Me, myself and I - lost - died spiritually

Simon Nurminen · Jul 7, 2019

I loved the Lord and served Him. Then I fell away from His love and grace. I was graffed into the original olive tree. Now living this hell without the flames and its horrors. During the time of falling my love grew cold and I had a heart which tried several times to apostatize. Being forced by the devil, it apostatized. My mind didn't. Consequently, I lost the Holy Spirit and I died spiritually. The living Lord disappeared from my life. I became as dead as possible. I just live having no thoughts. Furthermore, I'm full of pride and selfishness. It is so weak to get humble. Hebrews 6:4-6. The love died from my soul when the heart apostatized. I ruined the personal relationship with the Lord. Ending up in hell... Nobody ever understands me...

Dave L · Jul 7, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
I loved the Lord and served Him. Then I fell away from His love and grace. I was graffed into the original olive tree. Now living this hell without the flames and its horrors. During the time of falling my love grew cold and I had a heart which tried several times to apostatize. Being forced by the devil, it apostatized. My mind didn't. Consequently, I lost the Holy Spirit and I died spiritually. The living Lord disappeared from my life. I became as dead as possible. I just live having no thoughts. Furthermore, I'm full of pride and selfishness. It is so weak to get humble. Hebrews 6:4-6. The love died from my soul when the heart apostatized. I ruined the personal relationship with the Lord. Ending up in hell... Nobody ever understands me...

From THE BONDAGE OF THE WILL By Martin Luther page 100

First, God has assuredly promised his grace to the humble [I Peter 5:5], that is, to those who lament and despair of themselves. But no man can be thoroughly humbled until he knows that his salvation is utterly beyond his own powers, devices, endeavors, will, and works, and depends entirely on the choice, will, and work of another, namely, of God alone. For as long as he is persuaded that he himself can do even the least thing toward his salvation, he retains some self-confidence and does not altogether despair of himself, and therefore he is not humbled before God, but presumes that there is—or at least hopes or desires that there may be—some place, time, and work for him, by which he may at length attain to salvation. But when a man has no doubt that everything depends on the will of God, then he completely despairs of himself and chooses nothing for himself, but waits for God to work; then he has come close to grace, and can be saved.

It is thus for the sake of the elect that these things are published, in order that being humbled and brought back to nothingness by this means they may be saved. The rest resist this humiliation, indeed they condemn this teaching of self-despair, wishing for something, however little, to be left for them to do themselves; so they remain secretly proud and enemies of the grace of God. This, I say, is one reason, namely, that the godly, being humbled, may recognize, call upon, and receive the grace of God.

Heavenhome · Jul 7, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
I loved the Lord and served Him. Then I fell away from His love and grace. I was graffed into the original olive tree. Now living this hell without the flames and its horrors. During the time of falling my love grew cold and I had a heart which tried several times to apostatize. Being forced by the devil, it apostatized. My mind didn't. Consequently, I lost the Holy Spirit and I died spiritually. The living Lord disappeared from my life. I became as dead as possible. I just live having no thoughts. Furthermore, I'm full of pride and selfishness. It is so weak to get humble. Hebrews 6:4-6. The love died from my soul when the heart apostatized. I ruined the personal relationship with the Lord. Ending up in hell... Nobody ever understands me...

There is only one that can understand you and that is GOD.
If you will come to Him and your repentance is from the heart, He will in NO way cast you out.
This is the truth.
This is what God Himself says.
You have nothing of your own doing that can bring you salvation other than a broken heart and contrite spirit.
As soon as you turn to Him, He will be there for you.

Sound Doctrine · Jul 7, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
I loved the Lord and served Him. Then I fell away from His love and grace. I was graffed into the original olive tree. Now living this hell without the flames and its horrors. During the time of falling my love grew cold and I had a heart which tried several times to apostatize. Being forced by the devil, it apostatized. My mind didn't. Consequently, I lost the Holy Spirit and I died spiritually. The living Lord disappeared from my life. I became as dead as possible. I just live having no thoughts. Furthermore, I'm full of pride and selfishness. It is so weak to get humble. Hebrews 6:4-6. The love died from my soul when the heart apostatized. I ruined the personal relationship with the Lord. Ending up in hell... Nobody ever understands me...

Your understanding of Hebrews 6:4-6 is skewed. Many people incorrectly believe those verses speak of a saved person who leaves the faith of their own volition and can never return to it. This is a false interpretation. It also contradicts the parable of the prodigal son. It contradicts the parable of Jesus being the shepherd with 100 sheep, one wanders off and Jesus goes and brings him back into the fold. It is impossible for anyone to lose their salvation, if indeed they had it in the first place, which brings me back to Hebrews 6:4-6.

Those verses speak of the person who from the parable of the sower, live among the thorns and briers and although they receive the word of God and start to grow in it, never come to salvation and bear fruit. In other words, they are not yet believers. In Hebrews, those verses speak of a person who has done everything but believe. Partaking of the Holy Spirit does not mean that the Spirit indwells the person. When we partake of the Holy Spirit, it can be done by fellowship with believers or even by reading and understanding the Bible, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The word used in Hebrews is PARTAKE, not dwell within, so it is not referring to one who has the Spirit dwelling within him.

Furthermore, Jesus sends us the Spirit who will NEVER leave us or forsake us. You may have been enlightened and even partaken, but have you actually believed? If so, Jesus will go out and bring you back into the fold.

Jeshu · Jul 7, 2019

An invitation to The Chosen.

God's Love will not take or will
you to conform to rules or demand
which imprison, enslave, burn or kill you.

God's Love will not pervert what's Good
The Lord loves truthfully Wise and Good.
True Love was, is and always will be Good!

In God's Love you are free to be right!
In His love everything is good proper and kind.
He loves all who love good and true to rule!

His Love is caring, providing, and sharing.
His Love always enjoys and protects good life.
His love rules even when bad life has being in us!

Hear Jesus call - 'Come join up with us all!
Leave whatever ties you down and be free
loving good life with all God's own to be.'

To the rest in your heart God's asks
how long will you tarry in the darkness?
Please leave such bad existence within.

For life must not, no never should, or would, or could,
be forceful, rude, prideful, arrogant, selfish, lustful
or otherwise be untrue to God's loving truth.

Neither should life be hurting or ill,
hungry, oppressed, despised, hated
or otherwise have existence in wrong.

Please hand your Bad Life over to Jesus
Humbly ask for His Good Life back in return
and go love God, self and neighbour with Joy.

The Church knows that Jesus is coming soon
All bad life will be our shameful past then,
so please leave your bad life while you can!

Love

Pepper77 · Jul 7, 2019

Sound Doctrine said:
Your understanding of Hebrews 6:4-6 is skewed. Many people incorrectly believe those verses speak of a saved person who leaves the faith of their own volition and can never return to it. This is a false interpretation. It also contradicts the parable of the prodigal son. It contradicts the parable of Jesus being the shepherd with 100 sheep, one wanders off and Jesus goes and brings him back into the fold. It is impossible for anyone to lose their salvation, if indeed they had it in the first place, which brings me back to Hebrews 6:4-6.

Those verses speak of the person who from the parable of the sower, live among the thorns and briers and although they receive the word of God and start to grow in it, never come to salvation and bear fruit. In other words, they are not yet believers. In Hebrews, those verses speak of a person who has done everything but believe. Partaking of the Holy Spirit does not mean that the Spirit indwells the person. When we partake of the Holy Spirit, it can be done by fellowship with believers or even by reading and understanding the Bible, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The word used in Hebrews is PARTAKE, not dwell within, so it is not referring to one who has the Spirit dwelling within him.

Furthermore, Jesus sends us the Spirit who will NEVER leave us or forsake us. You may have been enlightened and even partaken, but have you actually believed? If so, Jesus will go out and bring you back into the fold.

Yes all true. Hebrews is misunderstood so often.

Dave G. · Jul 7, 2019

Sound Doctrine said:
Your understanding of Hebrews 6:4-6 is skewed. Many people incorrectly believe those verses speak of a saved person who leaves the faith of their own volition and can never return to it. This is a false interpretation. It also contradicts the parable of the prodigal son. It contradicts the parable of Jesus being the shepherd with 100 sheep, one wanders off and Jesus goes and brings him back into the fold. It is impossible for anyone to lose their salvation, if indeed they had it in the first place, which brings me back to Hebrews 6:4-6.

Those verses speak of the person who from the parable of the sower, live among the thorns and briers and although they receive the word of God and start to grow in it, never come to salvation and bear fruit. In other words, they are not yet believers. In Hebrews, those verses speak of a person who has done everything but believe. Partaking of the Holy Spirit does not mean that the Spirit indwells the person. When we partake of the Holy Spirit, it can be done by fellowship with believers or even by reading and understanding the Bible, which is inspired by the Holy Spirit. The word used in Hebrews is PARTAKE, not dwell within, so it is not referring to one who has the Spirit dwelling within him.

Furthermore, Jesus sends us the Spirit who will NEVER leave us or forsake us. You may have been enlightened and even partaken, but have you actually believed? If so, Jesus will go out and bring you back into the fold.

Now that's a good word brother ! So many people incorrectly condemn themselves with Hebrews 6:4-6 and so quickly drop everything they have been taught or were taught weak doctrine in the first place.

Agapeos1080 · Jul 7, 2019

Hi there, I saw your post and though I really dont know what to say to help or the best way to try to encourage, I just want to let you know you are not alone and I am experiencing a similar if not the same issue. I messed up bad and ended up making a really awful series of decisions and compromises that snowballed into increasingly worse and even directly against anything good or godly. in the process of my reasoning, stubbornness, demonic and/or self deception i lost my witness, the person I t thought I was destined to be with had i not sinned, (or at least a huge opportunity to stay strong and bring someone to Christ), almost all of my physical and mental health, and worst of all my relationship with the lord and now possibly any potential for a mate or to even try to be good enough to get into heaven /: my heart really goes out to you and though I dont know how to fix things like this and we feel damned beyond repair so i know nothing I or most people can say to make it better, just please know you're not alone and others are suffering the similar consequences and struggles. God is still good and though he loves and cares for us and desires good things from us he can not forsake his law and he leaves it up to us to try to follow him in spite of all these things. I think even when we fall this far and this bad somehow he still tries to reach out to us to try to turn us toward him. I still am hopeful of his mercy for all of us that have gone astray on such serious matters of especially when we acknowledge what we have done and the extent of our powerlessness without him. I'm not sure what happened or what you've been through but I hope things turn around for you soon and you will be able to see the hope love light and glory of God in it all. it May not seem like it and it may never feel like it at all but you are loved and I'm hoping things will get better some how some way soon and God will knit everything back together for your good and his glory.

Simon Nurminen · Jul 8, 2019

To this stone heart it is hard to repent sincerely. The case in which I'm is: I didn't abide in Christ. John 15:6. In a prayer when I had doubts, satan overcame me and destroyed my connection to the Lord. The falling started...
At the end of that falling, he questioned why to have a relationship with Jesus. I was powerless to answer and immediately I felt something leaving me. Next morning I felt the absence of the Holy Spirit whose presence I always felt 24/7. The world changed in my eyes: it is like there is no God. I know He is for I have had personal experience. I had it all, the abundant life, I lost it all, everything: blessings and the most important, God Himself. I feel that I have no soul. No love.

Bobber · Jul 8, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
To this stone heart it is hard to repent sincerely.

Oh stop! Just repent and do it sincerely! Every single one of us are faced with the same challenges that you are. If the thought comes you're not sincere than stand against it and declare you are and back it up with actions. Now YOU control your actions and don't tell us you can't.

SarahsKnight · Jul 8, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
I loved the Lord and served Him. Then I fell away from His love and grace. I was graffed into the original olive tree. Now living this hell without the flames and its horrors. During the time of falling my love grew cold and I had a heart which tried several times to apostatize. Being forced by the devil, it apostatized. My mind didn't. Consequently, I lost the Holy Spirit and I died spiritually. The living Lord disappeared from my life. I became as dead as possible. I just live having no thoughts. Furthermore, I'm full of pride and selfishness. It is so weak to get humble. Hebrews 6:4-6. The love died from my soul when the heart apostatized. I ruined the personal relationship with the Lord. Ending up in hell... Nobody ever understands me...

Take heart, Simon. If you truly turned against Christ for all time I sincerely doubt you would even talk about it with this kind of obvious regret. I will pray that no matter what has actually happened to you, no matter how you may have fallen, that God will bless and keep you. Jesus Christ's blood covers a greater multitude of sins and I believe even times of faithlessness that any of us will probably ever truly realize.

Pepper77 · Jul 8, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
To this stone heart it is hard to repent sincerely. The case in which I'm is: I didn't abide in Christ. John 15:6. In a prayer when I had doubts, satan overcame me and destroyed my connection to the Lord. The falling started...
At the end of that falling, he questioned why to have a relationship with Jesus. I was powerless to answer and immediately I felt something leaving me. Next morning I felt the absence of the Holy Spirit whose presence I always felt 24/7. The world changed in my eyes: it is like there is no God. I know He is for I have had personal experience. I had it all, the abundant life, I lost it all, everything: blessings and the most important, God Himself. I feel that I have no soul. No love.

Abiding in Christ is simply remaining, living, having your abode

Simon Nurminen said:
To this stone heart it is hard to repent sincerely. The case in which I'm is: I didn't abide in Christ. John 15:6. In a prayer when I had doubts, satan overcame me and destroyed my connection to the Lord. The falling started...
At the end of that falling, he questioned why to have a relationship with Jesus. I was powerless to answer and immediately I felt something leaving me. Next morning I felt the absence of the Holy Spirit whose presence I always felt 24/7. The world changed in my eyes: it is like there is no God. I know He is for I have had personal experience. I had it all, the abundant life, I lost it all, everything: blessings and the most important, God Himself. I feel that I have no soul. No love.

To abide means to remain, to stay. Once we are truly born of the Spirit by faith, The Spirit is our guarantee by faith. God does not let go of us because we are in His Son, joined to Him. Satan is the great accuser but He cannot do what you claim He did to you. A true believer’s life is hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:3. Your old man died. The Christian life is not all about feelings. I don’t feel the Spirit of Christ with me. But I know He is because I believe and trust God. Do I have doubts at times? Absolutely.... but we have to bring our minds back to what God says... “Nothing... neither principalities or powers (Satan and his minions included in this) shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord“. Romans 8:38-39 abbreviated. God keeps us not the other way around once we have been born of the Spirit. There is too much experiential Christianity and mysticism being offered today instead of truth, and too much power being given to Satan that he absolutely does not have over those who belong to Christ.

Dave G. · Jul 8, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
To this stone heart it is hard to repent sincerely. The case in which I'm is: I didn't abide in Christ. John 15:6. In a prayer when I had doubts, satan overcame me and destroyed my connection to the Lord. The falling started...
At the end of that falling, he questioned why to have a relationship with Jesus. I was powerless to answer and immediately I felt something leaving me. Next morning I felt the absence of the Holy Spirit whose presence I always felt 24/7. The world changed in my eyes: it is like there is no God. I know He is for I have had personal experience. I had it all, the abundant life, I lost it all, everything: blessings and the most important, God Himself. I feel that I have no soul. No love.

Our assurance of salvation and the presence of the HS is scriptural and spiritual truth, not found in emotionalism. You're mixing up emotional experiences with those truths. You can easily break fellowship with God but He never leaves us nor forsakes us assuming we have Him to begin with. Stop listening to satanic lies whispering in your ears. It's not truth, truth is found in true bible doctrine, in scripture, and you can restore fellowship by trusting in God and agreeing with Him and walking with Him.

Pepper77 said:
Abiding in Christ is simply remaining, living, having your abode

To abide means to remain, to stay. Once we are truly born of the Spirit by faith, The Spirit is our guarantee by faith. God does not let go of us because we are in His Son, joined to Him. Satan is the great accuser but He cannot do what you claim He did to you. A true believer’s life is hidden with Christ in God. Col 3:3. Your old man died. The Christian life is not all about feelings. I don’t feel the Spirit of Christ with me. But I know He is because I believe and trust God. Do I have doubts at times? Absolutely.... but we have to bring our minds back to what God says... “Nothing... neither principalities or powers (Satan and his minions included in this) shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord“. Romans 8:38-39 abbreviated. God keeps us not the other way around once we have been born of the Spirit. There is too much experiential Christianity and mysticism being offered today instead of truth, and too much power being given to Satan that he absolutely does not have over those who belong to Christ.

Amen Sister, you said it better than I was going to.

Alien Lotus · Jul 8, 2019

Simon Nurminen said:
I loved the Lord and served Him. Then I fell away from His love and grace. I was graffed into the original olive tree. Now living this hell without the flames and its horrors. During the time of falling my love grew cold and I had a heart which tried several times to apostatize. Being forced by the devil, it apostatized. My mind didn't. Consequently, I lost the Holy Spirit and I died spiritually. The living Lord disappeared from my life. I became as dead as possible. I just live having no thoughts. Furthermore, I'm full of pride and selfishness. It is so weak to get humble. Hebrews 6:4-6. The love died from my soul when the heart apostatized. I ruined the personal relationship with the Lord. Ending up in hell... Nobody ever understands me...

Firstly, don't be afraid. God does not remove his grace from you just because you feel as if you've fallen away from God.
God is always there inside you. Waiting for you to turn inward and come home. God knows everywhere you have been and all the glorious places you shall travel. And you are not forsaken of God.
Sometimes we think of God in human terms and relationship. We left God so God said, fine, you don't want me, I'm out!
That's not a higher power. That's our lower state of being, as humans.
God loves you for all eternity.
Pray, meditate, even Jesus meditated as in the garden of Gethsemane. Prayer is when we speak to God and meditation, it is said, is when God answers.
I have friends who felt as you do. All of you taking different paths so as to feel you've abandoned God.
What they did was pray, one even fasted from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday, the traditional sabbath time, and then because they were not near a living body of water for immediate travel, re-baptized themselves in their bathtub. No lights, just them, God, and a candle. (God is the light in the darkness).
It was their rite of reunion with their faith.
When the left the water all their panic and upset was gone. Washed away. Because God is all and in all.

That's my suggestion for you. You are lovable. Because God knew you before anything was created at all. God is with you and waiting for you to let go of your fear something is blocking your reunion. No thing can do that save for you believing it is possible. Believe instead God is there with open arms as always waiting for you to see God has been there all along.

May peace fill you and the light of our creator guide your steps. Amen.

pearl234 · Nov 23, 2021

Alien Lotus said:
Firstly, don't be afraid. God does not remove his grace from you just because you feel as if you've fallen away from God.
God is always there inside you. Waiting for you to turn inward and come home. God knows everywhere you have been and all the glorious places you shall travel. And you are not forsaken of God.
Sometimes we think of God in human terms and relationship. We left God so God said, fine, you don't want me, I'm out!
That's not a higher power. That's our lower state of being, as humans.
God loves you for all eternity.
Pray, meditate, even Jesus meditated as in the garden of Gethsemane. Prayer is when we speak to God and meditation, it is said, is when God answers.
I have friends who felt as you do. All of you taking different paths so as to feel you've abandoned God.
What they did was pray, one even fasted from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday, the traditional sabbath time, and then because they were not near a living body of water for immediate travel, re-baptized themselves in their bathtub. No lights, just them, God, and a candle. (God is the light in the darkness).
It was their rite of reunion with their faith.
When the left the water all their panic and upset was gone. Washed away. Because God is all and in all.

That's my suggestion for you. You are lovable. Because God knew you before anything was created at all. God is with you and waiting for you to let go of your fear something is blocking your reunion. No thing can do that save for you believing it is possible. Believe instead God is there with open arms as always waiting for you to see God has been there all along.

May peace fill you and the light of our creator guide your steps. Amen.

pearl234 · Nov 23, 2021

Hey are those friends ohk now? do they have love in their hearts?

pearl234 · Nov 23, 2021

Alien Lotus said:
Firstly, don't be afraid. God does not remove his grace from you just because you feel as if you've fallen away from God.
God is always there inside you. Waiting for you to turn inward and come home. God knows everywhere you have been and all the glorious places you shall travel. And you are not forsaken of God.
Sometimes we think of God in human terms and relationship. We left God so God said, fine, you don't want me, I'm out!
That's not a higher power. That's our lower state of being, as humans.
God loves you for all eternity.
Pray, meditate, even Jesus meditated as in the garden of Gethsemane. Prayer is when we speak to God and meditation, it is said, is when God answers.
I have friends who felt as you do. All of you taking different paths so as to feel you've abandoned God.
What they did was pray, one even fasted from sundown Friday until sundown Saturday, the traditional sabbath time, and then because they were not near a living body of water for immediate travel, re-baptized themselves in their bathtub. No lights, just them, God, and a candle. (God is the light in the darkness).
It was their rite of reunion with their faith.
When the left the water all their panic and upset was gone. Washed away. Because God is all and in all.

That's my suggestion for you. You are lovable. Because God knew you before anything was created at all. God is with you and waiting for you to let go of your fear something is blocking your reunion. No thing can do that save for you believing it is possible. Believe instead God is there with open arms as always waiting for you to see God has been there all along.

May peace fill you and the light of our creator guide your stndseps. Amen.

How are your friends doing now?

Mayflower1 · Nov 23, 2021

Simon Nurminen said:
I loved the Lord and served Him. Then I fell away from His love and grace. I was graffed into the original olive tree. Now living this hell without the flames and its horrors. During the time of falling my love grew cold and I had a heart which tried several times to apostatize. Being forced by the devil, it apostatized. My mind didn't. Consequently, I lost the Holy Spirit and I died spiritually. The living Lord disappeared from my life. I became as dead as possible. I just live having no thoughts. Furthermore, I'm full of pride and selfishness. It is so weak to get humble. Hebrews 6:4-6. The love died from my soul when the heart apostatized. I ruined the personal relationship with the Lord. Ending up in hell... Nobody ever understands me...

Welcome to CF, Simon. I'll keep you in my prayers. Believe and confess the Lord Jesus Christ and you can be saved for Heaven.

Mayflower1 · Nov 23, 2021

OH. This was a few years ago. Wow. What a belated welcome. But I hope you are feeling better these days...

sunshineforJesus · Nov 23, 2021

Hi and welcome to the forums.

Me, myself and I - lost - died spiritually

In God's guidance.

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Endure Sound Doctrine

Bought by His Blood

By grace through faith

Well-Known Member

New Member

In God's guidance.

Well-Known Member

Jesus Christ is this Knight's truth.

By grace through faith

Well-Known Member

Active Member

Member

Member

Member

Hello my Name is "Child of the One True King"

Hello my Name is "Child of the One True King"

is so in love with God

Similar threads