ICONO'CLAST
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Oh yes I did. It was not correctGuess you really didn't read what I wrote or understand it
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Oh yes I did. It was not correctGuess you really didn't read what I wrote or understand it
Jn14:26 was spoken only to them. You can believe what you want, but it does not change what is written,and to who it was written.wrong again,
Jesus said
"26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you."(John 14:26 KJV)
here we see that the Holy Ghost will teach them all things. We see that the Holy Ghost also teaches every believer all things 1 Coir 2 and 1 John 2:27 etc.
Also we do have words that Jesus said as they are recorded as well for us. In ministry these words are also brought to our remembrance when needed by the Holy Ghost and we can use them also. Yes, the apostles had a special ministration and some of them would write scripture and need to remember many of the words Jesus said and the way they were able to recall all the long sections of text would be the way as Jesus said.
But we too can have the Holy Ghost teach us all things and bring Jesus words to remembrance. There is a connection to the believers that Jesus spoke to then and all believers who hear Jesus in their heart and in His words in scripture.
Jesus was speaking of them going at that time in ministry as he said,You are taking that verse out of context. Jesus is predicting what would happen to believers in the future, after Pentecost. Here's the full passage..
Beware of men, for they will deliver you over to courts and flog you in their synagogues, and you will be dragged before governors and kings for my sake, to bear witness before them and the Gentiles. But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
When believers are dragged before the courts the Holy Spirit (the Spirit of the Father here) will give them the words to say as a special enabling. No disciple was dragged before the courts....
Your correction is 1 Cor 2 and 1 John 2:27Jn14:26 was spoken only to them. You can believe what you want, but it does not change what is written,and to who it was written.
And so far you have not given any true correction of the scriptures I used or the way I used them. You simply say things like “it was not correct”Oh yes I did. It was not correct
Wrong as scripture easily correct you here.
Acts 2:39
"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call."
Here is more of your correction. May God bless you as you consider these things.
Spoken to all believers
"And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. 10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned."(1 Corinthians 2:1-14 KJV)
and yes it was spoken for all believers everywhere
"Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:"(1 Corinthians 1:2 KJV)
and when Jesus said what he said to the apostles. They are parts of the body of Christ the church and we read,
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:...13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."(John 16:8,13 KJV)
This is directly in line with 1 Cor 2 and Acts 2 when the Holy Ghost came upon all the disciples not just the aposltes. He will giude them into ALL truth just as he does in 1 John 2:27 where John speaks of the anointing that will teach them all things. This is the unction that helps them to know all things that God would give. As scripture clearly says,
"20 But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things....27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."(1 John 2:20,27 KJV)
Clearly we just read that
The Holy Ghost teaches the saints and searches ALL THINGS ( 1 Cor 2
And the Spirit of truth will guide them into ALL TRUTH John 16:13 KJV)
And the anointing teaches them ALL THINGS
and the unction helps them to know ALL THINGS.
You need to fix this post 108 it looks like I said your wordsJn 16 was not promised to you but the Apostles only. Guess the Spirit did not guide you into proper hermenutics on these portions. You still do not understand.
What Jesus said to the apostles about the promise of the Holy Ghost is seen to all believers as well on Pentecost and beyond as we read in 1 Cor 2 and 2 John 2:27 etcIt does not change who Jesus was speaking to in those chapters. You should have acknowledged your error by this time.
I never use the word "separate".
The Holy Ghost was not yet given when Peter said that Jesus was the CHRIST the Son of God, and this was revealed by the Father. Peter was in effect saying that the Word made flesh is the Christ the Son of God.
Do you believe that "Christ" is the Spirit of Christ" and one in the same as scripture shows?
How do you separate Christ from the Spirit of Christ?
"16 Now to Abraham and his seed [singular, not speaking of his genetic lineage in the flesh]
were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, [this is the one seed of Abraham. John says if we are born again His seed remaineth in us]
And remember that Christ dwells in our hearts by faith. All those in the faith chapter of Hebrews 11 had faith and so they had Christ in them the hope of glory. He is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.
Paul absolutely is speaking of what I shared. He speaks of the word close to all and all can call upon the Lord and it doesn't matter what background they are from and where they are. The natural question would be to ask the question, "how shall they hear without a preacher? Notice the question mark. Then Paul answers "in vs 18 Have they not heard? yes verily...and then he quotes Psalm 19. He is showing that God is the divine preacher who has preached in the hearts of men by Christ the word of Christ, and even the word Paul preached came from the same word of faith that was spoken of, that word is Christ word in the heart.
they seem acrobatics to you. Just because they are obscure to you it doesn't mean they are to myself and others. But I do no such acrobatics I wait on the Lord and need no acrobatics he lifts me up on eagles wings.
The natural man cannot see the things of the spirit as Paul said in 1 Cor 2. They will only seem dark to them and "obscure". I have talked with many many believers and non believers and even among believers many cannot be spoken to as spiritual. Paul said he wanted to speak spiritually to some but he could not.
We have barely touched the mystery and spiritual things yet. This is not being arrogant or thinking I am anything. It is the way of life and light for those who hear God's voice and who are led by God. But we all need the body to edify eachother and to help in any areas we are not seeing clear or tossed to and fro. I seek only to speak truth to help. Not to destroy. I have no ego to gloat in, I seek to speak the same things with believers and the same mind and the same judgement that there be no divisions among us. But often I deal with massive amounts of man made stuff and traditions and doctrines of men..
-you answered your own question.. when you said "So I am stubbornly following my own ways instead of God's ways"... that what we must all repent of .. our own ways .
Jesus was speaking of them going at that time in ministry as he said,
“ Matthew 10 - 5. These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6. But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”
This ministry started in Jerusalem later it would continue all over. But he told them to only go to Israel here. But the truth of the Father speaking in them when needed was at that very moment. You confound Jesus words to them if it did not apply to them then.
No I’m speak the truth here Jesus was speaking to the 12 and what Jesus said would have applied to them THEN as he sent them out st that time. We see from Luke that there was success in those Jesus sent out at that time.No it was not. It plainly says the Spirit would only give them the words to say when they were dragged before governors and kings. That only occurred after Pentecost. If those words were meant for that immediate time then Jesus made a false prophecy. Your theory is wrong.
The Rule of faith and practice
is not scripture alone
PART 1 (Contnued in part 2)
A correction to the “sola scriptura” teaching, which says “scripture ALONE”.
You just don't see it that's a shame.
Your missing a great mystery. Some are troubled by spiritual things, and instead prefer a natural human wisdom it seems.
Paul absolutely is speaking of what I shared. He speaks of the word close to all and all can call upon the Lord and it doesn't matter what background they are from and where they are. The natural question would be to ask the question, "how shall they hear without a preacher? Notice the question mark. Then Paul answers "in vs 18 Have they not heard? yes verily...and then he quotes Psalm 19. He is showing that God is the divine preacher who has preached in the hearts of men by Christ the word of Christ, and even the word Paul preached came from the same word of faith that was spoken of, that word is Christ word in the heart.
Paul also previously said similar about the entire Gentile world who not having the law have the work of the law written in their hearts (Romans 2:14,15 KJV)
No, you are quite wrong here. The "seed" in 1 John 3:9 is not referring to Abraham's seed, his spiritual offspring. There is no mention of Abraham in that passage.
And it wouldn't make sense to say that Abraham's spiritual offspring remains inside believers. Its referring to the word of God sown in our hearts
"the seed is the word of God" (Luke 8:11).
You error again here, the text sows how to be born again,. The expression "born again" is speaking of being born from above. The word of God is spirit and life. This is the seed, the word of God, Christ in them."for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God" (1 Peter 1:23).
No you are not accurate here as in many places. I do believe that Christ is God, God the Son, the word, the seed. I also believe that the Father is God and the Holy Ghost is God. These three are one.You are wrong again. Christ only "dwells in our hearts" by virtue of his Spirit within us:
Eph 3:16-17 "that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith"
In trying to defend your false teaching, you have unwittingly provided further proof that Christ "in" us is God's indwelling Spirit. Old Testament believers were not indwelt with the Spirit as we are.
This is a main question?Yes, you're doing well so far. Abraham's seed is Abraham's spiritual offspring (ie believers).
No, you are quite wrong here. The "seed" in 1 John 3:9 is not referring to Abraham's seed, his spiritual offspring. There is no mention of Abraham in that passage. And it wouldn't make sense to say that Abraham's spiritual offspring remains inside believers. Its referring to the word of God sown in our hearts:
"the seed is the word of God" (Luke 8:11).
"for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring word of God" (1 Peter 1:23).
You are wrong again. Christ only "dwells in our hearts" by virtue of his Spirit within us:
Eph 3:16-17 "that according to the riches of his glory he may grant you to be strengthened with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith"
In trying to defend your false teaching, you have unwittingly provided further proof that Christ "in" us is God's indwelling Spirit. Old Testament believers were not indwelt with the Spirit as we are.
If they are not separate Spirits then they must be the same Spirit.
So we have the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (aka Spirit of Christ, Spirit of Father) - which my view and that of orthodox Christianity.
If they are not the same then we have the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of the Father - your unorthodox view.
Matthew 10:20The Spirit of the Father doesn't have to be "in" someone for Him to reveal something to that person.