The 3rd Temple Problem for those outside of Christianity

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The claim that modern Jews can reject Christ and still worship God is one of the most cruel ways to let them die in their sins.

The time to take the Gospel to the Jewish people, is now.

So, wait, now you admit there are unsaved Jewish people? You said earlier that Jews don't exist, that DNA proves were all jewish (or not jewish, depending how you look at it). But now you identify them as a people group needing the gospel. But if there exists an unbelieving Jewish people group, then you legitimize prophecies about them.

And BTW, who is advocating not preaching the Gospel to Jews? I've never come across this idea.
 
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So, wait, now you admit there are unsaved Jewish people? You said earlier that Jews don't exist, that DNA proves were all jewish (or not jewish, depending how you look at it). But now you identify them as a people group needing the gospel. But if there exists an unbelieving Jewish people group, then you legitimize prophecies about them.

And BTW, who is advocating not preaching the Gospel to Jews? I've never come across this idea.

Jews are distinguished by religion and/or culture, not by DNA. They confirm and promote that reality themselves.

They are still without Christ.

They still need the gospel.

One Rev. John Hagee is well known for declaring that it is unnecessary to evangelize them.
 
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So, wait, now you admit there are unsaved Jewish people? You said earlier that Jews don't exist, that DNA proves were all jewish (or not jewish, depending how you look at it). But now you identify them as a people group needing the gospel. But if there exists an unbelieving Jewish people group, then you legitimize prophecies about them.

Sammy Davis Jr. was an Orthodox Jew, not by bloodline, but by religious choice.

Do you deny this fact?

Do you understand what Paul said about genealogies in Titus 3:9?

My last name originated in Germany.
Does that mean I am a German?
Does that mean I have to be a Lutheran?


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What some seem to advocate is the idea that unbelieving Jews (Jews that are not Christians) don't really exist. Once the Church was established, the Jewish identity transferred to the Church, and being Jewish and Christian became synonymous (so they argue).

Of course this is impossible to reconcile with the New Testament which makes distinctions between Jews and gentiles throughout.

I don't think this is the case with all covenant theology, but there does seem to be a strain with a particular angst toward ethnic Jews and a strong desire to delegitimize them as an ethnic group and delegitimize Israel as a rightful nation.

I my opinion, they're doing Satan's bidding.

You have fallen for one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church.
Who is the fulfillment of Israel in Matthew 1:1, which is confirmed by Paul in Galatians 3:16?
You have replaced the one seed, with the many
seeds.

You are ignoring Romans 2:28-29, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 9:27, and Romans 11:1-5, and Galatians 3:27-29, and Titus 3:9.



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For the longest time Christian theologians thought G-d was done with the Jews. And then He gave them back the Land of Israel. For the longest time Christian theologians think a third temple isn't part of G-d's plan and sanctity, yet when it happens...



2Th 2:3

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2Th 2:4

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


It is very clear in scripture that the strong delusion and Antichrist are coming first, before the return of the true Messiah. Be on guard, and let no man deceive us, amen.
 
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Messiah Yeshua - Jesus appeared / sounded like an "Anti-David" or "Anti-Solomon" or "anti- Moses" in his Sermon on the Mount!

Don't be so sure that a high percentage of we Christian Scribes and Pharisees might not manage to get the Cyrus type of Isaiah 42 to 46 all confused with the Anti-Christ Antiochus type??????!!!!

If President Trump manages to get the Jerusalem Third Temple built........ noise from Christians about him being in league with the dark side will probably even increase.........
because we live and breathe fear.......
and we fear the coming of the Antiochus type more than we want to see the full fledged fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14..........

Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

For more information on this do a search for the name "Eporu Ronald Alfred" here on the forums. He wrote a quite insightful article about the coming of a "Christian Political Cyrus" that I found and shared back in 2010..... a year before Mr Mark Taylor was given his first major insight on this.
Copy/pasted from Eporu Ronald Alfred's letter and then I would like to comment:

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.


To me this is very deceptive. The strong delusion, great tribulation and advent of the Antichrist are completely absent from this author's last days scenario. Add to that the fact that the stated purpose of the Temple Institute is to use the rebuilt Temple to unite all faiths and religions of the world, sounding an awful lot like what we see in the book of Revelation concerning the false prophet and beast and mark of the beast etc.....causing the whole world to worship the same thing, the image of the beast.....a united global religion in other words. Very antichrist. Whereas Jesus Himself said that no man comes to the Father except by Him, and that Jesus/Yeshua is THE Way, and THE Truth and THE Life. There is only one way to God, all those other religions they want to unite with do not lead to God, they lead to perdition.

Elijah coming to restore all things....has to do with the same kind of ministry Elijah and John the Baptist had...restoring the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers......repentance in other words, of whosever will. Nothing at all to do with a brick and mortar temple. These are very deceptive (perilous!) days we are living in my brothers and sisters in Christ/Messiah.......be very careful, watchful, sober and alert. The strong delusion is so strong it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible. There is no unity apart from Christ...by His Spirit alone.....not by any physical temple. There's no other way but by His Spirit. We are either united in Him, or not at all.
 
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Copy/pasted from Eporu Ronald Alfred's letter and then I would like to comment:

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.


To me this is very deceptive. The strong delusion, great tribulation and advent of the Antichrist are completely absent from this author's last days scenario. Add to that the fact that the stated purpose of the Temple Institute is to use the rebuilt Temple to unite all faiths and religions of the world, sounding an awful lot like what we see in the book of Revelation concerning the false prophet and beast and mark of the beast etc.....causing the whole world to worship the same thing, the image of the beast.....a united global religion in other words. Very antichrist. Whereas Jesus Himself said that no man comes to the Father except by Him, and that Jesus/Yeshua is THE Way, and THE Truth and THE Life. There is only one way to God, all those other religions they want to unite with do not lead to God, they lead to perdition.

Elijah coming to restore all things....has to do with the same kind of ministry Elijah and John the Baptist had...restoring the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers......repentance in other words, of whosever will. Nothing at all to do with a brick and mortar temple. These are very deceptive (perilous!) days we are living in my brothers and sisters in Christ/Messiah.......be very careful, watchful, sober and alert. The strong delusion is so strong it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible. There is no unity apart from Christ...by His Spirit alone.....not by any physical temple. There's no other way but by His Spirit. We are either united in Him, or not at all.

But Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it clear that we must believe all things written in the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 24:25 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

Ezekiel 47
will change the whole Middle East environment.
 
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Copy/pasted from Eporu Ronald Alfred's letter and then I would like to comment:

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.


To me this is very deceptive. The strong delusion, great tribulation and advent of the Antichrist are completely absent from this author's last days scenario. Add to that the fact that the stated purpose of the Temple Institute is to use the rebuilt Temple to unite all faiths and religions of the world, sounding an awful lot like what we see in the book of Revelation concerning the false prophet and beast and mark of the beast etc.....causing the whole world to worship the same thing, the image of the beast.....a united global religion in other words. Very antichrist. Whereas Jesus Himself said that no man comes to the Father except by Him, and that Jesus/Yeshua is THE Way, and THE Truth and THE Life. There is only one way to God, all those other religions they want to unite with do not lead to God, they lead to perdition.

Elijah coming to restore all things....has to do with the same kind of ministry Elijah and John the Baptist had...restoring the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers......repentance in other words, of whosever will. Nothing at all to do with a brick and mortar temple. These are very deceptive (perilous!) days we are living in my brothers and sisters in Christ/Messiah.......be very careful, watchful, sober and alert. The strong delusion is so strong it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible. There is no unity apart from Christ...by His Spirit alone.....not by any physical temple. There's no other way but by His Spirit. We are either united in Him, or not at all.
SPOT ON . This is the work of darkness doing all now to unite all faiths , all religions
even secular by PC , to be of the mind , UNITY for world peace .
ITs the work of satan . And I will expose it till . YOU are RIGHT . But less and less see this .
And watch , in time many will unite under it . Its a delusion that leads to the worship of the
beast who is to rise . Gays, unrepentant sinners , all religions even , will and do love it .
For its all INCLUSIVE . The spirit behind this unification Claims a universal , all accepting
many paths to GOD mindset . ITS wicked , and I shun its concepts right to the pits of darkness
from which is came forth .
 
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Copy/pasted from Eporu Ronald Alfred's letter and then I would like to comment:

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.


To me this is very deceptive. The strong delusion, great tribulation and advent of the Antichrist are completely absent from this author's last days scenario. Add to that the fact that the stated purpose of the Temple Institute is to use the rebuilt Temple to unite all faiths and religions of the world, sounding an awful lot like what we see in the book of Revelation concerning the false prophet and beast and mark of the beast etc.....causing the whole world to worship the same thing, the image of the beast.....a united global religion in other words. Very antichrist. Whereas Jesus Himself said that no man comes to the Father except by Him, and that Jesus/Yeshua is THE Way, and THE Truth and THE Life. There is only one way to God, all those other religions they want to unite with do not lead to God, they lead to perdition.

Elijah coming to restore all things....has to do with the same kind of ministry Elijah and John the Baptist had...restoring the hearts of the fathers to the children and the children to the fathers......repentance in other words, of whosever will. Nothing at all to do with a brick and mortar temple. These are very deceptive (perilous!) days we are living in my brothers and sisters in Christ/Messiah.......be very careful, watchful, sober and alert. The strong delusion is so strong it would deceive the very elect, if it were possible. There is no unity apart from Christ...by His Spirit alone.....not by any physical temple. There's no other way but by His Spirit. We are either united in Him, or not at all.
For a long time , I have been warning out against that inclusive mindset , that false unity move.
And years later , MAN its gained ground . For this all foretold in the bible .
And they just run and hug and refuse to correct and calling it all love .
And it just keeps getting worse and larger in size . But by grace , WE wont buy this lie
THE LORD has his sheep . And they want nothing to do with this all inclusive LIE from SATAN .
 
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You are confusing what this post was about. I never claimed the Third temple being built in Isreal is where God would be.

“He [the man of lawlessness] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.” (2 Thess. 2:4)"

Wait... if you are claiming this man will set himself up in "God's Temple" per 2 Thess 2:4 above, how is it that you can also claim it will not be God's Temple?
 
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You have fallen for one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church.

LOL! Really. Pre-Millennialism/dispensationalism is not just wrong but the greatest deception in Church history?
:swoon:
Being just a little overly dramatic are we? Surely you can think of some bigger deceptions?
 
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LOL! Really. Pre-Millennialism/dispensationalism is not just wrong but the greatest deception in Church history?
:swoon:
Being just a little overly dramatic are we? Surely you can think of some bigger deceptions?

You remain true to your doctrine by being willing to take out a word like "one", in order to make your viewpoint work...

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You remain true to your doctrine by being willing to take out a word like "one", in order to make your viewpoint work...

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I was focusing on the word biggest? That's pretty serious if you ask me. Must be a salvation issue to be granted the title of biggest, don't you agree?
 
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LOL! Really. Pre-Millennialism/dispensationalism is not just wrong but the greatest deception in Church history?

This would be a strawman argument. BAberean did not say THE GREATEST, but ONE of the greatest. Please read his statement below, a little bit more carefully:

You have fallen for one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church.

In that regards, as "one" but not "the" greatest, I would have to agree with BAberean. From my encounters with many, but not all, pre-mill/dispensationalists, I have noticed 2 major flaws (don't get me wrong, all theologies have flaws) that are reminiscent of first century Judaism that rejected Christ:

1.) Christ is not yet king or sitting on the throne

Peter literally states that David, Foreseeing that God would fulfill his promise and place his descendent on the throne, spoke of the RESURRECTION. Thus we see the resurrection and ascension of Christ to the right hand as fulfilling God's promise to David.

Acts 2:30-31 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. FORESEEING THIS, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ

The 1st century church declared Christ as king and were persecuted by the jews for that:
Acts 17:7 and Jason has welcomed them into his home. They are all defying Caesar’s decrees, saying there is another king, named Jesus!”

John literally states that Jesus is the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.


2.) A future literal temple (Ezekiel's temple) will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be reinstated

This is based on a literal interpretation of Ezekiel, even though Ezekiel is a prophetic book, with many symbols and apocalyptic language

Ezekiel 43:25 For seven days you shall provide daily a male goat for a sin offering; also, a bull from the herd and a ram from the flock, without blemish, shall be provided

The author of Hebrews tells us that God took away the sacrifices and offerings through Christ, who sanctified believers ONCE FOR ALL. Animal sacrifices are never needed again.
Hebrews 10:8-10 In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are required by the Law). Then He adds, “Here I am, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The author of Hebrews goes even further to state that no sin offering is needed where God forgives sins.
Hebrews 10:18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

The ceremonial works of the law were only a shadow of Christ, not the reality. Christ has come, therefore the sacrifices of the Ezekiel temple were only picture of the true work of Christ.
Hebrews 10:1 The Law is only a shadow of the good things coming, not the realities themselves.

To understand the Temple of Ezekiel, all one has to do is read Ezekiel 47-48, and then compare that to Revelation 21-22.

Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem have the river of life flowing from them
Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem have trees that bare fruit to heal the nations
Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem have 3 gates on all 4 sides, each with a name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem are the places where God dwells with his people.

The Ezekiel Temple is the New Jerusalem.

 
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This would be a strawman argument. BAberean did not say THE GREATEST, but ONE of the greatest. Please read his statement below, a little bit more carefully:



In that regards, as "one" but not "the" greatest, I would have to agree with BAberean. From my encounters with many, but not all, pre-mill/dispensationalists, I have noticed 2 major flaws (don't get me wrong, all theologies have flaws) that are reminiscent of first century Judaism that rejected Christ:

1.) Christ is not yet king or sitting on the throne

Peter literally states that David, Foreseeing that God would fulfill his promise and place his descendent on the throne, spoke of the RESURRECTION. Thus we see the resurrection and ascension of Christ to the right hand as fulfilling God's promise to David.

Acts 2:30-31 But he was a prophet and knew that God had promised him on oath that He would place one of his descendants on his throne. FORESEEING THIS, David spoke about the resurrection of the Christ

The 1st century church declared Christ as king and were persecuted by the jews for that:
Acts 17:7 and Jason has welcomed them into his home. They are all defying Caesar’s decrees, saying there is another king, named Jesus!”

John literally states that Jesus is the ruler of the kings of the earth.
Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.


2.) A future literal temple (Ezekiel's temple) will be rebuilt and animal sacrifices will be reinstated

This is based on a literal interpretation of Ezekiel, even though Ezekiel is a prophetic book, with many symbols and apocalyptic language

Ezekiel 43:25 For seven days you shall provide daily a male goat for a sin offering; also, a bull from the herd and a ram from the flock, without blemish, shall be provided

The author of Hebrews tells us that God took away the sacrifices and offerings through Christ, who sanctified believers ONCE FOR ALL. Animal sacrifices are never needed again.
Hebrews 10:8-10 In the passage above He says, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings You did not desire, nor did You delight in them” (although they are required by the Law). Then He adds, “Here I am, I have come to do Your will.” He takes away the first to establish the second. And by that will, we have been sanctified through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

The author of Hebrews goes even further to state that no sin offering is needed where God forgives sins.
Hebrews 10:18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

The ceremonial works of the law were only a shadow of Christ, not the reality. Christ has come, therefore the sacrifices of the Ezekiel temple were only picture of the true work of Christ.
Hebrews 10:1 The Law is only a shadow of the good things coming, not the realities themselves.

To understand the Temple of Ezekiel, all one has to do is read Ezekiel 47-48, and then compare that to Revelation 21-22.

Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem have the river of life flowing from them
Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem have trees that bare fruit to heal the nations
Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem have 3 gates on all 4 sides, each with a name of one of the 12 tribes of Israel.
Both the Ezekiel temple and New Jerusalem are the places where God dwells with his people.

The Ezekiel Temple is the New Jerusalem.

So then you believe this is a salvation issue?
 
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But Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it clear that we must believe all things written in the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 24:25 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

Ezekiel 47
will change the whole Middle East environment.
Ezekiel 47 will not be fully fulfilled until the millennium, and even then it is not literal but symbolic of Christ and New Jerusalem.

Rev 21:22
And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

And remember the scriptures that talk about having our minds and affections fixed on things above, not on things of earth. And Jesus in Acts answering the disciples regarding earthly Israel, saying it's not for them to know the times set by the Father but just go and preach the gospel. So earthly Israel is God's business, not ours. Our business as the church is the gospel, that is our only mandate...and by all means preach it to the Jews. Because while we are dithering and wringing our hands over earthly concerns, many Jews are perishing daily....what happens to their souls for all of eternity is far, far more important than where they happen to live for this short little life on earth.
 
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But Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it clear that we must believe all things written in the Law and the Prophets.

Luke 24:25 "Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:"

Ezekiel 47
will change the whole Middle East environment.
And dear brother, if we want to believe all that is written then we need to be awake and believe that the counterfeit comes first......son of perdition comes first before the return of the true Messiah. That article is very deceptive, it will lead souls right to Antichrist sitting in the new Temple. It's time to lay down all that we think we know on the altar and let the Lord sift it.....forget what we have learned from men and let the word of God, the pure words of scripture, teach us once again.....nothing added to it and nothing taken away. Be willing to lose all our sacred cows, because our eternal souls are hanging in the balance with these things.
 
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SPOT ON . This is the work of darkness doing all now to unite all faiths , all religions
even secular by PC , to be of the mind , UNITY for world peace .
ITs the work of satan . And I will expose it till . YOU are RIGHT . But less and less see this .
And watch , in time many will unite under it . Its a delusion that leads to the worship of the
beast who is to rise . Gays, unrepentant sinners , all religions even , will and do love it .
For its all INCLUSIVE . The spirit behind this unification Claims a universal , all accepting
many paths to GOD mindset . ITS wicked , and I shun its concepts right to the pits of darkness
from which is came forth .
Amen frenden thalord......and it will sit and rule from that Temple in Jerusalem....it's so scary that people are looking for the millennial rule of Christ without all these other prophecies being fulfilled first, and don't seem to realize that scripture clearly says the son of perdition/Antichrist comes first to deceive the whole world (2 Thessalonians 2, Revelation 13)......from JERUSALEM, also called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. False Messiah is coming first and proclaiming himself to be God...and will persecute the true church. We still have great tribulation to go through and be refined in the fire to be prepared for the return of Christ.
 
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Messiah Yeshua - Jesus appeared / sounded like an "Anti-David" or "Anti-Solomon" or "anti- Moses" in his Sermon on the Mount!

Don't be so sure that a high percentage of we Christian Scribes and Pharisees might not manage to get the Cyrus type of Isaiah 42 to 46 all confused with the Anti-Christ Antiochus type??????!!!!

If President Trump manages to get the Jerusalem Third Temple built........ noise from Christians about him being in league with the dark side will probably even increase.........
because we live and breathe fear.......
and we fear the coming of the Antiochus type more than we want to see the full fledged fulfillment of Zechariah chapter 14..........

Is a Jerusalem Third Temple needed before Zechariah 14 can happen?

For more information on this do a search for the name "Eporu Ronald Alfred" here on the forums. He wrote a quite insightful article about the coming of a "Christian Political Cyrus" that I found and shared back in 2010..... a year before Mr Mark Taylor was given his first major insight on this.
We are not to call conspiracy what men call conspiracy, but it is the Lord our God we must fear. He is the one who rules and reigns and sets up or tears down kings and kingdoms. Be sure that even Antichrist is chosen by God, and it is even the Lord who gathers all to the battle. It is the Lord we are to look to and fear, Him alone. We don't need to be afraid of even Antichrist, since he is a mere man, and hand chosen by the Lord. Yes the devil fights and has great wrath, but remember the Lord has him on a leash for His own purposes in the bigger picture. And the reason no weapon can prosper against those who belong to Christ/Messiah is because the Lord is the forger of that weapon. HE is the one we are to fear and look to.

I believe Zechariah 14 is prophesying of when the beast turns on Mystery Babylon, the mother of harlots who rides the beast (they use each other for gain) until the beast turns on her. And yet the Lord will be so merciful and spare a remnant, as we see in Zech. 14, and not until then will Yeshua return and all the saints with Him.....and all the remnant of survivors will look on Him who they pierced and persecuted (His Body) and repent.

Meanwhile unbelieving Israel is complicit with the beast and new world order......the devil has tried very hard to throw sand in our eyes with regard to the lost nation of Israel and how deceived she will be in the last days. We must be wide awake and boast in no flesh, idolize no flesh, because if we keep looking up to her, we will follow her into the strong delusion and accept the false messiah. We won't be any good to Israel if we drink the same koolaid she is both drinking and serving......she needs us to stay awake and preach the antidote to her, and let our blood cry mercy and forgiveness.
 
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