel says God will change us because He loves us.” - Tullian Tchividjian
“Though we are incomplete, God loves us completely. Though we are imperfect, He loves us perfectly. Though we may feel lost and without compass, God’s love encompasses us completely. … He loves every one of us, even those who are flawed, rejected, awkward, sorrowful, or broken.” - Dieter F. Uchtdorf
“It’s not about finding ways to avoid God’s judgment and feeling like a failure if you don’t do everything perfectly. It’s about fully experiencing God’s love and letting it perfect you....” - Stormie Omartian,
“We should be astonished at the goodness of God, stunned that He should bother to call us by name, our mouths wide open at His love, bewildered that at this very moment we are standing on holy ground.” -Brennan Manning, The Ragamuffin Gospel: Good News for the Bedraggled, Beat-Up, and Burnt Out

A lot of fine sounding words unfortunately not one verse of scripture, just the unsupported opinions of anonymous people.

Saint Steven · Dec 15, 2019

FineLinen said:
Dear Steve: It is a remarkable fact the called out ones live by the faith of the Son of God, not any faith they are able to muster.

I am trying to wrap my empty head around the God who justifies the ungodly.

"If you’re a hard worker and do a good job, you deserve your pay; we don’t call your wages a gift. But if you see that the job is too big for you, that it’s something only God can do, and you trust him to do it—you could never do it for yourself no matter how hard and long you worked—well, that trusting-him-to-do-it is what gets you set right with God, by God. Sheer gift." -MSG-

"Whereas in the case of a man who pleads no actions of his own, but simply believes in Him who declares the ungodly free from guilt, his faith is placed to his credit as righteousness."

Do you remember this one? (name that tune)

[Verse 1]
See him wasted on the sidewalk in his jacket and his jeans
Wearin' yesterday's misfortunes like a smile
Once he had a future full of money, love, and dreams
Which he spent like they was goin' outta style
And he keeps right on a-changin' for the better or the worse
Searchin' for a shrine, he's never found
Never knowin' if believin' is a blessin' or a curse
Or if the goin' up was worth the comin' down

[Chorus]
He's a poet and he's a picker, he's a prophet and he's a pusher
He's a pilgrim and a preacher and a problem when he's stoned
He's a walkin' contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction
Takin' every wrong direction on his lonely way back home

[Verse 2]
He has tasted good and evil in your bedrooms and your bars
And he's traded in tomorrow for today
Runnin' from his devils, Lord, and reachin' for the stars
And losin' all he's loved along the way
But if this world keeps right on turnin' for the better or the worse
And all he ever gets is older and around
From the rockin' of the cradle to the rollin' of the hearse
The goin' up was worth the comin' down

[Chorus]
He's a poet and he's a picker, he's a prophet and he's a pusher
He's a pilgrim and a preacher and a problem when he's stoned
He's a walkin' contradiction, partly truth and partly fiction
Takin' every wrong direction on his lonely way back home

Hillsage · Dec 15, 2019

FineLinen said:
Dear Steve: It is a remarkable fact the called out ones live by the faith of the Son of God, not any faith they are able to muster.

I am trying to wrap my empty head around the God who justifies the ungodly.

"If you’re a hard worker and do a good job, you deserve your pay; we don’t call your wages a gift. But if you see that the job is too big for you, that it’s something only God can do, and you trust him to do it—you could never do it for yourself no matter how hard and long you worked—well, that trusting-him-to-do-it is what gets you set right with God, by God. Sheer gift." -MSG-

"Whereas in the case of a man who pleads no actions of his own, but simply believes in Him who declares the ungodly free from guilt, his faith is placed to his credit as righteousness."

Dear brother, while I don't ever read it,...last I heard the Message was another 'infallible bible translation' from yet another modern day scribe. And yet the bleating, of one I'll not name, does still come to 'our' ears to condemn you for not having anything but an opinion. Which is why, IMO, dialogue is a waste of my time with some. I gave you a 'like' though.

Saint Steven · Dec 15, 2019

Hillsage said:
Dear brother, while I don't ever read it,...last I heard the Message was another 'infallible bible translation' from yet another modern day scribe. And yet the bleating, of one I'll not name, does still come to 'our' ears to condemn you for not having anything but an opinion. Which is why, IMO, dialogue is a waste of my time with some. I gave you a 'like' though.

I put The Message on my Christmas wish list. I like it. Eugene is not a Universalist, per say, but I like the general concept of a Bible translation in the common language. I love the story of how it came about.

The Message The Bible in Contemporary Language

Fine Linen had posted a scripture from The Message that really spoke to me. I had to check it out. I thought it was a paraphrase. Not so.

I would say it is more of a "reading" Bible than a study Bible. It reads like a book.

FineLinen · Dec 15, 2019

Hillsage said:
Dear brother, while I don't ever read it,...last I heard the Message was another 'infallible bible translation' from yet another modern day scribe. And yet the bleating, of one I'll not name, does still come to 'our' ears to condemn you for not having anything but an opinion. Which is why, IMO, dialogue is a waste of my time with some. I gave you a 'like' though.

Dear Sage: As I draw closer to the other Side, my time becomes limited for empty folly. We have a dear friend who actually dated the author of The Message many moons ago. It seems to me (in my not so humble opinion) that brother Peterson grasped the Spirit of the Word. In short, he was able to read in a measure between the red letters and black letters looking at the white spaces between the lines.

I do appreciate every last "like" possible, it keeps my blessings account overflowing. Perhaps retirement is close.

"Are your ears awake? Listen. Listen to the Wind Words, the Spirit blowing through the churches."

FineLinen · Dec 15, 2019

Saint Steven said:
I put The Message on my Christmas wish list. I like it. Eugene is not a Universalist, per say, but I like the general concept of a Bible translation in the common language. I love the story of how it came about.

The Message The Bible in Contemporary Language

Fine Linen had posted a scripture from The Message that really spoke to me. I had to check it out. I thought it was a paraphrase. Not so.

Dear Steve: If by any fluke you fail to get a hard copy, your early gift is now in your hands>>>>

Read the The Message Bible Free Online

Hillsage · Dec 15, 2019

My dear brothers, Do not take my description of the translation and the “scribe” and let that mislead you as to my intent. Though it is true that I do not hold any translation as being ‘high as the throne’ from whence the ‘book’s inspiration’ came from. And I do agree with you FL that those gifted to hear the true “living Word”, through the written errors, are blessed indeed. It’s those who claim such superiority over us, and yet can not perceive a translation after they read it, that I pray have better eyes to see.

FineLinen · Dec 16, 2019

Hillsage said:
My dear brothers, Do not take my description of the translation and the “scribe” and let that mislead you as to my intent. Though it is true that I do not hold any translation as being ‘high as the throne’ from whence the ‘book’s inspiration’ came from. And I do agree with you FL that those gifted to hear the true “living Word”, through the written errors, are blessed indeed. It’s those who claim such superiority over us, and yet can not perceive a translation after they read it, that I pray have better eyes to see.

Dear Sage: There is exactly one road for the huffers and puffers. It is called the cross; not His cross (only He could bear), their specially designed cross.

The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance.

FineLinen · Dec 17, 2019

FineLinen said:
This is a giant beware.

How dare anyone remotely think wicked sinners will be changed to dwell with us who have made excellent decisions to follow Jesus in this life. Shame on them!

Why should the futility of change and decay not be extended to everlasting despair?

BEWARE ! ! !

BEWARE !

Pay no attention to the Heavenly Anthem of the angelic Host.

The good news is not for "pas", but only "tis".

Plan A=

" Behold we bring you good tidings of great joy which will be for pas/ all people."

Alternate plan =

" Behold we bring you good tidings of great joy which will be for tis/some people."

Der Alte · Dec 17, 2019

FineLinen said:
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FineLinen said:
The good news is not for "pas", but only "tis".
Plan A=
" Behold we bring you good tidings of great joy which will be for pas/ all people."
Alternate plan =
" Behold we bring you good tidings of great joy which will be for tis/some people."

Nonsense. I guess you can only make your argument by deliberately misrepresenting what those who believe Jesus when He said "Depart from me, you who work evil. I never knew you." and "These shall go away into eternal punishment."
And I am still waiting for anyone to show me a verse, 2 or more would be better, where God, Himself, or Jesus, Himself, says unequivocally that all mankind will be saved, reconciled, even the unrighteous, after death.
And for you information that something is "for" someone does not mean they will receive it.

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