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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

What "plight" would that be?

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straykat said:

One more thing, Constantinople was always the hope of Russians.. and they had to deal with setbacks previous to WW1 too. So I think it's sad that people would point to Hagia Sofia under Islamic rule as if Orthodox WANT this themselves. Russia was the power that made attempts to rectify this, but finally was killed off.

From Wikipedia. Nicholas I of Russia - Wikipedia

In 1853 Mikhail Pogodin, professor of history at Moscow University, wrote a memorandum to Nicholas. Tsar Nicholas himself read Pogodin's text and approvingly commented: "That is the whole point."

"France takes Algeria from Turkey, and almost every year England annexes another Indian principality: none of this disturbs the balance of power; but when Russia occupies Moldavia and Wallachia, albeit only temporarily, that disturbs the balance of power. France occupies Rome and stays there several years during peacetime: that is nothing; but Russia only thinks of occupying Constantinople, and the peace of Europe is threatened. The English declare war on the Chinese, who have, it seems, offended them: no one has the right to intervene; but Russia is obliged to ask Europe for permission if it quarrels with its neighbor. England threatens Greece to support the false claims of a miserable Jew and burns its fleet: that is a lawful action; but Russia demands a treaty to protect millions of Christians, and that is deemed to strengthen its position in the East at the expense of the balance of power. We can expect nothing from the West but blind hatred and malice..."

And I would add that the blind malice still exists.

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Erik Nelson said:

according to the History Channel documentary Ottoman empire, the Ottomans financed the protestants against the Catholics who were defending Europe against them

if so, ties between Turkey and Germany began in the 16th century or earlier... Making WWI-II more comprehensible on that front

obviously be nice to know the original source they were citing

maybe worth remembering that Otto von Bismarck, the "George Washington" who unified Germany, repeatedly said and did, "make a good treaty with Russia"

the Germans ousted their own "GW" to turn on Russia for the Ottomans

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straykat said:

Loss of land and homes.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Orthodox and Catholics? In what respect?

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straykat said:

You do know that Palestine was once open territory full of different people right.. and not just taken over by Israel? And that many of those people lost their homes? And the native Christian population is next to nothing now (just over 1% apparently)?

Ask yourself what could compel some Christians to "NOT" want to forgive, in this video. It's sad that they even say that, but it didn't come from nothing or pure malice.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

You blame all that on Israel??? The Christian population has been decimated because of radical Muslims and the PLO...THAT is a fact. You do know that it was the British that partitioned land...some went to build Israel but the MAJORITY went to make Jordan, which was supposed to be the "palestinian" homeland. The Arabs use them as pawns. Christians in Muslim territories HAVE to be pro-muslim...it gets bad for them if they aren't...

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straykat said:

Not Israel alone. You just mentioned Britain yourself. Them too. And I mentioned Evangelical support earlier btw. They turn a blind eye to the suffering of their own brothers, for the sake of graceless people who are magically worth more attention simply on account of race. Or worse, some support them out of some abominable desire to get Israel to build a third temple.

As far as Palestine goes, Muslims aren't forcing anyone to do that. Elsewhere, it's far more trouble admittedly. But I'm trying to keep focused on this area for now.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

So you want to blame everyone else except where the problem is...with the Arabs and the PLO (I will add in Iran too since they sponsor the terrorists in the area...Hamas and Hezbollah). The PLO steals money given to it to aide and help the people and instead use it to pay terrorists. Who the Evangelicals support is up to them.

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straykat said:

No, I want to support Christians in the Middle East. Nothing more, nothing less. If you want to twist that as me supporting terrorists, that's your problem. My conscience is clear.

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Yeshua HaDerekh said:

So support Christians in the ME. don't blame only Israel as well as Evangelicals to do it...

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straykat said:

These two aren't compatible. Because the second never means don't blame "only". It means "don't blame at all".

And when I say I side with the Christians, I mean I ACTUALLY side with them. They blame them Israel and Evangelicals themselves. I don't mean side with them in some pointless abstract way. I mean I agree with their actual words and take their experiences for the truth. You can't support Palestinian Christians and then call them liars in the same breath.

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straykat said:

...Palestinian Christians and then call them liars in the same breath.

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Erik Nelson said:

Orthodox Study Bible

Acts 9:32+
Peter's raising of Tabitha from the dead parallels Christ's raising of the synagogue ruler's daughter (Mt 9:22–25).

Did any other Apostle manifested that level of spiritual blessing?

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Erik Nelson said:

Orthodox Study Bible

Acts 9:32+
Peter's raising of Tabitha from the dead parallels Christ's raising of the synagogue ruler's daughter (Mt 9:22–25).

Did any other Apostle manifested that level of spiritual blessing?

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Erik Nelson said:

Orthodox Study Bible

Acts 9:32+
Peter's raising of Tabitha from the dead parallels Christ's raising of the synagogue ruler's daughter (Mt 9:22–25).

Did any other Apostle manifested that level of spiritual blessing?

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Erik Nelson said:

Jesus told his Apostles and followers to FLEE from Jerusalem when they saw it surrounded by armies in 70 AD (Luke 21). Obeying his command, they "came out of Her" (Revelation 18). Saint Peter and the other pillars of the church had already been driven OUT of Jerusalem, almost 30 years earlier. In about 41 AD (Acts 12).

Jerusalem (Revelation 11:8) was judged, tragically and terribly, in 70 AD. So I fear what you stated is a dangerous argument to make.

It matters most where Christ and the spirit and the spiritual temple of God reside. Not things physical and earthly. Much less the place where the Crucifixion occurred.

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