Bold Prediction: Over-the-phone ministered healing to a specific member of this community!

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Now look at this one.

"This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us" (1 John 5:14).

Ahh! He won't listen to every request! He will only consider prayer requests according to His will (not ours). That means if the OP is praying and believing according to his own will and not God's will in the method and timing of the healing he is believing for, then God will ignore his request until he waits on Him to find His will in how to approach the issue. The issue is not whether God wants to heal people or not, because the Scripture says, "I am the God who heals you" (Exodus 15:26). The issue is using "faith" to force God into doing something through a method that is the will of the OP but not necessarily God's will.
Is it God's will for people to remain sick when he has given us the authority (the green light go-ahead) to heal them? What are we waiting for? Double green lights? (for the double-minded)
 
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I dont follow the traditions of men, and I do believe that God always heals when asked and allowed to do so.....Yet I still disagree with the OP...... I feel that the method of prayer which he displays are almost opposite of that which is outline in the bible.....yet he will say that God isnt doing something, if he fails, instead of looking at his approach to prayer. a little pride can be sensed in general and in the reaction to possible failure......as the blame would not be put on himself....but God.
The OP is about acting under God-given kingdom authority to administer healing. Which is worse? To sit and do nothing when we should go, or to go not knowing the result? (or timing) Everyone assumes the OP is outside the will of God. How do you know that?
 
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I'm not.
I'm saying that God doesn't always heal in the way that we ask him to - fact.
You clearly have no answers for the examples I gave.
The answer is not in human logic. Healing is NOT logical.
 
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And again - if God told the OP he would have an over-the-phone healing ministry and should pray on a certain day and time for someone's healing, why are we not, today, rejoicing in evidence of that healing?
Don't assume that God is not in this. Your presumptions are meaningless.
 
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Is it God's will for people to remain sick when he has given us the authority (the green light go-ahead) to heal them? What are we waiting for? Double green lights? (for the double-minded)
The reality is that people do remain sick in spite of prayer and "commanding healing".

There may be other reasons why this is so, other than the lack of prayer and faith.

* Withdrawal of the Holy Spirit from a church because of hidden sin in its leadership.
* People not discerning the body and blood of the Lord when taking communion on Sunday morning (Paul cites this as a definite reason why people remain sick and die before their time).
* Churches adopting New Age mind control doctrines, supporting Norman Vincent Peale and Robert Schuller's doctrines.
* Members mis-using the gift of prophecy and word of knowledge to control others, including the pastor.
* A large proportion of members believing that God does not heal today.

All these can block the Holy Spirit from doing anything, including healing.
 
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Where does it say that God has given us kingdom authority to heal the sick?
Matthew 10:1
Jesus called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out impure spirits and to heal every disease and sickness.

Matthew 28:17-20
When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

Luke 10:19-20
I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

Matthew 10:8
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.
 
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The OP is about acting under God-given kingdom authority to administer healing. Which is worse? To sit and do nothing when we should go, or to go not knowing the result? (or timing) Everyone assumes the OP is outside the will of God. How do you know that?
No. The OP is acting under his own authority. His attitude shows that. He is ignoring the Scripture: "Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God" (1 Peter 5:6). If the sick person did get healed through the "authority" of the OP, Jesus would not get the glory. The OP would say, "I did that!"
 
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If we push our own authority, we will fail, because we are not waiting to see whether the Holy Spirit wants to work in the way we are proposing.
If I asked you to pray for my healing would you turn me away because God hasn't told you to minister healing to me? Or do you have the authority to pray and minister healing right now?
 
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No. The OP is acting under his own authority. His attitude shows that. He is ignoring the Scripture: "Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God" (1 Peter 5:6). If the sick person did get healed through the "authority" of the OP, Jesus would not get the glory. The OP would say, "I did that!"
Oscarr, I can't believe you wrote that.
That is not Johnny's heart at all.

I don't want to debate with you if you are getting upset.
Let's give it a rest if need be. You go ahead and have the last word.
 
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More on the subject of authority. Healing/deliverance commanded in Jesus' name.

Acts 3:16
By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.

Acts 3:6-8
Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.” 7 Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man’s feet and ankles became strong. 8 He jumped to his feet and began to walk. Then he went with them into the temple courts, walking and jumping, and praising God.

Acts 4:9-10
If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

Acts 16:18
She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
 
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The answer is not in human logic. Healing is NOT logical.

It's not human logic.
You state that God ALWAYS heals yet some born again, Spirit filled Christians died from their illnesses. I'm asking how you reconcile those two statements.
 
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Oscarr, I can't believe you wrote that.
That is not Johnny's heart at all.

I don't want to debate with you if you are getting upset.
Let's give it a rest if need be. You go ahead and have the last word.
I'm not getting upset at all.
I would love to see that sick person healed as the result of Johnny's ministry.

What concerns me is Johnny's use of faith, which seems to me more aligned to Norman Vincent Peale's positive thinking. It has been established that Peale subscribed to Eastern mysticism and mind control as well as being a professing Christian.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with having faith in God's power to heal a sick person. The Scripture is quite clear about that: "Have faith in God. Truly I tell you that if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and has no doubt in his heart but believes that it will happen, it will be done for him" (Mark 11:22). Notice that the reference starts with have faith in God. This is where faith has to be always directed. Faith has no power of its own. Faith links us with God's power.

Notice that Jesus prayed to His Father before ordering Lazarus to come out of the grave. He did not do it without conferring with His Father first. This is because Jesus came not to do His own will but His Father's will. Once He knew that it was the Father's will that Lazarus be brought back to life, Jesus had confidence to order Lazarus to come out.

Dave Hunt's ministry is really good at exposing sorcery and witchcraft in the church. He shows that people using faith as a power in itself are aligning themselves to eastern mystic mind control. "If I set my mind to this, it will happen". "If I think positively about this, I will achieve the result". This is exactly the same as "If I believe hard enough, that person will be healed."

Now, having said that, this is the way I would handle the sick person's healing. The first thing I would say is that I can't heal anyone, not even a flea with a headache; but I believe that Jesus heals people, and I am prepared to be obedient to God's Word when it says: "They shall lay hands on the sick and they shall recover." Then I tell the sick person that I can speak to the part of the body that is not functioning properly and tell it to resume its normal function, and I do that. Then I say, "Jesus heals you." If I think there is a spirit of infirmity there, I will cast it out. Then I tell the person that I have been obedient to God's Word, and we can leave the results to Jesus.

If there is opportunity to go back to that person every day and pray the same prayer, I will, because I am being obedient to the Scripture: "Pray without ceasing", and "Men always ought to pray and not to faint". Persistence in prayer is not unbelief because I would be following a Scriptural principle in repeating the prayer day after day. This is called the endurance of faith. The Scripture says, "Through faith and patience we inherit the promises of God" (Hebrews 6:12).

Also, it is important to spend as much time as possible in personal and private intercession for the person. This is not "naming and claiming", but it is praying through with, and waiting upon God that He will cause that person to recover.
 
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Don't assume that God is not in this. Your presumptions are meaningless.

I'm not presuming anything.
If this person had been physically healed, in the way that Johnny was expecting, he'd be back posting on here again. That's what he said; "I'm not posting til he's been healed."
 
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More on the subject of authority. Healing/deliverance commanded in Jesus' name.

Acts 3:16
By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.

Acts 3:6-8
Then Peter said, “Silver or gold I do not have, but what I do have I give you. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, walk.” 7 Taking him by the right hand, he helped him up, and instantly the man’s feet and ankles became strong. 8 He jumped to his feet and began to walk. Then he went with them into the temple courts, walking and jumping, and praising God.

Acts 4:9-10
If we are being called to account today for an act of kindness shown to a man who was lame and are being asked how he was healed, 10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed.

Acts 16:18
She kept this up for many days. Finally Paul became so annoyed that he turned around and said to the spirit, “In the name of Jesus Christ I command you to come out of her!” At that moment the spirit left her.
No argument about that at all!

But remember that the church in the first century was quite different to the church we have now. Those Apostles had been with Jesus. They were present at the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit fell on them. They did not have all the problems, issues, contrary doctrines, pagan influences, that we have in our churches today that edges the Holy Spirit out and the ways of man in.

We have 2000 years of garbage in our churches that needs to be cleaned out before we can regain the Holy Spirit power those original Apostles had.

We certainly have the guidelines in the Bible to tell us what to do in relation to sick people, but we need to spend time with God to allow the Holy Spirit to teach us how to make God's Word real and powerful to heal the sick. And this is not just getting some random thought in our heads and saying that is the Holy Spirit. I am come to the stage where I have told God that because nine out of every ten impressions come from the world, flesh or the devil, the Holy Spirit would have to be so clear to me that He would almost have to belt me over the head to get through my thick skull about what and how he wants me to go about using any of the gifts of the Spirit.

All He has told me to date is to put my hands on the wrist of any sick person who comes across my path who accepts it, and just say "Jesus heals you", and then leave the result to Him. He has not told me to expect miraculous, instant healing for anyone, and until He does, very clearly, then I won't.
 
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Healing and the kingdom (authority) are linked together.

Matthew 4:23
Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people.

Matthew 9:35
Jesus went through all the towns and villages, teaching in their synagogues, proclaiming the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness.

Luke 9:11
but the crowds learned about it and followed him. He welcomed them and spoke to them about the kingdom of God, and healed those who needed healing.
 
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The OP is about acting under God-given kingdom authority to administer healing.
This is an assumption...which should be respected just as much as the assumptions given by the ones who oppose the OP. Unless we are the OP'er there is no way to determine the heart of the writer by the words written

Which is worse? To sit and do nothing when we should go, or to go not knowing the result? (or timing)
Actually, to " go, not knowing the results" it worse than not doing anything at all.....but it implies doubt with expectations of success.

When you pray you must believe that you received already and then you will receive....the bible says.

So to be in line with scripture......there much be no thought of actions to take IF the pray is not answered. The OP implied doubt when the thought of the request not being answered arose in his mind.
If you know God will answer, or answered already....the thought of "If he doesnt" would not arise...period.

So the OP shows doubt in the words.....while speaking unfavorably about others who show doubt as well. Which is agreeable since the bible also states that we are judged when we judge others.....

Everyone assumes the OP is outside the will of God. How do you know that?

Like I side above....Their assumptions should be respected just as much as the assumptions of those who exclaim that he IS in the will. Both are assuming.... We have to accept them all or reject them all.

I find no fault in one having either opinion..
 
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It's not human logic.
You state that God ALWAYS heals yet some born again, Spirit filled Christians died from their illnesses. I'm asking how you reconcile those two statements.
You are asking me to verbalize unbelief. No thanks.
I will not make such a declaration.
 
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But remember that the church in the first century was quite different to the church we have now. Those Apostles had been with Jesus. They were present at the Day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit fell on them. They did not have all the problems, issues, contrary doctrines, pagan influences, that we have in our churches today that edges the Holy Spirit out and the ways of man in.
That's both unbelief and the traditions of men. (#1 and #2)
And frankly skating awfully close to Cessationism.
 
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What concerns me is Johnny's use of faith, which seems to me more aligned to Norman Vincent Peale's positive thinking. It has been established that Peale subscribed to Eastern mysticism and mind control as well as being a professing Christian.
If eastern mysticism is a counterfeit, what is it a counterfeit of?
 
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You are asking me to verbalize unbelief. No thanks.
I will not make such a declaration.

No, I'm asking you to reconcile two facts - you state God always heals; evangelist who believed in God's healing did not receive it but died of cancer.

Dismissing my question as unbelief might excuse you from answering it, when you can't. But any non Christian sincerely struggling with the issue who wanted an answer, would not be satisfied and feel fobbed off.
 
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