Since 1914, why have morals and values been on a steady decline?

Charles Watson-Wentworth · Jun 25, 2019

holo said:
I didn't read finely through all the links, but there seems to be a combination of sensationalism and hypocrisy: find a story about a crazy dude throwing his baby in the freezer, as if that's somehow the new normal. Act as if STDs is an issue of morality while ignoring that there are still people who can recall when black people couldn't even drink out of the same fountain as whites. World poverty is steadily declining, but OH NO! Someone allowed two guys to get married!

All of the things you mentioned were morally wrong except the segregation part. Segregation was just uncalled for.

Desk trauma · Jun 25, 2019

Oscarr said:
The scary thing for those who are not converted to Christ is that it could happen tomorrow. Who knows?

Sorry to burst your bubble but, no it’s not scary. No more than the idea of ragnarock likely scares you.

durangodawood · Jun 25, 2019

Classic golden-age-fallacy lack of perspective.

Charles Watson-Wentworth · Jun 25, 2019

durangodawood said:
Classic golden-age-fallacy lack of perspective.

Lack of perspective? Do enlighten me because everywhere I look for perspective today scares me. I don't like the morals of today. It's too progressive for me. The colonial era is a great time for morals to me. Slavery was a bad thing in the 1770's and onward but it was settled in the great compromise that slavery shall be kept. In 1865 it was outlawed thankfully.

The Constitution and Slavery - Constitutional Rights Foundation

Sparagmos · Jun 25, 2019

KCfromNC said:
Forget about all those. You're ignoring the real issue. Some people were actually Irish.

And having oral sex!

Sparagmos · Jun 25, 2019

Charles Watson-Wentworth said:
Lack of perspective? Do enlighten me because everywhere I look for perspective today scares me. I don't like the morals of today. It's too progressive for me. The colonial era is a great time for morals to me. Slavery was a bad thing in the 1770's and onward but it was settled in the great compromise that slavery shall be kept. In 1865 it was outlawed thankfully.

The Constitution and Slavery - Constitutional Rights Foundation

How moral could people really have been if they thought black people were less than human? Why is sexual morality more serious to you than kidnapping, imprisoning, raping and regularly beating people?

Caliban · Jun 25, 2019

Sabertooth said:
Throughout history, morality levels rose & fell.

Between 1904-1906, we had the Welsh & Azusa Street Revivals, which had the side effect of elevating morals, generally.

From The Welsh Revival & Revival Now: “Bend the Church & Save the World”,

Some of the results on society were:

Many of the pubs were empty and liquor sales greatly reduced.

Dance halls, theaters, and football (soccer) matches saw a dramatic decline in attendance as young people became more interested in seeking God’s presence than other pursuits.

The courts and jails were emptied and policemen found themselves with little to do.

Family feuds where healed and denominational divisions were replaced by unity.

Converted coal miners became gentlemen. As a result, the “pit-ponies” in the mines no longer know how to respond, since they were used to the swearing and fierce anger of the miners.

1914 would be about 8-10 years later, exhibiting a general decline from the said Revival.

Sure sounds boring. I'm glad I live in California--we prefer dancing, bars, and the theatre.

Sabertooth · Jun 25, 2019

R.Miller said:
..., and the theatre.

I enjoy movies, but I enjoy God much, much more. And this wasn't compulsory attendance. They were consumed by their own love for God.

Note: watching soccer is not thought of as a sin, per se. It is just a pale thrill to watching God move! :bow:

FireDragon76 · Jun 25, 2019

Yennora said:
Look at it from the side that, people are now waking up. Look at someone like Dr. Jordan Peterson for example, he is someone who wouldn't exist the way he does if morality was not on the decline. A lot of intellectuals and great mentalities are coming to light recently.

People might be a bit spiritually aimless but I don't see that the same as saying that morality is on the decline.

We are in an age of transition when people let go of out of date values and attempt to find new human values rooted in our own actual experience of the world.

klutedavid · Jun 25, 2019

Charles Watson-Wentworth said:
I want you all to read a few pieces that I had read and that is really worrisome to know and even more worrisome once I realized that it is true and that people are "losing their marbles" and not adhering to morals and tradition. It's like we're becoming less and less American by the day and we're forgetting what made us American to begin with because we're losing our morals and values. It's really a scary thought. I'd like you all to read these pieces and tell me why this has happened. Is there a way to recover or are we just on a steady decline into a pit where we still have a land named America but lose our American culture? There is some politics involved, but this topic question is not about politics, it's about morals and ethics. Thank you.

When Morals Declined Dramatically — Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

https://lifewayresearch.com/2017/05...-moral-decline-cant-agree-on-right-and-wrong/

100 Facts About The Moral Collapse Of America That Are Almost Too Crazy To Believe – The Truth

America is in Moral Decline... But Why?

http://www.iosrjournals.org/iosr-jhss/papers/Vol19-issue6/Version-1/G019614044.pdf

Was America a moral nation at some point in time?

RDKirk · Jun 25, 2019

KCfromNC said:
First problem here is confusing morals and tradition. The two have little to do with each other.

Well, morals and tradition are exactly the same thing.

It's ethics that is different from both.

But to be clear, are you saying racial segregation is more moral than what we have today? Just trying to figure out what it is everyone else is missing.

As had been noted earlier, a lot had to do with individual liberties possible by the circumstances. The very wealthy of the past did not skip any of the vices that are today available to the masses.

RDKirk · Jun 25, 2019

Charles Watson-Wentworth said:
All of the things you mentioned were morally wrong except the segregation part. Segregation was just uncalled for.

"Just uncalled for?"

Well, prior to 1950, blacks died from lack of blood transfusions because the Red Cross kept blood supplies segregated and there often wasn't enough for black patients.

Was that immoral or merely "uncalled for?"

comana · Jun 25, 2019

I don’t think morals are declining as much as vices that were once hidden are now exposed. A past society was viewed as more moral because the outward appearance was white washed.

Charles Watson-Wentworth · Jun 25, 2019

RDKirk said:
"Just uncalled for?"

Well, prior to 1950, blacks died from lack of blood transfusions because the Red Cross kept blood supplies segregated and there often wasn't enough for black patients.

Was that immoral or merely "uncalled for?"

I said it was uncalled for. It goes against morals as well. I hope I don't have to be too specific here. I'm not trying to defend the practice one bit.

Charles Watson-Wentworth · Jun 25, 2019

klutedavid said:
Was America a moral nation at some point in time?

I hope so or the nation that I live in isn't so great.

Presbyterian Continuist · Jun 25, 2019

Desk trauma said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but, no it’s not scary. No more than the idea of ragnarock likely scares you.

You can burst my bubble anytime!

But it is always good to be ready just in case it happens before we expect it.

Charles Watson-Wentworth · Jun 25, 2019

Sparagmos said:
How moral could people really have been if they thought black people were less than human? Why is sexual morality more serious to you than kidnapping, imprisoning, raping and regularly beating people?

I never said that they were more important as all of those things you mentioned are all equally as terrible and should result in swift and harsh punishment to give example to all who even think about doing such crimes. I'd discuss how to punish said people but it would be "inhumane" to people of today and to me that will not work. A person is not above the law and shall be punished harshly for doing the crimes you mentioned. Have you seen the movie The Count Of Monte Cristo? All prisoners should be imprisoned and live in those conditions with no TV, fresh food, water, etc. Prison is suppose to be a punishment not a vacation. A harsh crime deserves a harsh punishment. That is where my morals differ from yours. The Bible should also an extension of the law as all laws come or originate from it. That's the world I wish I lived in where people were patriotic, where treason would result in death (which includes flag burning) and where a strong understanding of the nation will result in strong leaders. AKA Nationalism and patriotism. Those are my morals. I also respect everyone until they break the law and I think everyone has a role in society to follow. Is this an unfavorable opinion? Sure, but it's not meant for debate. It's just the world that I wish I lived in. Everyone must have rules and morals to follow. I grew up with a father with the same mindset so I approve of such practices. He loved his country but hated those who took advantage of the law and hated the country.

klutedavid · Jun 25, 2019

Charles Watson-Wentworth said:
I hope so or the nation that I live in isn't so great.

How do you reconcile centuries of slavery in your so called great and moral country?

Charles Watson-Wentworth · Jun 25, 2019

klutedavid said:
How do you reconcile centuries of slavery in your so called great and moral country?

How do you? Every nation had slavery. Africa still has slavery today. Every race was a slave as well in some point in time.

klutedavid · Jun 25, 2019

Charles Watson-Wentworth said:
How do you? Every nation had slavery. Africa still has slavery today. Every race was a slave as well in some point in time.

Every nation has not had slavery.

You must reconcile how a self proclaimed moral country could even institute slavery, let alone practice that for centuries. Your slavery was even brutal at times.

Then you would need to explain why you had to resort to a destructive civil war to unite your country?

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