claninja
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Psalms 83:
1 Keep not thou silence, O God: hold not thy peace, and be not still, O God.
2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3 They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
Supersessionism fulfills this scripture.
You conveniently left out verses 5-8. the context of those crafting against the nation of Israel to cut them off during the time Psalm 83 was written:
Psalm 83:5-8 For they conspire with one accord; against you they make a covenant—the tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites, Moab and the Hagrites, Gebal and Ammon and Amalek,
Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;Asshur also has joined them;they are the strong arm of the children of Lot.
Making comments that the gentiles are restored in fulfillment of Zechariah 10:6 and that their restoration was fulfilled in Christ cuts off the nation of Israel and takes some council with the enemy.
With comments like this, Jerry, you seem to believe that Ephraim never became a multitude of nations or were never called ,"not my people".
So then Ephraim was still God's people during the 700 years of Assyrian exile leading up to Christ?
I disagree, as this would be contrary to scripture. Because Ephraim/Joseph/House of Israel broke the covenant, God divorced them, made them "not his people" and scattered them among the nations.
Hosea 1:4-8 And the Lord said to him, “Call his name Jezreel, for in just a little while I will punish the house of Jehu for the blood of Jezreel, and I will put an end to the kingdom of the house of Israel. And on that day I will break the bow of Israel in the Valley of Jezreel.”She conceived again and bore a daughter. And the Lord said to him, “Call her name No Mercy,a for I will no more have mercy on the house of Israel, to forgive them at all. But I will have mercy on the house of Judah, and I will save them by the Lord their God. I will not save them by bow or by sword or by war or by horses or by horsemen.”
When she had weaned No Mercy, she conceived and bore a son. And the Lord said, “Call his name Not My People, for you are not my people, and I am not your God.”c
Jeremiah 3:8 She saw that for all the adulteries of that faithless one, Israel, I had sent her away with a decree of divorce
So Ephraim, over 700 years of being scattered by the Assyrians, did not become a multitude of nations?
I disagree, as That would be contrary to scripture. It is prophesied that Ephraim would become a multitude of nations.
Genesis 48:19 But his father refused and said, “I know, my son, I know. He also shall become a people, and he also shall be great. Nevertheless, his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his offspring shall become a multitude of nations.”
***So if Ephraim was to become a multitude of nations, as well as "not my people" in regards to the special relationship God had with the nation Israel, then what would that make them? That would make them gentiles and we can confirm this with NT scripture.
For Paul has the gathering of gentiles as fulfilling hosea 1:10 and hosea 2:23. Thus by God calling the gentiles, he fulfills His promise to Ephraim to gather them with Judah under ONE HEAD who is Christ.
Romans 9:24-26 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? As indeed he says in Hosea,“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’ and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’” “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus
It maintains the prophecies and promise to Israel were based on works and not grace.
How so, Jerry? How does God including gentiles into the body of Christ maintain the promises and prophecies to Israel are based on works and not grace?
And if by grace they are restored as a nation in the age to come in conformity with premillennialism and not supersessionism.
Restored how, jerry? restored to the old covenantal status under the Mosaic law or restored to God through the new covenant?
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