People are doubling down on their racism and xenophobia

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Favoritism is why the government settled Pigford v. Glickman. Favoritism gave us segregated neighborhoods through redlining. Favoritism has also resulted in job discrimination and sentencing disparities in criminal justice. I don't understand why you're asking "what about" when I've pointed to things both in the present and the past that show favoritism with effects of those systems still felt to this day.

I don't think favoritism is the motive behind disparities in criminal justice. There might be some benefits for the black community itself in those longer sentences, especially for young black men.
 
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People who call out the fact that people are being treated differently because of their skin color are racist? Yeah, where have I heard that before? :rolleyes:

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Someone doubles down on their racism and somehow it is the fault of the people that call out their racism that is the problem. I guess we should go back to the era of smiling and nodding despite the unequal treatment. Likewise, we should accept the idea of attacking people's religious freedom despite many early immigrants to the North American continent came due religious persecution. And while we're a nation where people come here speaking another language, there continues to be attacks on the character of these people; speaking Spanish is a problem, but you don't see these people screaming at people for speaking Italian or Polish. Yes, the real problem is pushing back against bigotry and those that double down on their bigotry are the true heroes because they're "telling it like it is."

Not being able to communicate in English is indeed a problem in the U.S.
 
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If you want people to recant their racism....there has to be forgiveness and understanding when they do. I can't remember the last time that happened.

Laws don’t change hearts. If I think you’re worthless anti-discrimination laws won’t change that.

The ability to see you as a valuable member of society begins within. You can’t legislate my love or respect.

I don’t have to accept you. That’s the bottom line.
 
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Someone doubles down on their racism and somehow it is the fault of the people that call out their racism that is the problem.

When someone doubles down like this around me...I laugh at their ignorance and maybe (very rarely) I will take the time to educate them a little.

I guess we should go back to the era of smiling and nodding despite the unequal treatment.

I don't see any monolithic unequal treatment around today, usually it's just a few ignorant ones here and there.

Likewise, we should accept the idea of attacking people's religious freedom despite many early immigrants to the North American continent came due religious persecution.

I don't see this happening here either. Once in a while, I hear some wacko attacks a Church or Mosque or Synagogue...but there is no consensus to move against any religion.

And while we're a nation where people come here speaking another language, there continues to be attacks on the character of these people; speaking Spanish is a problem, but you don't see these people screaming at people for speaking Italian or Polish.

All the different people groups have had their fair share of abuse.


Yes, the real problem is pushing back against bigotry and those that double down on their bigotry are the true heroes because they're "telling it like it is."

bigot (n.)
1590s, "sanctimonious person, religious hypocrite," from French bigot (12c.), which is of unknown origin. Sense extended 1680s to other than religious opinions.

Earliest French use of the word is as the name of a people apparently in southern Gaul, which led to the theory, now considered doubtful on phonetic grounds, that the word comes from Visigothus. The typical use in Old French seems to have been as a derogatory nickname for Normans, leading to another theory (not universally accepted) that traces it to the Normans' (alleged) frequent use of the Germanic oath bi God. OED dismisses in a three-exclamation-mark fury one fanciful version of the "by god" theory as "absurdly incongruous with facts." At the end, not much is left standing except Spanish bigote "mustache," which also has been proposed as the origin of the word, but not explained, so the chief virtue of that theory is the lack of evidence for or against it.

In support of the "by God" theory the surnames Bigott, Bygott are attested in Normandy and in England from the 11c., and French name-etymology sources (such as Dauzat) explain it as a derogatory name applied by the French to the Normans and representing "by god." The English were known as goddamns 200 years later in Joan of Arc's France, and during World War I Americans serving in France were said to be known as les sommobiches (see son of a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]) for their characteristic oaths. But the sense development in bigot would be difficult to explain. According to Donkin, the modern use first appears in French in 16c. This and the earliest English sense, "religious hypocrite," especially a female one, might have been influenced by or confused with beguine (q.v.) and the words that cluster around it.

bigot | Origin and meaning of bigot by Online Etymology Dictionary

These people have been calling each other derogatory names for centuries, it's nothing new. I don't take any of this personally, because they are simply exposing their own uninformed opinions.
 
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We will never convince the racists and xenophobic so to see things differently, IMO. Look at the cognitive dissonance and denial. Look at how they take pleasure in subtlety denigrating blacks and immigrants.

They are in the minority. We are going to vote out the authoritarian white supremecist that legitimizes their hatred. We are going to continue to elevate the voices and power of underrepresented groups. So many apathetic people are now awake, thank you Donald! So many women have joined congress, thank you Donald! We are now having real conversations about reparations, thank you Donald!

I for one will be traveling to Florida to help flip the state when the time comes. It’s time to choose what kind of country we will be, and I think that the American people are going to do the right thing.
 
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We will never convince the racists and xenophobic so to see things differently, IMO. Look at the cognitive dissonance and denial. Look at how they take pleasure in subtlety denigrating blacks and immigrants.

They are in the minority. We are going to vote out the authoritarian white supremecist that legitimizes their hatred. We are going to continue to elevate the voices and power of underrepresented groups. So many apathetic people are now awake, thank you Donald! So many women have joined congress, thank you Donald! We are now having real conversations about reparations, thank you Donald!

I for one will be traveling to Florida to help flip the state when the time comes. It’s time to choose what kind of country we will be, and I think that the American people are going to do the right thing.
lol. you only make things worse
 
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lol. you only make things worse
Worse for the racists, sure. Looking at how much we changed the face of congress in the midterms, I’m pretty optimistic about 2020. There are policies that I’ve supported for decades being brought forth in a real way.
 
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They are in the minority. We are going to vote out the authoritarian white supremecist that legitimizes their hatred. We are going to continue to elevate the voices and power of underrepresented groups. So many apathetic people are now awake, thank you Donald! So many women have joined congress, thank you Donald! We are now having real conversations about reparations, thank you Donald!
I admire your optimism.
 
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Just the white ones?
Yes. I’m not aware of any black supremecist or Latino supremecist societies, certainly we don’t have that here. It’s white supremacy that’s a problem. But why am I debating you? I don’t need to change your mind, nor could I.
 
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Yes. I’m not aware of any black supremecist or Latino supremecist societies, certainly we don’t have that here. It’s white supremacy that’s a problem. But why am I debating you? I don’t need to change your mind, nor could I.
Sure, only whites are racist. More kool aid?
 
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People are doubling down on their racism and xenophobia


Of course they are, they now feel emboldened. They've always held these prejudice and bigoted views, but they knew it was not okay to express these views in a post-Civil Rights era. However, the cycle has come full circle and they feel it is time to express those old 1950s views. We can certainly see the America they consider great; it's an America where they freely wave their racist flags and attack you if you call them out on it.

I don't think an apology is needed, they're showing what's in their hearts, what needs to be resisted is normalizing their behavior and treating their statements as just another view. By their very language, we can see they consider other people less than and not worthy of equal treatment.

When I saw title of this thread in the side panel , it read:

"People are doubling down on..."

And then you'd have to click to find out what, and my first thought was: their doctrines.

(doctrines held in substitute/replacement/avoidance of humble listening)

And in a way, something similar happens with racism and nativism: they have ideas about the other people, the group(s) that is/are dehumanized, instead of seeing them as people (as they really are, valuable).
 
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something similar happens with racism and nativism

Racism sees colors instead of people and nativism sees countries instead of individuals.
 
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