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So you don't believe God always heals, nor does he always hear our prayers.
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Bold Prediction: Over-the-phone ministered healing to a specific member of this community!
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So you are blaming God?
Concluding that God doesn't always heal is unbelief. (#1)
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You said: "I have respect for those who admit they are wrong."
Who was wrong?
Something doesn't have to make sense to be right.
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It could happen.
It happened to me just last month. Even since then, all discomfort has been rolled back--I haven't felt this good in two years.
Calling It: The Lord Healed Me Last Week
This is a thing I find difficult, though: How do I rejoice about this with a brother who I know is going through something similar and has found no respite?
It happened to me just last month. Even since then, all discomfort has been rolled back--I haven't felt this good in two years.
Calling It: The Lord Healed Me Last Week
This is a thing I find difficult, though: How do I rejoice about this with a brother who I know is going through something similar and has found no respite?
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Logic is the problem here, not the solution.
The traditions of men. (#2)
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Actually, it is fact, because the reality is that in our current time a person does not always get healed as the result of prayer and belief. Unbelief is used as an excuse when healing doesn't happen.
I think it is more of getting the person to check that he is acting out of faith and trust in God, rather than presumption that God is going to be a vending machine for him and to being the results the he wants instead of the way God might want.
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I disagree because he is operating out of presumption - that he is presuming that God is going to heal the person in the way he is prescribing, instead of waiting upon God to get a definite word from Him to indicate what God wants him to do in this particular situation.
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What a great verse! Applies directly to the OP. There is no doubt that the intentions are good, but one must be armed with the appropriate knowledge before having any confidence that the method is going to achieve the desired results.
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The Scripture says, "The eyes of the Lord are upon the righteous and His ears are open to their prayers" (1 Peter 3:12).
The Scripture also says: "Everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God, and He will answer immediately, granting you what you desire" (Philippians 4:6).
Whoops! Is that what it says? Well, that's what many Christians believe!!!
But what does it really say??
"Everything by prayer and supplication, with thanksgiving, make your requests known to God, and the peace of God that passes all understanding will keep your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus."
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"This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us" (1 John 5:14).
Ahh! He won't listen to every request! He will only consider prayer requests according to His will (not ours). That means if the OP is praying and believing according to his own will and not God's will in the method and timing of the healing he is believing for, then God will ignore his request until he waits on Him to find His will in how to approach the issue. The issue is not whether God wants to heal people or not, because the Scripture says, "I am the God who heals you" (Exodus 15:26). The issue is using "faith" to force God into doing something through a method that is the will of the OP but not necessarily God's will.
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Not at all.
We don't know that God TOLD the OP to pray at 1.30 on Wednesday for someone's physical healing.
We don't know that GOD said to the OP - "show me you are serious in your faith and do not post on CF again until he is healed".
Believe that God can make a mistake? Never.
Believe that we, fallible, human beings can get it wrong or jump to conclusions? Certainly.
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I dont follow the traditions of men, and I do believe that God always heals when asked and allowed to do so.....Yet I still disagree with the OP...... I feel that the method of prayer which he displays are almost opposite of that which is outline in the bible.....yet he will say that God isnt doing something, if he fails, instead of looking at his approach to prayer. a little pride can be sensed in general and in the reaction to possible failure......as the blame would not be put on himself....but God.
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I'm not.
I'm saying that God doesn't always heal in the way that we ask him to - fact.
You clearly have no answers for the examples I gave.
And again - if God told the OP he would have an over-the-phone healing ministry and should pray on a certain day and time for someone's healing, why are we not, today, rejoicing in evidence of that healing?
Even Johnny himself broke his own rule by coming to give us an update and said "it has not happened at this time."
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Where does it say that God has given us kingdom authority to heal the sick? I see that Jesus has all authority in earth and in heaven, and has given us the power of attorney to use His Name to cast out demons. But there is nothing supporting the view that Jesus has transferred His authority to us at all.
It is the Holy Spirit who is working as the Representative of Jesus in us; therefore we need to know when we do something like ministering to a sick person that we are in unity with the Holy Spirit with what we want to do. If we push our own authority, we will fail, because we are not waiting to see whether the Holy Spirit wants to work in the way we are proposing.
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