Questions about the timing of the thousand years

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

miamited said:
Hi dave,

I didn't say that Jesus' kingdom was of this world. In fact, I think I was quite clear that it wasn't. You're the one who's claiming that the 1,000 year reign of Christ with his believers is the same as Jesus' kingdom. Here was my response to you on the subject:

You then wrote:

I'd ask you to please show me where I said that.

You ended by writing:

I have no idea what 'list' you are referring to. I'm not even trying to define or concoct anything about the kingdom that Jesus was referring to when he said that his kingdom was not of this earth. I'm merely offering my explanation of the 1,000 year reign of Jesus upon the earth with his believers prior to the day of his Father's judgment. That's all. As I think I've been clear to explain, as I understand the Scriptures, the 1,000 year reign of Christ and the kingdom that Jesus spoke of are not a reference to the same place or thing.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

You have only two choices for the timing of the kingdom. This present world. Which Jesus says his kingdom is not part of. And the world to come. Which is forever, not 1000 years.

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

DavidPT said:
Currently I disagree, me being Premil and all. Yet at the same time, at least there is some logic to what you said here. The way I tend to look at things in general is like such. If there is some logic to something it then makes that something at least a possibility.

Jesus rules out a physical kingdom. He says it is not of this world, and it comes without observation.

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

Semper-Fi said:
The bible talks about 3 worlds, the world [that was],
the world [that is], and the world [to come].
All three talks about this same Earth.

[World] G2889 κόσμος kosmos kos'-mos
Probably from the base of G2865; κολυμβος
(to tend, that is, take care of); properly to provide for,
that is, (by implication) to carry off (as if from harm;
generally obtain): - bring, receive.

Abraham is the heir of the world.
We are heirs of the kingdom.

Matthew 4:8 the devil tried to bribe him" all the
kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;..

The bible says we are not of this current world,
even as Jesus is not of the world.

He pictured Himself asthe young nobleman going away
(to heaven) to be coronated, and to return to Earth.

Jesus Kingdom is not of this current [Age].
Revelation 11:15, the seventh angel sounds,
The kingdoms of [this world] are [become] the
kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ.

“in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven
set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed:

and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,
but it shall break in pieces and consume [all these
kingdoms], and it shall stand for ever.”

I will overthrow the throne of kingdoms[Haggai 2:22

The living Christ is coming as “King of kings and
Lord of lords” (Revelation 19:11-21), to put down
the rebellion of warring nations (Revelation 17:14),
and establish God’s world-ruling government over
all the nations (Daniel 2:44; 7:9, 13-14, 18, 22, 27;
Isaiah 9:7).

Will commit thy government into his hand, established
with judgement and jutice.(Isaiah 22:21)
Of the increaseof his government and peace there shall be no end,upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom,...(Isa 9:7)

A picture of the soon time to come on earth.
“And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them,
and judgment was given unto them…and they
lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years”

We pray " thy Kingdom come, thy will be done
in earth, as it is in heaven."

Jesus said: “And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: And he shall rule them with a rod of iron…” (Rev 2:26-27).

And again, “To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne [on this Earth]” (Rev 3:21;
Luke 1:32-33).And, “…we shall reign on the earth”(Revelation 5:10).

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath
appointed unto me;(Luke 22:29)

Parable of some resurrected saints will rule over
10 cities, some over five (Luke 19:12-19). Saints
shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom
for ever, (Daniel 7:18). We shall inherit the earth.
(Psalms 25:13-22:26, 37:9, 22,29)

At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the
Lord; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to
the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem: neither shall they
walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all
kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name,which the mouth of the Lord shall name.
(Isaiah 62:2)

But the millennial kingdom doesn't fit in this present world. Jesus says his kingdom is not part of it. And it doesn't fit in the world to come. It is everlasting without sin, not 1000 years with sin.

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

DavidPT said:
I don't understand what the issue is here though? If we are told in Daniel 7 that Jesus received a kingdom after He had ascended back to heaven, and that we are also told basically the same thing in the parable in Luke 19:11-27, who would even be disputing this kingdom is not of this world? I know I wouldn't be.

I think the problem is in the failure to understand the spiritual nature of the kingdom. And the timing which places it along with Christ at the first advent.

mkgal1 · Jul 1, 2019

DavidPT said:
I would like to pose some questions then.

1----can satan deceive any nations during the thousand years?

2----can satan wage war with anyone during the thousand years?

3----can saints be persecuted and killed during the thousand years?

4----can satan continue to do what is said of him in 1 Peter 5:8, during the thousand years?

5----does satan still act as god of this world during the thousand years, where he can still continue to blind the minds of them which believe not?

6----can anyone begin reigning with Christ after the fact, meaning they weren't yet reigning with Him when the thousand years initially began, but begin reigning with Him at some future point during the thousand years?

DavidPT said:
In order for a position like yours to even work, the 6 questions I posed, all of your answers would have to be no. Because if any of them are yes, the following is what you end up with.

For example, keeping in mind, only hypothetically speaking here since you didn't indicate one way or the other as to how you might answer those 6 questions. Let's say you said yes to number 4. Since you indicated the thousand year reign is forever and you also indicated satan, that during the thousand year reign, he can still do what is said of him in 1 Peter 5:8, that would logically add up to satan doing that forever since the thousand year reign is forever.

What I tend to think you might be neglecting to take into account here, is the following for one.

1 Corinthians 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

For the sake of clarity - this response was to Maria Billingsley on the first page. I quoted it to show that your questions are framed in a specific way that are leading towards one direction (as you allude to when you mention HOW they need to be answered). That's one reason why they aren't being answered.

DavidPT · Jul 1, 2019

mkgal1 said:
For the sake of clarity - this response was to Maria Billingsley on the first page. I quoted it to show that your questions are framed in a specific way that are leading towards one direction (as you allude to when you mention HOW they need to be answered). That's one reason why they aren't being answered.

My intentions in the OP were not to set a trap of some kind, but to try and determine what can and cannot occur during the thousand years. For example. If the thousand years have been underway for the past 2000 years, the text in Rev 20 indicates satan can't deceive the nations during the thousand years. Anyone living in the real world though can easily see satan has never stopped deceiving the nations since the time of there first being nations to deceive, thus, this alone easily proves the thousand years have not already been in progress but still lie ahead of us instead.

mkgal1 · Jul 1, 2019

DavePT - I hope you don't mind....but I just came across one more viewpoint titled, a Postribulational (i.e. post AD 70) Beginning of the Millennium (given that name by Duncan McKenzie).

Quoting:
Before quoting from McKenzie on his views regarding the Millennium, it will be helpful if I can clarify where he stands with regard to preterism. He stands with J. Stuart Russell (1816-1895), the writer of the classic book “The Parousia,” [1] whose position is as follows:

Where Russell’s position is different from full preterism is that it does not hold that all Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70… The position of James Stuart Russell offers a third preterist option that is different from full preterism and traditional partial preterism. Russell’s position is essentially like the full preterist position (i.e. the Coming, the judgment and the resurrection happened at AD 70, the resurrection having an ongoing fulfillment since AD 70.[2] Russell’s position sees us as currently in the new heaven and earth, a symbol of the post AD 70 new covenant order). Where Russell’s position is different from full preterism is that it does not hold that all Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70… Russell saw the millennium as beginning at AD 70, not ending at that time as full preterism necessitates. ~ Revelation 20: Minority Views on the Millennium (Part 1)

DavidPT · Jul 1, 2019

mkgal1 said:
DavePT - I hope you don't mind....but I just came across one more viewpoint titled, a Postribulational (i.e. post AD 70) Beginning of the Millennium (given that name by Duncan McKenzie).

Quoting:
Before quoting from McKenzie on his views regarding the Millennium, it will be helpful if I can clarify where he stands with regard to preterism. He stands with J. Stuart Russell (1816-1895), the writer of the classic book “The Parousia,” [1] whose position is as follows:

Where Russell’s position is different from full preterism is that it does not hold that all Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70… The position of James Stuart Russell offers a third preterist option that is different from full preterism and traditional partial preterism. Russell’s position is essentially like the full preterist position (i.e. the Coming, the judgment and the resurrection happened at AD 70, the resurrection having an ongoing fulfillment since AD 70.[2] Russell’s position sees us as currently in the new heaven and earth, a symbol of the post AD 70 new covenant order). Where Russell’s position is different from full preterism is that it does not hold that all Bible prophecy was fulfilled by AD 70… Russell saw the millennium as beginning at AD 70, not ending at that time as full preterism necessitates. ~ Revelation 20: Minority Views on the Millennium (Part 1)

I have no issue with you posting what you have been posting and have zero issue with you continuing to do that when you find it relevant to the topic like you have been doing thusfar. Yet at the same I was still hoping for some feedback about the questions I posed in the OP, but mainly feedback from non Premils.

_Dave_ · Jul 1, 2019

Dave L said:
But the millennial kingdom doesn't fit in this present world. Jesus says his kingdom is not part of it. And it doesn't fit in the world to come. It is everlasting without sin, not 1000 years with sin.

It's unfortunate that the term Millennial Kingdom is in use. Without the proper exegesis it leads to the kind of misunderstanding that we are seeing here.

The term Kingdom of Heaven appears 33 times in the New Testament -- in every single case it is referring to the kingdom of the heavenly realm where Jesus sits with God right now, and that will ultimately be the seat of the New Heaven and the New Earth, in the New Jerusalem.

The term Kingdom of God appears 69 times in the New Testament -- in every single case it is referring to the kingdom of the heavenly realm where Jesus sits with God right now, and that will ultimately be the seat of the New Heaven and the New Earth, in the New Jerusalem.

There are a smattering of other references to the heavenly Kingdom, many having the "of heaven" or "of God" implied.

And there are many mentions of other kingdoms, virtually all in terms of physical, earthly kingdoms. In at least one case, Matthew 12:26, Satan is even credited with having a kingdom.

Then there are 47 mentions in Old and New Testament to David's Kingdom -- in virtually every single case referring to a physical earthly throne sat on, first, by David himself, and then, later, by Jesus during his physical reign on earth (during the Millennium).

That's why it's important to understand the difference between references to the two Kingdoms that Christ will reign over. Currently, He reigns with his Father in the heavenly Kingdom. When He returns to end the Great Tribulation He will reign for 1,000 years on a physical, earthly Throne of David (as promised in many places in Scripture). Then at the end of the 1,000 years the physical earthly throne will be no longer, and He will reign once again with his Father on the throne in the New Jerusalem in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

Long story short, you can't say Millennial Kingdom and apply that to the heavenly Kingdom of God. It's not the same thing.

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

_Dave_ said:
It's unfortunate that the term Millennial Kingdom is in use. Without the proper exegesis it leads to the kind of misunderstanding that we are seeing here.

The term Kingdom of Heaven appears 33 times in the New Testament -- in every single case it is referring to the kingdom of the heavenly realm where Jesus sits with God right now, and that will ultimately be the seat of the New Heaven and the New Earth, in the New Jerusalem.

The term Kingdom of God appears 69 times in the New Testament -- in every single case it is referring to the kingdom of the heavenly realm where Jesus sits with God right now, and that will ultimately be the seat of the New Heaven and the New Earth, in the New Jerusalem.

There are a smattering of other references to the heavenly Kingdom, many having the "of heaven" or "of God" implied.

And there are many mentions of other kingdoms, virtually all in terms of physical, earthly kingdoms. In at least one case, Matthew 12:26, Satan is even credited with having a kingdom.

Then there are 47 mentions in Old and New Testament to David's Kingdom -- in virtually every single case referring to a physical earthly throne sat on, first, by David himself, and then, later, by Jesus during his physical reign on earth (during the Millennium).

That's why it's important to understand the difference between references to the two Kingdoms that Christ will reign over. Currently, He reigns with his Father in the heavenly Kingdom. When He returns to end the Great Tribulation He will reign for 1,000 years on a physical, earthly Throne of David (as promised in many places in Scripture). Then at the end of the 1,000 years the physical earthly throne will be no longer, and He will reign once again with his Father on the throne in the New Jerusalem in the New Heaven and the New Earth.

Long story short, you can't say Millennial Kingdom and apply that to the heavenly Kingdom of God. It's not the same thing.

Here's Jesus on the kingdom;

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

mkgal1 · Jul 1, 2019

DavidPT said:
My intentions in the OP were not to set a trap of some kind

I'd never expect YOU to have ill intentions

I apologize if my post seemed to imply that.

DavidPT said:
but to try and determine what can and cannot occur during the thousand years. For example. If the thousand years have been underway for the past 2000 years, the text in Rev 20 indicates satan can't deceive the nations during the thousand years. Anyone living in the real world though can easily see satan has never stopped deceiving the nations since the time of there first being nations to deceive, thus, this alone easily proves the thousand years have not already been in progress but still lie ahead of us instead.

People are deceived - yes (as INDIVIDUALS), but I don't see that as a simple "yes" or "no" answer as to WHY they're deceived. The text is mentioning the deception of NATIONS - and I believe that was because of the culture of idolatry (that - thankfully - we don't have like the ancient times). His Gospel HAS been able to be spread "to all nations" (which, in my belief, was in the context of the first century.....breaking through the deception of the idolatrous "Gentile" nations specifically. The bondage of giving credit of what is to false gods).

Like ancient Egypt and Corinth, for a couple of examples (if you don't wish to watch the whole video - you can see my point from 3:19 minutes in):

I'm still pondering all this myself, so I haven't come up with a better way to frame the questions.

_Dave_ · Jul 1, 2019

Dave L said:
Here's Jesus on the kingdom;

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

Right. I've already pointed out that there are 100+ references in the New Testament to the heavenly Kingdom. You found some of those verses. Those refer to the heavenly Kingdom, not the Millennial reign of Christ.

So I don't get your point.

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

DavidPT said:
My intentions in the OP were not to set a trap of some kind, but to try and determine what can and cannot occur during the thousand years. For example. If the thousand years have been underway for the past 2000 years, the text in Rev 20 indicates satan can't deceive the nations during the thousand years. Anyone living in the real world though can easily see satan has never stopped deceiving the nations since the time of there first being nations to deceive, thus, this alone easily proves the thousand years have not already been in progress but still lie ahead of us instead.

From a Calvinistic position, Satan is bound by the gospel preached to the elect in all nations. Not that every person becomes a believer. And if we take his binding beyond this, we add to Revelation. We must consider all scripture when drawing conclusions from Revelation.

DavidPT · Jul 1, 2019

Dave L said:
Here's Jesus on the kingdom;

Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:

“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)

“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)

“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)

“Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.” (1 Corinthians 15:50)

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)

“Jesus answered, “I tell you the solemn truth, unless a person is born of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.” (John 3:5)

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)

“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)

“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)

“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)

“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)

“Now when the people saw the miraculous sign that Jesus performed, they began to say to one another, “This is certainly the Prophet who is to come into the world.” Then Jesus, because he knew they were going to come and seize him by force to make him king, withdrew again up the mountainside alone.” (John 6:14–15)

“He delivered us from the power of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of the Son he loves,” (Colossians 1:13)

“When Jesus saw that he answered intelligently, He said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And no one dared to question Him any longer.” (Mark 12:34) (HCSB)

“for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.” (Romans 14:17) (HCSB)

Aren't you comparing apples to oranges though? All of the above only applies to the here and now. Eventually Jesus will bodily return. The hidden kingdom then becomes a literal reality than can be seen, touched, felt, so on and so on. Why then would Luke 17:20 still be applicable once Jesus bodily returns?

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

_Dave_ said:
Right. I've already pointed out that there are 100+ references in the New Testament to the heavenly Kingdom. You found some of those verses. Those refer to the heavenly Kingdom, not the Millennial reign of Christ.

So I don't get your point.

Kingdom of God and Kingdom of heaven are exactly the same.
“From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 4:17)

“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” (Mark 1:15)

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

DavidPT said:
Aren't you comparing apples to oranges though? All of the above only applies to the here and now. Eventually Jesus will bodily return. The hidden kingdom then becomes a literal reality than can be seen, touched, felt, so on and so on. Why then would Luke 17:20 still be applicable once Jesus bodily returns?

On the last day, Jesus delivers this present spiritual kingdom up to the Father in the New Heavens and earth.

miamited · Jul 1, 2019

Dave L said:
You have only two choices for the timing of the kingdom. This present world. Which Jesus says his kingdom is not part of. And the world to come. Which is forever, not 1000 years.

Hi dave,

Look, I get it. You can't let go of this idea that the 1,000 years and the kingdom that Jesus referred to are not one and the same. Ok.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

miamited said:
Hi dave,

Look, I get it. You can't let go of this idea that the 1,000 years and the kingdom that Jesus referred to are not one and the same. Ok.

God bless,
In Christ, ted

There is only one kingdom and it's not the millennial kingdom.

_Dave_ · Jul 1, 2019

Dave L said:
Kingdom of God and Kingdom of heaven are exactly the same.
“From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 4:17)

“And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.” (Mark 1:15)

I completely agree, but what does that have to do with Jesus' Millennial reign? The Millennium is NOT the final heavenly Kingdom.

Nowhere in Scripture does it call Jesus' earthly reign the Millennial Kingdom. That is a man-made artifice; which I've already stated is unfortunate because it confuses some people.

Dave L · Jul 1, 2019

_Dave_ said:
I completely agree, but what does that have to do with Jesus' Millennial reign? The Millennium is NOT the final heavenly Kingdom.

Nowhere in Scripture does it call Jesus' earthly reign the Millennial Kingdom. That is a man-made artifice; which I've already stated is unfortunate because it confuses some people.

There is no millennium.

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