Deadly Head Wound...

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Actually I believe Revelation 16:13 refers to them being possessed by "three unclean spirits like frogs". Since I can't find anywhere in the Bible where Satan is described as a "spirit like a frog" and 16:13 mentions the DRAGON, as well as the Beast and the False Prophet, (The term Dragon being synonymous with Satan).. I think we're actually talking about "demonic spirits", and not necessarily SATAN himself.
Read on, it continues to say these unclean spirits come out of the mouth of the dragon and the false prophet and go into the kings of the world to gather them for battle.
 
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Aren't the ten horns/kings all going to be alive and rulers at the same time?

They give their kingdom to the beast.

well the roman empire was comprised of ten kingdoms - italy, france, spain, germany, britain, samaria, pannonia, asia, greece, and egypt. nero and jewish persecutions of the were widespread and rampant in the empire.
 
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Guess many people here still didn't get the deadly head wound right. The head has nothing to do with particular person or empire. The head in Scripture signify AUTHORITY. Explain later. Busy day ahead for me.
 
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Guess many people here still didn't get the deadly head wound right. The head has nothing to do with particular person or empire. The head in Scripture signify AUTHORITY. Explain later. Busy day ahead for me.
Yes indeed!
How about Head and Tail in the Bible

Deu 28:13
“And the LORD will make you the head and not the tail;
you shall be above only, and not below,
if you heed the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you today, and are careful to observe them.

Isa 9:
14 Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel,
Palm branch and bulrush in one day.
15 The elder and honorable, he is the head;

The prophet who teaches lies, he is the tail.

Tail and false prophet are mentioned in the Revelation

Rev 12:
4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the land.
And the Dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.


Rev 16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
 
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Yes indeed!
How about Head and Tail in the Bible

Wait.

First, you need to read 1st Cor 11:1-16 and Eph 5:21-24.

Just like Christ is the head of every man (including every woman) and the man is the head of a woman. What does that means? Authority, of course.

Ephesians 1:21-23 KJV
[21] Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
[22] And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
[23] Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

We see that Jesus is above ALL AUTHORITY, and all things are in subjection to him, and he is the head (authority) over the church. Selah. Again we see the term "head" being used in the context of authority:

Colossians 3:18 KJV
[18] Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

We see consistent teaching of Paul of subjection of the wife to the husband. Therefore, the word, "head," when speaking of the husband being the head of the wife, cannot mean that he is controlling her or that he is her source as some people claimed. It must be dealing with authority as he is the authority of his household just as Christ is the authority of His Church.

Now, when we read in Revelation, the heads are in fact kings, just as the horns are in fact kings. It's the same symbolic imagery and the same methodology applies. For example:

Revelation 17:9-10
  • " And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth.
  • And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."
This calls for wisdom, not for us to figure out with world empire or person but rather understanding its symbolism as it is speaking about spiritual kingdom. The beast of Revelation 17 is Satan himself with seven heads upon it. Remember the number seven (7) signifies totality. Satan had the totality of authority since the fall of man which the heads (symbolizing authority) "are" also seven mountains (symbolizing kingdoms) are seven kings (symbolizing rule). So the seven heads (signifying authority and leadership) are all actually 7 kings (signifying totality of rule that Satan had.). It is all interconnected symbolism. Not only is the 7 kings symbolic, but we read the 7 kings are 7 mountains, which is also symbolic. Of course, some people are trying to link heads to some physical nations/empires/men but this is not what God meant. The 7 heads are actually seven periods of authoritative rule of the beast, which in totality is its complete rule throughout time since the fall of man. That is UNTIL five of the heads are fallen when Christ went to the Cross. It means that Satan's authority has been taken away so that Christ could build his church in the world, REGARDLESS of nations it went as Satan's power was not able to stop them. That is when Satan's head (authority) has been wounded. Yes, he still rules in the world through unsaved men, but have lost the power/authority to prevent people from being saved by the testimony of the church that Christ (now have all things under his authority) sent. That is until the SEVENTH HEAD comes but only last for a short space. This will not happen UNTIL Christ has finished building his church with His Elect. Once it happens, Satan shall come out of the bottomless pit and have his authority fully restored (head healed) but only for a short time. He is that LITTLE HORN which signifies the short time of his power to rule! He is the EIGHTH but IS OF THE SEVEN. It means that he shall come out of bottomless pit and God allowed his authority to restore once again to the totality but only for a short season. Therefore, the beast that was (Satan) is not, is an eighth but is of the seven. Satan, as being eighth, is the LITTLE HORN that Daniel talked about. It means that Satan's power will be full but only for a short time before Christ returns.

That is it. Nothing to do with nations, empires, or president, prime ministry, or movie star at all! We can't say a head is not a king or a horn is not a king, or a horn is not a head, because it's all symbolical and tied intimately together to paint a bigger picture of a powerful kingdom and its reign. Far more powerful and deadlier than any empire in world history you can think of! Remember our battle is with spiritual principalities, not flesh and blood (physical nations/empires). Some people with carnal minds won't understand or deny this but Christ did warn that it calls for a WISDOM which reuiqres the spirit of God to reveal things spiritually. Spiritually discerned.

Enough for now. Off to work
 
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Oh, I like to add something about the harlot that is sitting (rule) upon the beast with heads (authority) for a thought. The woman of Revelation 17 is the CHURCH. Yes, it is God's congregation. She was once faithful representative of God's kingdom on earth UNTIL she has become a harlot.

Revelation 17:3-6 KJV
[3] So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.
[4] And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
[5] And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
[6] And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Again the symbolism of the cup is because a cup is a vessel to hold whatever someone is carrying, and thus it is the vile wine of abominable doctrines that take away spiritual soberness and makes these kings of the earth drunk. It is in her hand to illustrates this unfaithfulness is by her own will. The hand in scripture is often symbolic of the will (just like the mark of the beast upon your right hand signifies, but that is a different subject). Anyway, it is her will that this cup is filled with vile and filthy doctrines to make the kings of the earth stagger in spiritual drunkenness. The delusion to the kings is manifested in that it appears to be of Christ on the outside or superficially. It is the working of the false prophets and christs today that made their doctrines appear shines as gold and is visually pleasing as that which is precious and valuable. But the the true messengers of God reveals to His people that it is full of abominations and the filthiness of her own spiritual fornication. The church, once faithful, is turning away from God to her own idolatry! THIS is the abomination of desolation standing in the holy place (Church) where it ought not. The same as pictured in Matthew 24 of the Holy on the outside and abominations inside.

Matthew 24:15
  • "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet stand in the holy place(whoso readeth, let him understand: )"
It is visually the cup of the precious Holy Place on the outside, beautiful in appearance and very sensually pleasing. The church may look wonderful, filled with good people, have great music, etc, BUT inside this facade is the abomination that makes desolate and everything that is unclean to God. It is the cup of "Harlot/Church." She is an oxymoron indeed! And that is why God commands His faithful Elect to "come out of her my people." We are to flee to the Holy mountains WHEN we see people like Joel Ostten, Joyce Meyers, etc selling their abominations. We come out and PROPHESY JUDGMENT against them as "eagles gather together over a dead body." And MANY people LOVE their false prophets and are being deceived. But DO NOT be deceived by her being previously a Holy Place or by her cup of gold. DO NOT not drink of her wine, nor be dazzled by the visual of a place of kings. For there are many who serve the church and not Christ, and they are those who will not see the abominations or the judgment of the harlot. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity, and he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Now, how will God judges His unfaithful church? By allowing Satan to have his power back and have him to rule in HIS CHURCH through the false prophets and christs... as a judgment upon those who do NOT love the Truth. Selah! This is the judgment of the harlot...when Satan's authority comes to the full after a period of Christ's church building is finished! And only last for a short time. I think we are in this time right now.

Something to think about. Forget the world news, Forget Papal. Forget 70AD. Forget America and her clown, Trump. The spiritual war is already taking place where the "eagles are gathered together" over a dead body of the harlot!

Selah!
 
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Yes indeed!
How about Head and Tail in the Bible

Deu 28:13
“And the LORD will make you the head and not the tail;
you shall be above only, and not below,
if you heed the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you today, and are careful to observe them.

Isa 9:
14 Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel,
Palm branch and bulrush in one day.
15 The elder and honorable, he is the head;

The prophet who teaches lies, he is the tail.

Tail and false prophet are mentioned in the Revelation

Rev 12:
4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the land.
And the Dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.


Rev 16:13
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

Wait.

It means that Satan's authority has been taken away so that Christ could build his church. That is when Satan's head has been wounded. He still rules in the world, but have lost the power/authority to prevent people from being saves by the testimony of the church. That is until the SEVENTH HEAD comes but only last for a short space. This will not happen UNTIL Christ has finished building his church with His Elect. Once it happens, Satan shall come out of the bottomless pit and have his authority fully restored (head healed) but only for a short time.

Enough for now. Off to work
Wait. Not sure I understand the part about Satan coming out of the Abyss.
Are you saying the the Church is now in the 1000yr period after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad?

Why would Matthew and Luke mention so much about the desolation of Jerusalem:

Luke 19:
41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her,
43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee,
and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee
and shall be encompassing Thee,
and pressing Thee from-every-side.
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee,


Matthew 24:37
‘Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee,....
Behold! left desolate to you is your house;
Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that is killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto her......
35 ‘Behold! your house is being left to you desolate,

And not mention it in Revelation?

I have a thread on the 10 kings:

Acts 1:6 Restore Kingdom to Israel/10 KINGS One Mind Reve 17

Revelation 17
:
12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a Kingdom not-yet received, but authority<1849> as kings, one hour they are receiving with the beast,
13 These one mind> are having, and the power and authority of them to the beast they are giving.
16 And the ten horns which you perceived, and beast, these shall be hating the prostitute, and having made her desolate, and naked.
And the fleshes of her they shall be eating,
and her they shall be burning down in fire.
17 For the God gives into the hearts of them to do the mind of Him, and to do/make one mind, and to give the Kingdom of them to the wild-beast until shall be being finished the Words of the God.

Revelation 18
4 And I heard another voice out of the heaven, saying, ‘Come forth out of her, My people, that ye may not partake with her sins, and that ye may not receive of her plagues,
19 and they did cast dust upon their heads, and were crying out, weeping and sorrowing, saying, Woe, woe, the great City! in which were made rich all having ships in the sea, out of her—
for in one hour was she was desolated
 
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Something to think about. Forget the world news, Forget Papal. Forget 70AD. Forget America and her clown, Trump. The spiritual war is already taking place where the "eagles are gathered together" over a dead body of the harlot!

Selah!
Tell that to the Jews.
They need to read Revelation as 1st century Jerusalem and 12 of their tribes are in it.........

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived ; the solemn warnings and admonitions which they hold out to all nations, but especially such as are favoured with the light and blessings of REVELATION ; together with the impressive and terrific grandeur of the events themselves

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Wait. Not sure I understand the part about Satan coming out of the Abyss.
Are you saying the the Church is now in the 1000yr period after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad?

I was about to come out of the door but I will respond this quickly.

I NEVER teach that the 1,000 years of Revelation 20 as literal 1,000 years period. Remember the number 10 (and its multiples: 100, 1,000, etc.) signifies FULLNESS OF WHATEVER IS IN VIEW. In other words, Satan was being bound at the Cross and was assigned to bottomless pit (signifies his authority being taken away) until the FULLNESS of the Christ's church is being build. Once that 1,000 years is finished, and we do NOT know exactly when it occurs, God will allow Satan to come out of bottomless pit.

Why would Matthew and Luke mention so much about the desolation of Jerusalem:

Luke 19:
41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her,
43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee,
and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work to Thee
and shall be encompassing Thee,
and pressing Thee from-every-side.
44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee,


Matthew 24:37
‘Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee,....
Behold! left desolate to you is your house;
Luke 13:34
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that is killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto her......
35 ‘Behold! your house is being left to you desolate,

They are talking about the FALL and DESOLATION of the OLD TESTAMENT CONGREGATION of ISRAEL! Not the physical buildings! It was the Jews who were responsible for the killing of the prophets because they did not like what they heard.

After the fall of old testament congregation that Christ warned about in Matthew 24:1-2. This took place at the CROSS! Remember Christ said to the JEWS that they are to destroy the temple and in three days Christ rise it up. He is talking about HIs Congregation being HIS BODY, just the same way we are in His body today (in new testament congregation). Spiritual discernment.

THe Olivet discourse is NOT about the Jews and a physical city of Jerusalem in 70AD nor in the future as premillennialists hoped for. Christ prophesied about HIS NEW TESTAMENT CONGREGATION prior to Second Coming. Have you forgotten that we are considered as spiritual Jews and we flee from Spiritual Judea (symbolically church!) when we see abomination of desolation? This is where many people missed their point. This called for wisdom just like Christ said, "whoever reads, let him understand". It is not what they thought Christ talked about if they take this with carnal minds. Spiritual discerned!

I have a thread on the 10 kings:

I think we have gone over this before. But no time to debate this now as I need to step out.

Roger out. :)



Acts 1:6 Restore Kingdom to Israel/10 KINGS One Mind Reve 17

Revelation 17
:
12 And the ten horns which you saw, ten kings are, who any a Kingdom not-yet received, but authority<1849> as kings, one hour they are receiving with the beast,
13 These one mind> are having, and the power and authority of them to the beast they are giving.
16 And the ten horns which you perceived, and beast, these shall be hating the prostitute, and having made her desolate, and naked.
And the fleshes of her they shall be eating,
and her they shall be burning down in fire.
17 For the God gives into the hearts of them to do the mind of Him, and to do/make one mind, and to give the Kingdom of them to the wild-beast until shall be being finished the Words of the God.

Revelation 18
4 And I heard another voice out of the heaven, saying, ‘Come forth out of her, My people, that ye may not partake with her sins, and that ye may not receive of her plagues,
19 and they did cast dust upon their heads, and were crying out, weeping and sorrowing, saying, Woe, woe, the great City! in which were made rich all having ships in the sea, out of her—
for in one hour was she was desolated[/QUOTE]
 
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Tell that to the Jews.
They need to read Revelation as 1st century Jerusalem and 12 of their tribes are in it.........

So? Christ has already rebuilt the temple in three days and has become a head cornerstone of the new spiritual temple which is the new testament congregation. It already started at Pentecost long before 70AD.

I do not care about the history of Jerusalem in 70AD. It has no biblical signification and the city itself was not even holy at that time anyway. Stick with the Bible, not historians.
 
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So? Christ has already rebuilt the temple in three days and has become a head cornerstone of the new spiritual temple which is the new testament congregation. It already started at Pentecost long before 70AD.

I do not care about the history of Jerusalem in 70AD. It has no biblical signification and the city itself was not even holy at that time anyway. Stick with the Bible, not historians.

The complete literal destruction of Jerusalem and all within it was utterly necessary in order to unmistakably demonstrate the permanent passing of the Old Covenant carnal economy, and its irreversible replacement by the New Covenant spiritual economy. Thus the literal events of 70 AD are of indispensable significance both historically and spiritually.

Your observations regarding the physical temple of Christ's body which He resurrected in three days; and His place as the Chief Cornerstone in the foundation of His New Covenant Church, are entirely accurate.

And the complete annihilation of every physical vestige of the Old Covenant was essential to reinforce the reality of its replacement by the New Covenant, and all of the spiritual significance which it represents.
 
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Poor Beggar said:
Yeah, no serious scholars I've read believe that
You mean "serious scholars"like Lindsey, LaHaye, Hagee, and others of the usual DF suspects? Sorry, they aren't. They're tub-thumpers for Dispensational Futurism, and they're going to thump that tub whether reasonable exegesis supports iot or not.
unless there's a conspiracy and they're all God-haters, which seems a bit contrived.
Two reasons for their cheer-leading for DF: 1)they believe it in spite of the utter dearth of Biblical support, and 2) it's their rice bowl; they make tons of money grinding out dreck about Blood Moons and global calamities (that we conveniently don't have to worry about)
Great post Jipsah.

It is interesting that the Greek #4969 for "slain/slaughtered" is used for both the Beast and the Lambkin.......more to come.

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

4969. sphazo a primary verb;
to butcher (especially an animal for food or in sacrifice) or (generally) to slaughter, or (specially), to maim (violently):--kill, slay, wound.
4967. sphage from 4969; butchery (of animals for food or sacrifice, or (figuratively) of men (destruction)):--slaughter.
4968. sphagion neuter of a derivative of 4967; a victim (in sacrifice):--slain beast.

Revelation 5:6
And I saw and behold! in midst of the throne and of the four living-ones<2226> and in midst of the elders a Lambkin standing, as having been slain/slaughtered<esfagmenon><4969 (5772)>

Revelation 13:
3 And one, out of the heads of it, as having been slain/slaughtered<esfagmenhn><4969 (5772)> into death, and the blow/stripe of the death of it was healed. And marvels whole the land behind of the Beast.
8 and shall be worshiping him all the ones down-homing on of the land, of whom had not been written the name of him in the Scroll of the Life of the Lamb, of the one having been slain/slaughtered<esfagmenou<4969 (5772)> from down-casting of world.
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Jeremiah 7:
31 “And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire, which I did not command, nor did it come into My heart.
32 “Therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD, “when it will no more be called Tophet, or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom,
but the Valley of Slaughter; for they will bury in Tophet until there is no room.

Jeremiah 19:
2 “And go out to the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, which is by the entry of the Potsherd Gate; and proclaim there the words that I will tell you,
6 “therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the LORD, “that this place shall no more be called Tophet or the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, but the Valley of Slaughter.

Isa 30:25
There will be on every high mountain And on every high hill Rivers and streams of waters,
In the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.

James 5:
5 ye luxuriate upon the land and ye squander, ye nourish the hearts of ye, in Day of-Slaughter<sfaghV 4967>
8 be ye patient! also stand-fast the hearts of ye, that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

https://www.preteristarchive.com/JewishWars/timeline_military.html
"..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM


 
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