Does the recently confirmed existence of UfO's pose a threat to Christianity?

JacksBratt · Nov 29, 2019

BobRyan said:
Some options
1. There are other "Worlds" Hebrews 1, Hebrews 11, Job 1, Job 2 that are sinless and so are much like the sinless angels for our way of thinking except that they are not likely to be coming to earth on any sort of "mission" -- God sends angels here for that purpose but very likely no one else comes here.

This would not be a threat to evangelism or to existing Christian theology - but it also would not fit the UFO narrative being reported in public

I see where you are coming from... not sure if I can agree, however.

BobRyan said:
2.There is intelligent life in the universe that evolved from bacteria just as intelligent life evolved from bacteria on Earth so the most evolved is the most technologically advanced/superior. Resources are always something to compete for - and so it is "every man for himself" when there is a clash of cultures and civilizations and/or species. There is a "trust" issue by definition when we encounter them. We can't "trust them" to always have our best interest in mind.. and they can't trust us to always cooperate with their plan.

Totally disagree.... The odds that this even happened once are nonsense... To have happened another time as well..... not even close to being anything less that dreaming.

[/quote]3. Some undefined/obscure religious third option where the "visitors" ultimately try to establish a "new" religion and claim some affiliation with religious events in human history.[/quote]

This is the thing that can cause some to lose their faith... except it will be Satan and his ilk deceiving the world

[/quote]4. These UFOs are really Chinese or Russian and are so many centuries ahead of the US in technology that they can afford to simply "dangle their top secret high tech" in front of our top line military for the past 20 years or so with the full confidence that we could never catch up with them and we have no intelligence agency that is even remotely able to snoop out what they are doing in secret. (Not the most likely option by a long shot)[/QUOTE]
Wishful thinking maybe... not even close to being supportable.

Jamdoc · Nov 30, 2019

You know I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but doesn't Ezekiel talk about God and his Cherubim using literal flying saucers to visit him?
Maybe not demons, but God and His host? Some people like to think of God as some sort of magician who wouldn't use technology. I say, why not, if Ezekiel saw flying saucers and the Lord's Cherubim with them, then God might find technology pretty useful for things.

Neogaia777 · Nov 30, 2019

Jamdoc said:
You know I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but doesn't Ezekiel talk about God and his Cherubim using literal flying saucers to visit him?
Maybe not demons, but God and His host? Some people like to think of God as some sort of magician who wouldn't use technology. I say, why not, if Ezekiel saw flying saucers and the Lord's Cherubim with them, then God might find technology pretty useful for things.

Except God and the realm and dimension(s) of the gods, is on the "other side" of here, or on the other "sides" of here, in other dimensions, etc... And what Ezekiel saw was in a "vision" also, and was not meant to taken exactly literally also, it is, and they are, of "another world or realm or dimension that is not bound to the physical, but can use or manipulate the physical from there", etc... Jesus miracles were actually done and performed from and by the powers there, from there, etc... As were all the miracles in the OT, etc, by God and the gods (angels) there, etc...

So, no, no literal physical flying saucers or spaceships, or physical aliens when it comes to God and the Angels, sorry... They are "beyond" that, etc... Way beyond that, etc...

Not saying they don't necessarily exist, but if they do, they would not be them, etc...

God Bless!

Jamdoc · Nov 30, 2019

Well the descriptions of flying wheels and lightning and all that certainly sound like flying saucers.

Neogaia777 · Nov 30, 2019

Jamdoc said:
Well the descriptions of flying wheels and lightning and all that certainly sound like flying saucers.

But it was in a "vision", and as with all visions...?

Anyway,

Then the supernatural, etc...

Anyway,

Anyway, there is just plenty of evidence pointing to another not bound to the strictly physical realm, or this realm only, etc, that can have a "supernatural" effect of this physical realm from there, etc...

Anyway,

God Bless You Man!

God Bless!

BobRyan · Nov 30, 2019

Jamdoc said:
You know I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but doesn't Ezekiel talk about God and his Cherubim using literal flying saucers to visit him?
Maybe not demons, but God and His host? Some people like to think of God as some sort of magician who wouldn't use technology. I say, why not, if Ezekiel saw flying saucers and the Lord's Cherubim with them, then God might find technology pretty useful for things.

When God comes to Earth it looks like this

2 Thess 1
tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction

Rev 19
11 Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. 12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. 13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses.

Regardless of what the white horses are - the description looks nothing like a flying disc. And God can be seen .. in this case wearing a crown.

And even Ezekiel can see God seated on His throne and not simply a disc.

So to your point - whether there are disc's in heaven or not is a question, but the UFO "narrative" is not usually of the form "this is our Creator God showing up in a flying saucer" -- usually it is of the form "this is an alien race that evolved far beyond what the human race has " and the jury is out as to whether they can be trusted or not.

yeshuaslavejeff · Nov 30, 2019

Jamdoc said:
Well the descriptions of flying wheels and lightning and all that certainly sound like flying saucers.

(partly in jest) When did you LISTEN to the flying wheels, and lightning and all that? When did you LISTEN TO the sound of flying saucers ? (or did you mean the saucer=shaped plates kids used (or adults used) like a frisbee ? )

justbyfaith · Nov 30, 2019

I don't know if this has been mentioned, but in answer to the title question: no, the existence of UFO's doesn't pose a threat to Christianity.

I believe that the millennial period will be a period of evangelism to other worlds; which are spoken of in the Bible (Hebrews 1:2).

Jamdoc · Nov 30, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
(partly in jest) When did you LISTEN to the flying wheels, and lightning and all that? When did you LISTEN TO the sound of flying saucers ? (or did you mean the saucer=shaped plates kids used (or adults used) like a frisbee ? )

I'll point to scripture as to what they sounded like.. Ezekiel 1:24 Ezekiel 2:13
like the noise of great waters, as the voice of the Almighty, the voice of speech, as the noise of an host
So these things were LOUD, like a raging waterfall, with some vocal qualities like a big crowd all talking at once. He was describing very loud powerful sounds. Sounds like what a man from thousands of years ago might describe a very powerful engine on a spaceship could sound like.

I'm reading the book again and it's not impossible that he actually saw these things physically, it didn't have to be a dream. He was just captive and looked to the sky, the sky opened up and there was visions of God. That could just mean he could see them. Not that it was a dream. Ezekiel 1:1

BobRyan · Dec 1, 2019

Jamdoc said:
Well the descriptions of flying wheels and lightning and all that certainly sound like flying saucers.

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"Wheel within a wheel" does not look like what we see in those gun-camera and gimbal camera videos in the OP. Am I missing something?

But no matter - I will certainly agree that they look like some sort of flying machine, complex and intelligently guided. But were they in heaven or were they said to be on Earth?

BobRyan · Dec 1, 2019

justbyfaith said:
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but in answer to the title question: no, the existence of UFO's doesn't pose a threat to Christianity.

I believe that the millennial period will be a period of evangelism to other worlds; which are spoken of in the Bible (Hebrews 1:2).

Hebrews 1 speaks of other worlds but no text speaks of "evangelism to other worlds"

Kaon · Dec 1, 2019

SeventyOne said:
To the world and those playing christian, it will most certainly be an issue. We've been primed for this particular deception for decades.

Yes.

Jamdoc · Dec 1, 2019

BobRyan said:
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"Wheel within a wheel" does not look like what we see in those gun-camera and gimbal camera videos in the OP. Am I missing something?

But no matter - I will certainly agree that they look like some sort of flying machine, complex and intelligently guided. But were they in heaven or were they said to be on Earth?

Ezekiel was captive on Earth when he saw them, so wherever they came from, they were on Earth at that time.

BobRyan · Dec 1, 2019

Jamdoc said:
Ezekiel was captive on Earth

Captive on Earth??

John saw heaven in Rev 4
Paul saw heaven in 2 Cor 12 but was uncertain whether he went to heaven or simply saw it in vision.
So also in Hebrew 12

they were on Earth at that time.

Jamdoc · Dec 1, 2019

BobRyan said:
Captive on Earth??

John saw heaven in Rev 4
Paul saw heaven in 2 Cor 12 but was uncertain whether he went to heaven or simply saw it in vision.
So also in Hebrew 12

they were on Earth at that time.

Depends on if he physically saw them or not. The bible uses the word Heaven to mean not just the literal dwelling of God apart from this physical world, but it's also often used to mean the sky and space. All we can really do is try to apply context as to which use of the word it is.

justbyfaith · Dec 1, 2019

BobRyan said:
Hebrews 1 speaks of other worlds but no text speaks of "evangelism to other worlds"

Yes; it is pure speculation depending on the reality of UFO's.

The Liturgist · Dec 2, 2019

Jamdoc said:
Well the descriptions of flying wheels and lightning and all that certainly sound like flying saucers.

Ball lightning is real, a natural phenomenon, and a scary one at that.

The Liturgist · Dec 2, 2019

By the way, in the exceedingly unlikely event there are UFOs, I want to lead a party to capture one, rename it the USS Enterprise, and explore the galaxy. Whose with me?

Jamdoc · Dec 2, 2019

The Liturgist said:
By the way, in the exceedingly unlikely event there are UFOs, I want to lead a party to capture one, rename it the USS Enterprise, and explore the galaxy. Whose with me?

Well if it's really Cherubim, good luck with that one :angel:

BobRyan · Dec 2, 2019

The Liturgist said:
By the way, in the exceedingly unlikely event there are UFOs, I want to lead a party to capture one, rename it the USS Enterprise, and explore the galaxy. Whose with me?

That's the kind of game that Steven Greer likes to play in real life. I think it gets him into trouble.

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