What Rudy Giuliani might be charged with

I wonder how long it would take Trump to whip out a pardon for him? I think Trump would act quickly on that.

Yttrium said:

I wonder how long it would take Trump to whip out a pardon for him? I think Trump would act quickly on that.

Click to expand...

He'd kind of have to... having two personal attorneys in the slammer at the same time is pretty embarrassing.

Yttrium said:

I wonder how long it would take Trump to whip out a pardon for him? I think Trump would act quickly on that.

Click to expand...

Ah, but then Rudy would have no choice but to comply with any grand jury subpoenas that might arise. No “pleading the Fifth”.

SimplyMe said:

I found this rather interesting, two former US Attorneys created, based on what has been in the news, a “mock indictment” -- the charges they believe US attorneys may be looking at filing against Rudy Giuliani.

They state, "Nonetheless, with so much information now available, it is helpful to understand the seriousness of Giuliani’s conduct by seeing how it lines up to the crimes proscribed by the federal criminal code and whether there is evidence of criminality in what Ambassador Bill Taylor called the “irregular channel” for conducting foreign policy in Ukraine that involved Giuliani and others. (Taylor, a former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, currently heads the U.S. embassy in Ukraine as Chief of Mission.)"

The three charges they include in their indictment are: Conspiracy to Defraud the United States, Conspiracy to Commit Bribery, and Contempt of Congress. They also admit that they are limited by the information that has been reported in the news and that additional charges would be likely, since the US Attorneys have far more information, and they are still investigating.

Click to expand...

Never mind I should have read the whole article first.

Will they do a mock one for Biden's son also, or Comey, or Clapper, or Schiff - or is it a site that only goes after one party.

Wait - don't answer that, I already know the answer.

yougottabekidding said:

Will they do a mock one for Biden's son also, or Comey, or Clapper, or Schiff - or is it a site that only goes after one party.

Wait - don't answer that, I already know the answer.

Click to expand...

If you want to discuss Biden's son why don't you start a thread about that?

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

ArmenianJohn said:

If you want to discuss Biden's son why don't you start a thread about that?

Whataboutism - Wikipedia

Click to expand...

Don't have to - thread is based on a "what if" fictitious article. It's perfectly logical to ask if the source does the other side also. Pointing out obvious bias many times is used to show the fallacy of the thread. Of course some who would like to use the fiction as an opportunity to bash and insult one side is quite common.

Additionally, the subject of my question was not Biden's son, nor any of the others I mentioned. The subject of my question was in fact the source of the fictitious article.

Obviously the mere mention of impropriety, is offensive to his supporters and handlers and they have to jump to his defense through distraction. Even when he isn't the subject of the question.

Good try at deflection - failed miserably in my opinion, but a good try regardless.

Yttrium said:

I wonder how long it would take Trump to whip out a pardon for him? I think Trump would act quickly on that.

Click to expand...

Actually it all depends. If RG ended up turning on Trump like Cohen did, I don't see a pardon in the near future nor any time in the future.

SimplyMe said:

I found this rather interesting, two former US Attorneys created, based on what has been in the news, a “mock indictment” -- the charges they believe US attorneys may be looking at filing against Rudy Giuliani.

They state, "Nonetheless, with so much information now available, it is helpful to understand the seriousness of Giuliani’s conduct by seeing how it lines up to the crimes proscribed by the federal criminal code and whether there is evidence of criminality in what Ambassador Bill Taylor called the “irregular channel” for conducting foreign policy in Ukraine that involved Giuliani and others. (Taylor, a former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, currently heads the U.S. embassy in Ukraine as Chief of Mission.)"

The three charges they include in their indictment are: Conspiracy to Defraud the United States, Conspiracy to Commit Bribery, and Contempt of Congress. They also admit that they are limited by the information that has been reported in the news and that additional charges would be likely, since the US Attorneys have far more information, and they are still investigating.

Click to expand...

Trump’s campaign manager Manafort is in jail. One of his crimes was lobbying for a foreign government without registering with the Federal government. Giulliani was neither a Federal employee, nor a registered lobbiest. He is also associated with two Ukrainians who made illegal campaign contributions to a Republican super pac.

DavidPT said:

Actually it all depends. If RG ended up turning on Trump like Cohen did, I don't see a pardon in the near future nor any time in the future.

Click to expand...

True, but I get the distinct impression that Rudy is very enthusiastic about being Donald's attack dog, and won't turn on him.

dqhall said:

Trump’s campaign manager Manafort is in jail

Click to expand...

He was campaign manager for 90 days.

The crimes' he was convicted of happened years before Trump ran for office. Just posting for clarity sake

yougottabekidding said:

He was campaign manager for 90 days.

The crimes' he was convicted of happened years before Trump ran for office. Just posting for clarity sake

Click to expand...

There is evidence Trump lied about his income on loan applications (bank fraud) as well. His tax returns may show he did not report the same amount of income to the tax authorities. A case of obstruction of justice may be made as President Nixon was in deep trouble for doing what Trump did.

yougottabekidding said:

Don't have to - thread is based on a "what if" fictitious article. It's perfectly logical to ask if the source does the other side also.

Click to expand...

The article is not fictitious. Feel free to show me how the article is fictitious, but I know you won't be able to. And how is Biden's son "the other side" to anything? Is Biden's son another attorney for the President??? When did that happen?

yougottabekidding said:

Pointing out obvious bias many times is used to show the fallacy of the thread. Of course some who would like to use the fiction as an opportunity to bash and insult one side is quite common.

Click to expand...

Where is the bias? Looking at the facts about a corrupt lawyer is bashing? Why are you so hyper-defensive about Giuliani? Paranoia in the Trump camp is off the charts.

yougottabekidding said:

Additionally, the subject of my question was not Biden's son, nor any of the others I mentioned. The subject of my question was in fact the source of the fictitious article.

Click to expand...

You brought up Biden's son, he was definitely the subject of your question. You asked that they do a mock indictment for Biden's son - can't get much clearer than that.

yougottabekidding said:

Obviously the mere mention of impropriety, is offensive to his supporters and handlers and they have to jump to his defense through distraction. Even when he isn't the subject of the question.

Click to expand...

I disagree. Trump has been accused of impropriety and much, much worse. His supporters and handlers do get offended and jump to his defense through distraction but it's for much more than just impropriety. Let's face it, Trump is a very corrupt person who has a habit of lying and so do the people he hires, like Giuliani.

yougottabekidding said:

Good try at deflection - failed miserably in my opinion, but a good try regardless.

Click to expand...

What deflection? Your whataboutism was the attempt at deflection, and a poor one at that. Read the article - I provided it to you so you could learn something. Your attempt at deflection was very transparent.