Not sure if it's all retailers, but I know Walmart processes a check like a debit transaction. They run it through a scanner and it gets processed immediately. The days of check kiting are gone.
How stringent should that proof be? Why isn't a state or county issued student id, for instance, considered sufficient proof when a hunting license is?
America was founded on the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - what is the attendant responsibility that comes with that?
With our representative form of government, proof of residency within the district/city/county/state/country you are voting in should be the minimum. If I reside in District A, I should not be able to vote for District B issues/politicians, right? Residing in Washington State, I cannot vote for politicians in California. If one is not a legal citizen, why should they have a legal right to vote?How stringent should that proof be? Why isn't a state or county issued student id, for instance, considered sufficient proof when a hunting license is?
America was founded on the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness - what is the attendant responsibility that comes with that?
I guess someone is not paying attention and is distracted by their anti-Trump agenda.
Off topic, but I would not mind it. I know a lot of people are not, though.
I don't know about a figure of speech, but many posters on this thread talk about paying with debit/credit cards. In order to obtain such payment methods, do you not have to provide some sort of ID? My bank wanted photo ID to set up my new checking/savings account. I needed to also provide them with a SSN. All credit card issuers that I know of require at least a SSN, along with a mailing address and a signature (either physical or electronic). To grant you a credit card, they will undoubtedly run a credit history check to verify your information.
How is this philosophically different than obtaining a voter ID?
So when you buy a box of cereal, the most widely used methods are by debit/credit card or check (which the store may or may not require ID to cash, but your bank has already required you to provide verifiable ID to grant you the account in the first place). Make fun of Trump's comment all you want, but the reality is most Americans have had to provide some form of verifiable ID similar to voter ID requirements at some point in the purchase cycle for that box of cereal.
All of my credit cards have been obtained without providing an ID. Opening a bank account and obtaining a debit card does. That being said, Trump's statement, which he has now essentially made twice, as he previously said "you need an ID to buy groceries", is just as much a lie as Obama's "if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor", which is to say, it is a statement that can be correct for some situations, but really needs to be heavily caveated for it to be a true statement.
Yet, we had the right howling about Obama's doctor statement for years and years (they still point that out as Obama's biggest lie), yet defend Trump on a statement which has the same factual merit. Moreover, this lie of Trump's is one of his more tepid lies - he has many lies which so directly contradict observable fact, it seems obtuse to say ("I had the largest electoral college victory since Reagan", "we have already had 200 bodies returned from North Korea"), yet his supporters defend those as well.
Not even a SSN, an address, or a phone number? If you obtained a copy of your credit report, would it have those credit cards on them?All of my credit cards have been obtained without providing an ID.
Your social security card is not a valid voter ID in many states that require one. Around half of voter ID laws require a photo ID.Not even a SSN, an address, or a phone number? If you obtained a copy of your credit report, would it have those credit cards on them?
Not even a SSN, an address, or a phone number? If you obtained a copy of your credit report, would it have those credit cards on them?
I've been asked for ID before buying groceries by credit card. The idea that we are asked to regularly show an ID in our daily lives is hardly strange.
Not so much anymore. I've been regularly shopping with a credit/debit card for around 10 years now and I can't remember the last time I had to show ID. I'm reasonably certain that I could count every time I've had to show ID for a credit purchase on one hand.It’s an unusual idea for someone not living there - so that actually is a regular feature of shopping in the US?
Was not the point; it was about obtaining credit cards, which the major credit reporting agencies track by SSN. But thanks for pointing that out. In order to obtain said photo ID, which in many states can be a state DL or ID, or a passport, what is THAT requirement? In my state, proof of identity and either a SSN or proof of residency in the state are required.Your social security card is not a valid voter ID in many states that require one. Around half of voter ID laws require a photo ID.
And people like you want to make mountains out of molehills from some comment Trump made about cereal and take it literally. There are no hoops to jump through, just a following of basic facts and logic. Whatever method of payment for groceries one chooses, the requirements to obtain said payment method are just as similar and easy to apply to obtaining a voter ID card.I probably provided my SSN (my card is over 20 years old, I know I got it by mail). I didn't provide picture ID to get my card.
Moreover, claiming that you have indirectly previously used ID to get the credit card to purchase cereal is not the same thing as claiming "you need ID" to purchase cereal. Form of payment is entirely optional, and one can purchase cereal with cash. It's a bogus claim, and you're jumping through hoops to try to make it somewhat truish in a roundabout fashion.
Those goal posts look really heavy. You sure you don't need a hand?Was not the point; it was about obtaining credit cards, which the major credit reporting agencies track by SSN. But thanks for pointing that out. In order to obtain said photo ID, which in many states can be a state DL or ID, or a passport, what is THAT requirement? In my state, proof of identity and either a SSN or proof of residency in the state are required.
So again, what is the difference between the requirements for obtaining a credit/debit card or other payment option to pay for groceries and obtaining a voter ID card?
No, you're doing quite fine on your own.Those goal posts look really heavy. You sure you don't need a hand?
Never said you need a photo ID to obtain a credit card. Please pay attention to what I actually said.Obtaining a credit card does not require a photo ID. It may require some of the same things that are required to get a photo ID, but having a credit card does not automatically mean that you have a photo ID. And all of that is irrelevant because you can STILL purchase cereal without a credit card.
Oh, I am. So far you've claimed that:Never said you need a photo ID to obtain a credit card. Please pay attention to what I actually said.