The Kurds didn’t help in WW2 or during D-Day..

Kentonio · Oct 11, 2019

Come on now, where were the Kurds during the War of Northern Aggression? They hung Lee out to dry but expect support now? BAD PEOPLE!

Jonathan Walkerin · Oct 11, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
The Kurds aren't even a state, which in itself precludes them from being an ally. Whereas Turkey is actual state and a member of NATO too boot, for what it's worth...

Definition of an ally does not necessarily mean state or nation. Nor does being formally allied mean someone is in fact an ally in any real sense.

As US well knows, treaties are just words on the paper that can be shredded easily enough when convenient.

Like Saudi Arabia, an ally, while being fundamentalist ultra nuts who hate most of the values US is supposed to stand for.

Aryeh Jay · Oct 11, 2019

John P. Alexander said:
This man is a fool and the lack of right wing responses in this thread says a lot.

What do we need to say? Did the disloyal Kurds help us at Normandy or WW2? NO! They didn’t!

Trump is right (as always); we don’t need these people that left us to defeat Germany, Italy, and Japan by ourselves and make the world free and safe.

cow451 · Oct 11, 2019

Kentonio said:
Come on now, where were the Kurds during the War of Northern Aggression? They hung Lee out to dry but expect support now? BAD PEOPLE!

They cut and ran during Sherman’s retreat to the sea. They took the first plane out when Yankee troops got close to Atlanta.

SoldierOfTheKing · Oct 11, 2019

Allandavid said:
My, my...how quickly things change. As long as they were licking Trump’s boots, not a word of criticism for them...

Of the three you mentioned, only Little Marco even voted Trump.

Allandavid said:
And what of people like Will Hurd, Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, John Shimkus, H.R.McMaster, Pat McCrory, Mike Huckabee...all have been scathing in their criticism of Trump’s abandonment of his Kurdish allies. Are we to ignore them also...?

Kentonio · Oct 11, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Of the three you mentioned, only Little Marco even voted Trump.

Lindsay Graham has been one of Trump’s biggest sycophants for a long time now. Hilarious to see how quickly you all throw him under the bus, just like you did Jeff Sessions.

SoldierOfTheKing · Oct 11, 2019

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Definition of an ally does not necessarily mean state or nation. Nor does being formally allied mean someone is in fact an ally in any real sense.

This is a no true Scotsman fallacy. If you're going to contest a commonly accepted definition, you need spell out precisely what definition you are using and explain why you think that definition is better than the commonly accepted one. The fact remains that for better or for worse, we at least have a mutual defense treaty with Turkey. We have no such treaty with the Kurds. In fact, we can't for the simple reason that there is no Kurdish state with which to sign such a treaty.

Jonathan Walkerin said:
As US well knows, treaties are just words on the paper that can be shredded easily enough when convenient.

Sometimes treaties need to be changed, or even renounced all together, whether due to changing political realities, or perhaps the treaty was ill-considered to begin with.

Jonathan Walkerin said:
Like Saudi Arabia, an ally, while being fundamentalist ultra nuts who hate most of the values US is supposed to stand for.

Because that has absolutely zero to do with the commonly accepted definition of an ally.

sdowney717 · Oct 11, 2019

JackRT said:
The Kurds were one of our most effective allies in the fight against ISIS. To allow the Turks to destroy them is idiotic and unforgivable.

20% of Turkey's population is Kurdish, and half of all Kurds live in Turkey, so no Turkey is not destroying the Kurds. Turkey is no friend of ISIS either. Turkey is doing this why? they say because of border security problems. Turkey considers the Kurds south of the border as potential enemies of Turkey and a radicalization threat to other Kurds living in Turkey. I imagine kurds have left Turkey to join with this other group of Kurds in Syria. Radicalization cuts many different ways in the middle east.

Turkey is also our Nato ally. Maybe that ought to mean something to some people.
Should Turkey be an ally in Nato, with a joint defense forces treaty in place?
And if no, then why not?

iluvatar5150 · Oct 11, 2019

Kentonio said:
Come on now, where were the Kurds during the War of Northern Aggression? They hung Lee out to dry but expect support now? BAD PEOPLE!

Why do you think the Yankees love curds so much? Everybody know the best curds are in the north.

Also, in case anybody doubted whether the correct side won - I just discovered that we have goat cheese curds:

Vermont Goat Cheddar Curds

JackRT · Oct 11, 2019

SoldierOfTheKing said:
Sometimes treaties need to be changed, or even renounced all together, whether due to changing political realities, or perhaps the treaty was ill-considered to begin with.

The USA has broken nearly every treaty made with the Indian nations. Few if any were actually revoked --- they were simply ignored.

DaisyDay · Oct 11, 2019

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Okay. Who (/what) owns billions of acres world wide. Millions (or thousands?) of times MORE THAN ANYONE ELSE......

Queen Elisabeth II - but so what?

Allandavid · Oct 11, 2019

And, right on cue, Trump’s disloyal decision creates opportunities for ISIS to regroup...

Isis militants break out of prison in Syria after bombing by Turkey

Nithavela · Oct 11, 2019

Allandavid said:
And, right on cue, Trump’s disloyal decision creates opportunities for ISIS to regroup...

Isis militants break out of prison in Syria after bombing by Turkey

Yuge blunder. Repercussions will be bigly.

TLK Valentine · Oct 13, 2019

FreeinChrist said:
The bold is by me -
Iraq Levies - Wikipedia

By 1942, the Iraq Levies consisted of a Headquarters, a Depot, Specialist Assyrian companies, 40 service companies and the 1st Parachute Company, which consisted of 75% Assyrian and 25% Kurd. The new Iraq Levies Disciplinary Code was based largely on the Indian Army Act.

By 1943 the Iraq Levies strength stood at 166 British officers controlling 44 companies; 22 Assyrian, five Mixed Assyrian/Yizidi, ten Kurdish, four Marsh Arabs, and three Baluchi. Eleven Assyrian companies served in Palestine and another four served in Cyprus. The Parachute Company was attached to the Royal Marine Commando and were active in Albania, Italy and Greece. In 1943/1944 the Iraq Levies were renamed the Royal Air Force Levies.

In 1945, after the Second World War, the Levies were reduced to 60 British officers and 1,900 other ranks. The RAF Regiment took over command of the Levies and Army personnel were gradually replaced by RAF personnel. During October 1946 the Levies battalions were redesignated as wings and squadrons to conform to the RAF Regiment procedure. In December the Kurdish Squadrons in Cyprus and the Persian Gulf were returned to Iran.

Education is a wise thing to obtain.

And as a follow up, Turkey was neutral in WWII up until February of 1945, where they joined the allies in name only -- no Turkish troops ever saw combat.

Aryeh Jay · Oct 13, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
And as a follow up, Turkey was neutral in WWII up until February of 1945, where they joined the allies in name only -- no Turkish troops ever saw combat.

But they joined the winning side! Hurrah for Turkey!

TLK Valentine · Oct 13, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
But they joined the winning side! Hurrah for Turkey!

Are you referring to the Allies or Donald?

Aryeh Jay · Oct 13, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
Are you referring to the Allies or Donald?

Shirley they are both winners.

Kentonio · Oct 13, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
no Turkish troops ever saw combat.

See, they do have something in common with the Donald.

JackRT · Oct 13, 2019

Aryeh Jay said:
Shirley they are both winners.

Don't call me Surely.

FreeinChrist · Oct 13, 2019

TLK Valentine said:
And as a follow up, Turkey was neutral in WWII up until February of 1945, where they joined the allies in name only -- no Turkish troops ever saw combat.

Interesting. It is like Russia joining the war against Japan after the bomb dropped in Hiroshima, but then expected the US to 'split' Japan' like was done with Germany. Gen. MacArthur told the Russians what they can do with that idea! They didn't have any troops involved against Japan.

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