Is it really impossible for those who have been born again to depart from the faith?

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Okay so its a commonly held belief in Christianity that it is impossible for a born again believer to depart from the faith due to verses like Hebrews 6:4-6, Luke 8:13, and 1 John 2:19. Hebrews 6:4-6 says in the kjv that it is impossible for a born again Christian to leave the faith and if it were possible than there's no way for that person to get their salvation back. So Christians who leave the faith are said to be never born again since only a born again Christian could remain in the faith for forever.

But is this really true? I'm not trying to question the bible and Jesus's statement in John 6:39-40 is very clear. Not one born again believer will be lost. But my question and doubts mostly come from the book of Hebrews. Why would the writer say in the book of Hebrews that IF it were possible there would be no way for that person to get their salvation back? Why not just end with it is impossible for a born again believer to leave the faith? See what I'm saying? Why add the possibility of what would happen if a born again believer left the faith?

To me that kind of negates their previous statement and it says that it is possible for a born again believer to leave the faith and if they do there's no way to get that salvation back. But that's twisting what they said and its not what they're saying at all.


So is it possible for a born again believer to leave the faith? Yes or no? And if they do leave the faith is it possible for them to get their salvation back? What are your thoughts on this?
But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins. (Matthew 6:15, 1984 NIV)

In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed. “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.” (Matthew 18:34-35, 1984 NIV)

And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins.’” (Mark 11:25, 1984 NIV)
 
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Okay so its a commonly held belief in Christianity that it is impossible for a born again believer to depart from the faith due to verses like Hebrews 6:4-6, Luke 8:13, and 1 John 2:19. Hebrews 6:4-6 says in the kjv that it is impossible for a born again Christian to leave the faith and if it were possible than there's no way for that person to get their salvation back. So Christians who leave the faith are said to be never born again since only a born again Christian could remain in the faith for forever.

But is this really true? I'm not trying to question the bible and Jesus's statement in John 6:39-40 is very clear. Not one born again believer will be lost. But my question and doubts mostly come from the book of Hebrews. Why would the writer say in the book of Hebrews that IF it were possible there would be no way for that person to get their salvation back? Why not just end with it is impossible for a born again believer to leave the faith? See what I'm saying? Why add the possibility of what would happen if a born again believer left the faith?

To me that kind of negates their previous statement and it says that it is possible for a born again believer to leave the faith and if they do there's no way to get that salvation back. But that's twisting what they said and its not what they're saying at all.


So is it possible for a born again believer to leave the faith? Yes or no? And if they do leave the faith is it possible for them to get their salvation back? What are your thoughts on this?
One very important and true principle of interpretation is to let clear passages interpret unclear or murky ones. I believe that the clear passages in the middle of the Gospel of John makes me say that the writer to the Hebrews must have something else in mind than true believers losing their salvation. They must be leaving the church and wandering away from believers. There are unchurched believers. I met many when I was a full-time pastor. The trouble is that we don't know people's hearts; only God does.
 
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The simple is.. some Jewish people got saved.. but then sinned and would try to go offer a sacrifice for that sin. The sweet sweet Holy Spirit through Paul said.. there is no more sacrifice for that sin. Can Christ die again? Its been taken care of ALL sins.. we repent if we sin..we dont have a right to freely sin.

The other was about some that saw. tasted of God. They saw.. heard..tasted.. yet walked away. WHY would they come to Christ? They already know.. they were never saved. To bring back is almost impossible. Not about those who HAVE.. Maybe it helps its like going to that place for dinner.. and you TASTE something.. na.. I know I dont want it. others.. OOH GIVE ME ALL OF IT!

You were given to Christ... and did not He not man. Say.. He NEVER losses any? One of the 12 was never His. Was never saved then fell. Jesus had not died and rose yet..no one was saved born again.

If you think you goofed up :) just repent.. try not to keep doing it and go on. You are right now in right standing with the Father.. you are righteous...because you believe in Christ and if this was GOD talking to you ..you would have no fear. God has not given you the spirit of fear but of power and love and a sound mind..fear has torment. God uses peace.

So..pray about this these verses..you ask HIM you seek HIM...He will WILL show you in HIS word what He meant.. ALWAYS does.. He IS in you.. you are HIS! Family
 
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Okay so its a commonly held belief in Christianity that it is impossible for a born again believer to depart from the faith due to verses like Hebrews 6:4-6, Luke 8:13, and 1 John 2:19. Hebrews 6:4-6 says in the kjv that it is impossible for a born again Christian to leave the faith and if it were possible than there's no way for that person to get their salvation back. So Christians who leave the faith are said to be never born again since only a born again Christian could remain in the faith for forever.

But is this really true? I'm not trying to question the bible and Jesus's statement in John 6:39-40 is very clear. Not one born again believer will be lost. But my question and doubts mostly come from the book of Hebrews. Why would the writer say in the book of Hebrews that IF it were possible there would be no way for that person to get their salvation back? Why not just end with it is impossible for a born again believer to leave the faith? See what I'm saying? Why add the possibility of what would happen if a born again believer left the faith?

To me that kind of negates their previous statement and it says that it is possible for a born again believer to leave the faith and if they do there's no way to get that salvation back. But that's twisting what they said and its not what they're saying at all.


So is it possible for a born again believer to leave the faith? Yes or no? And if they do leave the faith is it possible for them to get their salvation back? What are your thoughts on this?

I have come across many who *thought* they were believers, but who were not. Depending on how 'churched' they were, this can be difficult to persuade them, that they never really knew the faith. They knew a religion. They knew a church. They knew some words. But, really, they were practicing a 'do this, don't do that' religion.

This is most epidemic in groups that are poor, and heavily rely on rituals, and many 'necessary things to do for salvation', instead of teaching the word Christ spoke to us.

Hebrews does appear to contradict these verses. So, when you find an apparent contradiction, you have to weigh it with the other verses, which are clear. The only conclusion you can come to, is personal. Go to God and seek forgiveness.

Peter said, 'make your salvation sure, with fear and trembling'. 3 John has good advice on how to proceed with the faith, to ensure you are on the right path.

If you have to go through some fear and trembling, to make your salvation sure, what price is that?

'Don't take the highest seat, take the lower seat'.

It might take a lot of seeking to 'make your salvation sure', keep at it, until it is sure.

If you are doing these things, you are taking the hard to find road. You are taking the right path.
 
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Okay so its a commonly held belief in Christianity that it is impossible for a born again believer to depart from the faith due to verses like Hebrews 6:4-6, Luke 8:13, and 1 John 2:19. Hebrews 6:4-6 says in the kjv that it is impossible for a born again Christian to leave the faith and if it were possible than there's no way for that person to get their salvation back. So Christians who leave the faith are said to be never born again since only a born again Christian could remain in the faith for forever.

But is this really true? I'm not trying to question the bible and Jesus's statement in John 6:39-40 is very clear. Not one born again believer will be lost. But my question and doubts mostly come from the book of Hebrews. Why would the writer say in the book of Hebrews that IF it were possible there would be no way for that person to get their salvation back? Why not just end with it is impossible for a born again believer to leave the faith? See what I'm saying? Why add the possibility of what would happen if a born again believer left the faith?

To me that kind of negates their previous statement and it says that it is possible for a born again believer to leave the faith and if they do there's no way to get that salvation back. But that's twisting what they said and its not what they're saying at all.


So is it possible for a born again believer to leave the faith? Yes or no? And if they do leave the faith is it possible for them to get their salvation back? What are your thoughts on this?
Born again is baptism, that's why one should never get rebaptized.
 
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Can anyone break this down for me??
“Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-2‬ ‭NLT‬‬

My mom is convinced she has a seducing spirit IN her from listening to pastors teach on legalism and religion and not grace and mercy.
She is so worried that now she has lost her salvation due to deception and seduction. Because of this feeling so believes her conscience is seared and heart has been hardened and the Holy Spirit has left her..
insight???
1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites | New Living Translation (NLT) | Download The Bible App Now
 
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“Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites and liars, and their consciences are dead.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-2‬ ‭NLT‬‬

My mom is convinced she has a seducing spirit IN her from listening to pastors teach on legalism and religion and not grace and mercy.
She is so worried that now she has lost her salvation due to deception and seduction. Because of this feeling so believes her conscience is seared and heart has been hardened and the Holy Spirit has left her..
insight???
1 Timothy 4:1-2 Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from the true faith; they will follow deceptive spirits and teachings that come from demons. These people are hypocrites | New Living Translation (NLT) | Download The Bible App Now

One of my great aunts was a devout Seventh Day Adventist. One fine morning she got up, made breakfast for the family and got busy and cleaned her house. Later she discovered that it was Saturday and not Friday, as she had thought. She was convinced for an extremely long time that she had lost her salvation by working on the Sabbath.

You cannot lose what you don't have. If she didn't have salvation in the first place, then she could not have lost it. However, if scripture is true then despite what she might think or believe, she could not lose the gift of salvation which God has promised to everyone who believes in Jesus Christ.
 
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It's what Jesus said to do. How can that be meaningless?

Where did Jesus tell anyone to have a religious person say some magic words and get them wet and they would be born again, so that they would later not be born again, thereby not having any possible assurance that they had actually been born again? How long does eternal life last?
 
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Where did Jesus tell anyone to have a religious person say some magic words and get them wet and they would be born again, so that they would later not be born again, thereby not having any possible assurance that they had actually been born again? How long does eternal life last?
"Go baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"?
"You need to be born of water and Spirit"?
"The one who perseveres to the end will be saved"?
 
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"Go baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit"?
"You need to be born of water and Spirit"?
"The one who perseveres to the end will be saved"?

Proof texts out of context serving as a pretext for error.
 
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Why would the writer say in the book of Hebrews that IF it were possible there would be no way for that person to get their salvation back? Why not just end with it is impossible for a born again believer to leave the faith? See what I'm saying? Why add the possibility of what would happen if a born again believer left the faith?
Can we establish a born again believer is spoken of? Difficult passage let’s look at the context:

Hebrew 6: NASB

1Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2of instruction about washings and laying on of hands, and the resurrection of the dead and eternal judgment. 3And this we will do, if God permits.4For in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6and then have fallen away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and brings forth vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.


9But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way. 10For God is not unjust so as to forget your work and the love which you have shown toward His name, in having ministered and in still ministering to the saints. 11And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence so as to realize the full assurance of hope until the end, 12so that you will not be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

13For when God made the promise to Abraham, since He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, 14saying, “I WILL SURELY BLESS YOU AND I WILL SURELY MULTIPLY YOU.”15And so, having patiently waited, he obtained the promise. 16For men swear by one greater than themselves, and with them an oath given as confirmation is an end of every dispute. 17In the same way God, desiring even more to show to the heirs of the promise the unchangeableness of His purpose, interposed with an oath, 18so that by two unchangeable things in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have taken refuge would have strong encouragement to take hold of the hope set before us.19This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, 20where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek. (NASB)

I believe verse 7 is key to understanding. It brings to mind the parable of the soils.

Since this is a difficult passage a thorough exegesis is in order:

Hebrews 6 Commentary - John Owen Exposition of Hebrews
 
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