Why didn't the Right try to even the chances in the Entertainment culture war a bit?

I have a question. Is the meme of the rebel or outsider who rises to be a hero when the legitimate authority figures fail something that is of the right or of the left?

Sjatov's Avenging Angel said:

They are not. They are too ideological.

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I just wanted to point out that Avengers Endgame in one day made over $200 million. This is from what you consider to be an ultra ideological and liberal company.

Sjatov's Avenging Angel said:

Allowing extras to work for free and reducing movie copyringhts to 20 years woould mess with the ability of the current studio system to preach their values or qoute unqoute values.

I legit think it could lead to a more ideologicaly diverse entertainemnt landscape.

They had everything 2 years ago in terms of legilsative power.

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I'm kinda confuzzled. How would allowing extras to work for free make for a more ideologically diverse entertainment landscape?
Idk how reducing movie copyrights to 20 yrs would do what you want either bc in 20 yrs time society's already evolved anyhow. I've seen maybe 10 movies that are 20 yrs old, all Disney except for Titanic, Schindler's List & Sound of Music. Oh and Matrix, lol. What is that you want to see in movies & tv shows?

To answer the OP's question, the right can't "even the chances" in the culture war because the right hasn't cultivated among its ranks an appreciation for the arts. There are a handful of rich conservatives still floating around who give a rip (e.g. David Koch) but among the rank and file, that appreciation has largely been left to die. You can't change an industry if you're not raising people to appreciate it and work within it.

Sjatov's Avenging Angel said:

Allowing extras to work for free and reducing movie copyringhts to 20 years woould mess with the ability of the current studio system to preach their values or qoute unqoute values.

I legit think it could lead to a more ideologicaly diverse entertainemnt landscape.

They had everything 2 years ago in terms of legilsative power.

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Who in the Entertainment industry leadership is a member of the right?

yougottabekidding said:

Who in the Entertainment industry leadership is a member of the right?

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Tom Selleck and Clint Eastwood come to mind. But perhaps neither of them is far enough to the right for some of the right.

keith99 said:

Tom Selleck and Clint Eastwood come to mind. But perhaps neither of them is far enough to the right for some of the right.

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Neither hold leadership roles -

yougottabekidding said:

Neither hold leadership roles -

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Both are producers. How much higher do you want? That is as high as it gets where someone is visible to the general public.

keith99 said:

Both are producers. How much higher do you want? That is as high as it gets where someone is visible to the general public.

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let's run with that:

what percentage of the industry do they control?

1%?
5%

yougottabekidding said:

Who in the Entertainment industry leadership is a member of the right?

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You know what Steve Mnuchin did before becoming treasury secretary, right?

You know what Trump did before becoming president, right?

Lots of people in the entertainment industry are right-wing, particularly those in the business end of things.

yougottabekidding said:

Neither hold leadership roles -

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What's your idea of a "leadership role" in the entertainment industry? "Hollywood" isn't some monolithic organization. Eastwood has slowed down in recent years (for obvious reasons) but he and his production company have been wildly successful and influential.

Malpaso Productions - Wikipedia

I've heard interviews with a few actors and designers who've worked with him and the way they describe him verges on awestruck.

Another thing I'm confuzzled about is what the OP means by the Right. By conservatives, Christians. I'm an American but don't live in America ATM, there's different understandings of what those words mean. There are Christians who work in the entertainment industry! I do think they have an influence. I'm friends IRL with a girl on here who is from LA. Her church has got a whole ministry just for ppl who work in that industry. She is a songwriter & songs she's written have been used in TV shows & for promos. A lot of them are inspired by Scripture. I think that does have an influence especially bc I think if ppl like a song they'll download it & music stays in your head longer.

Sjatov's Avenging Angel said:

What do you base this idea on?

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I work in the arts/entertainment industry. My wife and most of my friends work in arts/entertainment and/or in academia related to it.

I grew up very conservative (I did a presentation about Rush Limbaugh in 8th grade and also caught the tail end of the Satanic Panic); my family is still very conservative and I'm very familiar with the rhetoric that permeates that culture and the media pundits who influence it.

IME, being effective in the arts requires a level of curiosity, empathy, understanding, and comfort with ambiguity (particularly moral ambiguity) that is extremely hard to find (and often discouraged) on the right. It also requires treating art and practitioners of the arts with some measure of respect and thoughtfulness, yet my entire life I've watch the far right denegrate the entire industry and everyone in it as a bunch of godless, liberal heathens and their work as trash to be burned in the town square.

Your side can't be effective in an industry that you train your children to despise and distrust. Few of them will be inspired to enter that field in the first place, and those who do will be at a competitive disadvantage because they'll have to unlearn all of that nonsense before being able to do the work.

Federalist and National Review are read by the rank and file and they do have arts coverage, so does Reason Magazine.

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I wasn't aware of this, so I did some looking.

I went back through about a week and a half of Federalist posts and didn't see much beyond reviews of GoT or Marvel movies. (given this week's lineup, that's not surprising and FWIW I don't necessarily fault them for that) Some were stupid; some were fine, but not terribly thoughtful. None of it was inspiring. But even assuming that there is some good, legitimate, thoughtful art criticism and understanding buried in there that I just didn't find, getting there would've required wading through tons and tons of simple-minded, dishonest invective (in the form of their other articles) that is entirely antithetical to creating good art. Any prospect of engendering art appreciation in a single piece would've been undone by the dozens of bitterly negative headlines past which you would've had to scroll to get there.

National Review was notably better, but they're sort of the last bastion of Never-Trumpers, so I don't know how representative they are of the whole of the right. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a high correlation between being a never-Trumper and appreciating art. Ditto for Reason. I didn't find much on Reason aside from their TV section, but they strike me more as sensible libertarians than as hard-right antagonists a la Hannity et al. They would be the places I'd expect to find Koch and the other remaining rich art-appreciating holdouts.

Sjatov's Avenging Angel said:

You reduced some barriers to entry.

Working class man who think PC culture is nonsense, feminism dismissed just like many other ideologies are, Islam getting made fun just like christianity was...

i could go on and on...

Are you absolutely 100% sure taht quote unqoute steps backward never happen?



What do you base this idea on? Federalist and National Review are read by the rank and file and they do have arts coverage, so does Reason Magazine.


Lean toward capitalism on the capitalism vs socialism scale...
It has multiple tribes.

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There already are no barriers to becoming an extra. They have zilch influence.

Cimorene said:

There already are no barriers to becoming an extra. They have zilch influence.

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He's not concerned about becoming an extra. He thinks he should be able to not pay them.

Sjatov's Avenging Angel said:

You reduced some barriers to entry.

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Those "barriers to entry" are just part of the cost of doing business. They apply to everybody regardless of ideological leanings. Removing them isn't going to magically make it easier for conservatives to create movies.

Arcangl86 said:

He's not concerned about becoming an extra.

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Oh I know. It's all convoluted thinking.

I'm guessing he's never tried to become an extra or he'd know there's no barriers to becoming an extra & they have zero influence. It's even in the LA tour guides how to become an extra for the day. I was wanting to be an extra when I was visiting friends in LA, but then I found out how much bullpoop you have to deal with & didn't want to lose a whole day of fun.

He thinks he should be able to not pay them.

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Is he even in the position hire anybody anyway? Bc I got the feeling he's not hiring anybody but I haven't read the thread the whole way through.

Cimorene said:

Is he even in the position hire anybody anyway? Bc I got the feeling he's not hiring anybody but I haven't read the thread the whole way through.

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He seems to want people to work for free - which they actually can if it's a non-union movie - and not get paid royalties if he uses their work past a certain age....but perhaps I misunderstood?

iluvatar5150 said:

To answer the OP's question, the right can't "even the chances" in the culture war because the right hasn't cultivated among its ranks an appreciation for the arts. There are a handful of rich conservatives still floating around who give a rip (e.g. David Koch) but among the rank and file, that appreciation has largely been left to die. You can't change an industry if you're not raising people to appreciate it and work within it.

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They, (rich conservatives) could always do the time honored thing and patronize the arts. I think this wouldn't really work out anyway though, but I would like to see it.

The problem I see here is that getting people involved on the right wing side of things usually means just getting them angry.

Arcangl86 said:

Those "barriers to entry" are just part of the cost of doing business. They apply to everybody regardless of ideological leanings. Removing them isn't going to magically make it easier for conservatives to create movies.

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I'm glad you put barriers to entry in quotes. Things like extras are variable costs of production and are not a barrier to entry. Barriers to entry are high fixed costs or regulatory issues that have to be dealt with to get in to a business. Having to build a sound stage would fall under that. And for the record I go past one independent sound stage that I know is for rent on one of my bike routes and can find a half dozen more barely trying. So that barrier does not exist.