Should Christians Carry Guns?
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Not many are following Jesus these days and putting their flesh to death to cling to the truth. (Most Christians do whatever their passions drive them to do and then justify that with scripture, they love being at war: Psalms 120:7).
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OK, I see. You have faith that He can.......but that he may not. I understand this and see why you need to prepare for the time that He doesnt. And you should continue to prepare......until you have faith that He always will........
Israel was, many times, called a rebellious nation...Many times did they see the power of the Lord yet still doubted...... Not sure why we would model ourselves after them......but I guess that would be similar to those who believe God can yet doubt that he will that all times......therefore go and take matters into their own hands.
But it would be a little better to Trust in the Lord with all thine heart.....alll the times...without exceptions.
But I find no fault in your method either.
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I do not know any Christians who are happy being at war. War is NOT a pretty thing.
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He expects you to dwell in the secret place of the most high...and enjoy the beauty of the Lord. But If you decide to take your inheritance and go at it on your own.....He will allow you to do so, and wait patiently for you to come back to your senses.
There is nothing wrong with your take your guns and protecting yourselves.....but there is another way.....try not to hinder those who wish to enter in.... whether or not you decide to do so yourself....
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Hebrews 7:23-25 supports this, as with the fact that Israel did mingle with the pagan nations (defying God's commandment to remain pure), and through that defilement the impurity brought them into condemnation in God's eyes.
The blood of Jesus is meant to have been sufficient atonement, but the problem being that Christians have again mingled with the world and the corruption has come among them (this is why it is said "do not be conformed to the pattern of the world", and "do not swear either by heaven or by earth - because anything beyond a plain yes or no, is of the devil").
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Well of course that is why if someone becomes violent it is reasonable and acceptable to use equal violence to stop them.Words can only go so far
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There fore if one smite thee on the face.....Smite them back with equal force? And If they take your coat....Take something from them of equal value?
This is a version I haven't heard before.
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Maybe, but not necessarily. They might just as well be within their rights to use violence to stop a person from speaking though. That is what happens when there is a contempt of court.
I suppose it comes down to the value we place on words vs violence - whether we believe words are less harmful than physical action or vice-versa, and for that, we need to consider the wider impacts.
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It is said for the purpose of justice though.. which we cannot understand aside from faith (1 Corinthians 6:19).
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At some point we need to accept that some people aren't going to sway in their views and then we're just arguing for the sake of arguing. I can't find anything wrong with carrying a gun just as a precaution. God wants us to trust him but it's also stupid to just blindly walk through life without making any effort to protect ourselves. And that's how I see it. Others clearly do not. At this point it's just arguing in circles.
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There is more you can yet learn that will change that opinion.
However, that is genuinely what your understanding has led you to believe with good conscience. You have not begun expressing an unhealthy passion of fantasising about using it to kill those whom you hate (because that will only come when you begin resisting The Holy Spirit's conviction in order to keep your present belief).
That is due to a lack of creativity on your part, btw. God is not constrained in His ability to enforce justice by the fact that we do not carry a gun.
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If you take something that does not justify use of force.
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What it comes down to is whether a particular person is convicted not to use force. If that is the case then that person should not use force, but that is not the same as telling others it is wrong to do so.
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You have loaded that statement with an implied message to say that it is wrong to do so. James 5:19-20 seems to suggest that our responsibility is to teach those who have not received the same conviction.
It keeps coming back to the question in the OP: should "Christians carry guns?" .. and we have to ask "what for?" .. and the answer is that it is useful for enforcement of justice.
So I ask, is that the kind of world you want?
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Is what the kind of world I want? One where violence is used to enforce justice?
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Statements like this is where the problem arises.... I have no problem with you carrying a gun.....Yet you call those who choose to trust in God alone, stupid. Why do you feel trusting in God is stupid? And why judge those so negatively, who choose a different choice than you..?
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I know this quote is not addressed to me, but I will say what I think. It is foolish to think that in a fallen world there will not be violence ( sometimes for no reason. As such, when you "just trust God' you are a bit of a pushover who not only is easy to attack ( because you are unwilling to fight back and defend yourself and others, but you are also vey easy to cheat or otherwise use and abuse because you will not stand up and say you will not do me in ole way for your own benefit.
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