LDS False Gospel Spreader Joseph Smith

mmksparbud said:

NO, He doesn't!!!


Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

You do not know the real God of the bible!! You can not love what you do not know!
You know the God of JS---weak, ineffectual, selfish and self centered bad designer that just makes a muck of things---that is not the God of the bible. Good luck with pleading your case before that God. It is only the god of JS who would let you in, ours won't know you, for you do not know Him nor His Son crucified and have not been able to follow His commandments for you have done so without love and without His true Holy Spirit, without which, no one can follow them.

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There is only one God and He is the God of everyone. He is not a respecter of persons, He loves all of us. He expects everyone to keep the commandments. His commandments are LOVE and God is LOVE:

(New Testament | James 1:22 - 27)

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

'T K

He is the way said:

They were already married:
(Old Testament | Genesis 2:24 - 25)

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

You are guessing that they didn't know each other very well, but I am thinking they had known each other for years before they ate of the fruit of the tree of good and evil. The Bible does not say.

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"They were already married?" Yes, and so what? They had just been created!! And if the bible doesn't say how long they were in this state before the fall---who are you to add to His word by saying they had known each other for years? Adam didn't even name her until after the fall---so NO---they hadn't known each other for years.

Phoebe Ann said:

Galatians 3
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. 11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, for, The just shall live by faith. 12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. 13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith...

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one. 21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

Galatians 5
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

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Man is not saved by works, neither is he saved without works. Dead faith saves no one. See my post above

He is the way said:

There is only one God and He is the God of everyone. He is not a respecter of persons, He loves all of us. He expects everyone to keep the commandments. His commandments are LOVE and God is LOVE:

(New Testament | James 1:22 - 27)

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

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Our God is no respecter of persons for when He saves, He saves all to the same salvation, when they are lost, they are lost to the same fate. You god is most definitely a respecter of persons for His salvation is to save to different levels of heaven. When our God saves, He saves each to the same salvation of being in His presence.

Without love, you can not keep His commandments. I repeat (since you do so frequently):

"Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

You do not know the real God of the bible!! You can not love what you do not know!
You know the God of JS---weak, ineffectual, selfish and self centered bad designer that just makes a muck of things---that is not the God of the bible. Good luck with pleading your case before that God. It is only the god of JS who would let you in, ours won't know you, for you do not know Him nor His Son crucified and have not been able to follow His commandments for you have done so without love and without His true Holy Spirit, without which, no one can follow them."

mmksparbud said:

'T K


"They were already married?" Yes, and so what? They had just been created!! And if the bible doesn't say how long they were in this state before the fall---who are you to add to His word by saying they had known each other for years? Adam didn't even name her until after the fall---so NO---they hadn't known each other for years.

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You added your opinion and so did I. We do know that they were unaware of some things before they ate of the tree of good and evil. I believe that they were not aware of the facts of life until they ate of the tree of good and evil. They didn't even know they were naked. God picked up on this and asked if they had eaten of the tree of good and evil.

He is the way said:

Man is not saved by works, neither is he saved without works. Dead faith saves no one. See my post above

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That is right---it's just that love drives us to keep His commandments and do His works. Without love--we can do nothing that is pleasing to the Lord.

He is the way said:

You added your opinion and so did I. We do know that they were unaware of some things before they ate of the tree of good and evil. I believe that they were not aware of the facts of life until they ate of the tree of good and evil. They didn't even know they were naked. God picked up on this and asked if they had eaten of the tree of good and evil.

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As Phoebe Ann said---show me a rabbit that can explain the facts of life! God put that procreative power in us without need of instruction to every living thing! No one needs explain the facts of life to any creature. It is only your inept god that couldn't enable Adam and Eve to procreate until Satan helped the situation along---truly pathetic and blasphemous.

Phoebe Ann said:

The only Christians are true Christians. They follow the One True God.

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Jesus being The ONE TRUE GOD

.”The life appeared, we have seen it and testified to it, and we proclaim to you the Eternal Life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us.” 1 John 1:2 King James

and we are in him who is the true even in his son Jesus, He is the True God and Eternal Life,” 1 John 5:20 King James

mmksparbud said:

Our God is no respecter of persons for when He saves, He saves all to the same salvation, when they are lost, they are lost to the same fate. You god is most definitely a respecter of persons for His salvation is to save to different levels of heaven. When our God saves, He saves each to the same salvation of being in His presence.

Without love, you can not keep His commandments. I repeat (since you do so frequently):

"Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
Luk 13:28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

You do not know the real God of the bible!! You can not love what you do not know!
You know the God of JS---weak, ineffectual, selfish and self centered bad designer that just makes a muck of things---that is not the God of the bible. Good luck with pleading your case before that God. It is only the god of JS who would let you in, ours won't know you, for you do not know Him nor His Son crucified and have not been able to follow His commandments for you have done so without love and without His true Holy Spirit, without which, no one can follow them."

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You said: "Without love, you can not keep His commandments." I agree and neither is it possible to love without service. Jesus is our example of love through service. He also gave us examples of love through service:
(Book of Mormon | Mosiah 4:13 - 18)

13 And ye will not have a mind to injure one another, but to live peaceably, and to render to every man according to that which is his due.
14 And ye will not suffer your children that they go hungry, or naked; neither will ye suffer that they transgress the laws of God, and fight and quarrel one with another, and serve the devil, who is the master of sin, or who is the evil spirit which hath been spoken of by our fathers, he being an enemy to all righteousness.
15 But ye will teach them to walk in the ways of truth and soberness; ye will teach them to love one another, and to serve one another.
16 And also, ye yourselves will succor those that stand in need of your succor; ye will administer of your substance unto him that standeth in need; and ye will not suffer that the beggar putteth up his petition to you in vain, and turn him out to perish.
17 Perhaps thou shalt say: The man has brought upon himself his misery; therefore I will stay my hand, and will not give unto him of my food, nor impart unto him of my substance that he may not suffer, for his punishments are just—
18 But I say unto you, O man, whosoever doeth this the same hath great cause to repent; and except he repenteth of that which he hath done he perisheth forever, and hath no interest in the kingdom of God.

He is the way said:

There is only one God and He is the God of everyone. He is not a respecter of persons, He loves all of us. He expects everyone to keep the commandments. His commandments are LOVE and God is LOVE:

(New Testament | James 1:22 - 27)

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

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Yes--it is love that will lead us into acts of kindness towards all. We do not do those acts to get brownie points with God.

mmksparbud said:

As Phoebe Ann said---show me a rabbit that can explain the facts of life! God put that procreative power in us without need of instruction to every living thing! No one needs explain the facts of life to any creature. It is only your inept god that couldn't enable Adam and Eve to procreate until Satan helped the situation along---truly pathetic and blasphemous.

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So why command Adam and Eve if it was not necessary?:
(Old Testament | Genesis 1:28)

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Do you suppose God did not know they already knew how? Perhaps He knew that they didn't know how but would later acknowledge His words.

mmksparbud said:

Yes--it is love that will lead us into acts of kindness towards all. We do not do those acts to get brownie points with God.

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Correct, we do not do those acts to get brownie points with God, we do it to have the same kind of love that God has.

He is the way said:

So why command Adam and Eve if it was not necessary?:
(Old Testament | Genesis 1:28)

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Do you suppose God did not know they already knew how? Perhaps He knew that they didn't know how but would later acknowledge His words.

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He made the command--be fruitful and multiply to all living things!! He then did not need to give explicit instructions to everything, it would come about naturally because He said so. Without that command--no---they would not have known!! But He did give that command so, they would have done so without any help at all from Satan!

He is the way said:

They were already married:
(Old Testament | Genesis 2:24 - 25)

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

You are guessing that they didn't know each other very well, but I am thinking they had known each other for years before they ate of the fruit of the tree of good and evil. The Bible does not say.

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mmksparbud said:

He made the command--be fruitful and multiply to all living things!! He then did not need to give explicit instructions to everything, it would come about naturally because He said so. Without that command--no---they would not have known!! But He did give that command so, they would have done so without any help at all from Satan!

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They didn't have any children while they were in the Garden of Eden so it stands to reason their eyes were not yet open and they didn't understand. They didn't even know that they were naked until they ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil.

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(Old Testament | Genesis 3:22)

22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

He is the way said:

God gave us the commandments so we could learn what real love is.

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Try this at home: "Woman, I command you to make me a sandwich. By doing so you will demonstrate your real love for me and, in turn, you will be worthy of my real love for you."

He is the way said:

They didn't have any children while they were in the Garden of Eden so it stands to reason their eyes were not yet open and they didn't understand. They didn't even know that they were naked until they ate the fruit of the tree of good and evil.

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So what!!! Where do you go from they were naked and didn't know it to ---they could only have children after Satan made it possible for them!?? Really? How stupid of a god do you serve? Ours isn't that dumb!! He made them to procreate, when God said "be fruitful and multiply"---that is what their bodies were going to do!! When God speaks--it is a certainty; When yours speaks, he has to have the help of a fallen angel!! Seriously? Yes, after they disobeyed God, they saw they were naked. Wow!! They would have procreated whether they knew they were naked or not!! That is what their bodies would have done because God said so! So sad they could not have done it on your time table! If you didn't have Satan whispering in the ear of JS---no one would have come up with such a blasphemous idea!

Psa_127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

They are a gift from God not Satan!