Does God order hurricanes?

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In the ancient prescientific world the only explanation they had for natural disasters or disease was either an act of God or maliciousness of demons.

Matthew 16: 2. He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red. 3. And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times? 4. A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

We know little more today about the results of a sin cursed earth.
 
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Yes, scripture and history is rife with examples: the Flood, the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, the ruin of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the appointed future destruction of the earth by fire.

A believer has no ability in and of himself to exercise divine power over the creation. Only God has this ability. For a man can no more order or pray a tree to fall than he can add an hour to his life.

God is Sovereign. He works all things according to the counsel of his will (Ephesians 1:11). He declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things not yet done; his counsel shall stand, and he will accomplish all his purposes (Isaiah 46:10). Everything in creation that happens is God's will, that includes hurricanes and tornadoes.

The notion that God created everything that exists, simply set laws in place, and then stepped back and is not actively, personally involved in and ordering the affairs of the world is part of the heresy known as Deism. This is not biblical. What is deism? What do deists believe?



Sodom & Gomorrah testify to the contrary, and the world flood compounds your understanding.



God destroys too. He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. He raised Pharaoh up that he might destroy him and demonstrate his power. He destroyed the whole world with a flood. And he'll destroy the whole world again by fire. He destroys the wicked in hell forever.



Unlikely. God does as he pleases, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all the deeps (Psalm 135:6). He is not obliged to fulfill the prayer of one man, much less the prayer of one hundred. If he should fulfill any prayer, it is surely of his sovereign grace, not of any merit in the content of the prayer or the person who prays or in the number of persons who pray. Remember that the apostle Paul — arguably the most grace-filled and gracious christian, three times asked for the thorn in his flesh to be removed — but God's answer was no. Indeed, God's answer to his own Son was no, when Jesus prayed in the garden to have the cup removed from him.

Is God under obligation to keep His Word?
 
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Yes, scripture and history is rife with examples: the Flood, the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, the ruin of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the appointed future destruction of the earth by fire.

A believer has no ability in and of himself to exercise divine power over the creation. Only God has this ability. For a man can no more order or pray a tree to fall than he can add an hour to his life.

God is Sovereign. He works all things according to the counsel of his will (Ephesians 1:11). He declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things not yet done; his counsel shall stand, and he will accomplish all his purposes (Isaiah 46:10). Everything in creation that happens is God's will, that includes hurricanes and tornadoes.

The notion that God created everything that exists, simply set laws in place, and then stepped back and is not actively, personally involved in and ordering the affairs of the world is part of the heresy known as Deism. This is not biblical. What is deism? What do deists believe?



Sodom & Gomorrah testify to the contrary, and the world flood compounds your understanding.



God destroys too. He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. He raised Pharaoh up that he might destroy him and demonstrate his power. He destroyed the whole world with a flood. And he'll destroy the whole world again by fire. He destroys the wicked in hell forever.



Unlikely. God does as he pleases, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all the deeps (Psalm 135:6). He is not obliged to fulfill the prayer of one man, much less the prayer of one hundred. If he should fulfill any prayer, it is surely of his sovereign grace, not of any merit in the content of the prayer or the person who prays or in the number of persons who pray. Remember that the apostle Paul — arguably the most grace-filled and gracious christian, three times asked for the thorn in his flesh to be removed — but God's answer was no. Indeed, God's answer to his own Son was no, when Jesus prayed in the garden to have the cup removed from him.
Yes, scripture and history is rife with examples: the Flood, the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah, the ruin of Jerusalem in 70 AD, the appointed future destruction of the earth by fire.

A believer has no ability in and of himself to exercise divine power over the creation. Only God has this ability. For a man can no more order or pray a tree to fall than he can add an hour to his life.

God is Sovereign. He works all things according to the counsel of his will (Ephesians 1:11). He declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things not yet done; his counsel shall stand, and he will accomplish all his purposes (Isaiah 46:10). Everything in creation that happens is God's will, that includes hurricanes and tornadoes.

The notion that God created everything that exists, simply set laws in place, and then stepped back and is not actively, personally involved in and ordering the affairs of the world is part of the heresy known as Deism. This is not biblical. What is deism? What do deists believe?



Sodom & Gomorrah testify to the contrary, and the world flood compounds your understanding.



God destroys too. He destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah. He raised Pharaoh up that he might destroy him and demonstrate his power. He destroyed the whole world with a flood. And he'll destroy the whole world again by fire. He destroys the wicked in hell forever.



Unlikely. God does as he pleases, in heaven and on earth, in the seas and all the deeps (Psalm 135:6). He is not obliged to fulfill the prayer of one man, much less the prayer of one hundred. If he should fulfill any prayer, it is surely of his sovereign grace, not of any merit in the content of the prayer or the person who prays or in the number of persons who pray. Remember that the apostle Paul — arguably the most grace-filled and gracious christian, three times asked for the thorn in his flesh to be removed — but God's answer was no. Indeed, God's answer to his own Son was no, when Jesus prayed in the garden to have the cup removed from him.

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More recently, there were prophets and others who basically gave WOF-like decrees over Northern Florida. Obviously they failed and it is sort of a spectacle, perhaps even having some avoid WOF doctrine. Shouldn't WOF believers be far more prudent in this area of commanding the weather? I am thinking the level of faith required is immense, and either we need a better understanding of God's will for that particular storm, or we have not paid the price (fasting and prayer) to rise to the level that will stop a storm, fire, or whatever disaster.
God does certainly seem to be involved in weather, with many examples, though most are OT, such as:
Job 38:34-35 (NASB) 34 "Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, So that an abundance of water may cover you? 35 "Can you send forth lightnings that they may go And say to you, 'Here we are'?

The same type of question on faith can be found in someone who presumptuously lifts someone out of a wheelchair only to find that they are not healed. How can we know when we really have faith, versus when we just go through the motions and fail?
 
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More recently, there were prophets and others who basically gave WOF-like decrees over Northern Florida. Obviously they failed and it is sort of a spectacle, perhaps even having some avoid WOF doctrine. Shouldn't WOF believers be far more prudent in this area of commanding the weather? I am thinking the level of faith required is immense, and either we need a better understanding of God's will for that particular storm, or we have not paid the price (fasting and prayer) to rise to the level that will stop a storm, fire, or whatever disaster.
God does certainly seem to be involved in weather, with many examples, though most are OT, such as:
Job 38:34-35 (NASB) 34 "Can you lift up your voice to the clouds, So that an abundance of water may cover you? 35 "Can you send forth lightnings that they may go And say to you, 'Here we are'?

The same type of question on faith can be found in someone who presumptuously lifts someone out of a wheelchair only to find that they are not healed. How can we know when we really have faith, versus when we just go through the motions and fail?

There was a time when the prophets of Baal, tried their best to prove Elijah wrong.
They cut themselves, cried out to their false God.
Nothing happened , and the man of the one true God asked them, is your God sleeping?
Then it was Eligahs turn.
The alter the offering and even rocks were blown to bits with a fire so hot it melted rock.
They took on God in a challenge ,and it cost them their lives.

1 Kings 18: 21. And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the LORD be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word. 22. Then said Elijah unto the people, I, even I only, remain a prophet of the LORD; but Baal's prophets are four hundred and fifty men. 23. Let them therefore give us two bullocks; and let them choose one bullock for themselves, and cut it in pieces, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: and I will dress the other bullock, and lay it on wood, and put no fire under: 24. And call ye on the name of your gods, and I will call on the name of the LORD: and the God that answereth by fire, let him be God. And all the people answered and said, It is well spoken. 25. And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal, Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your gods, but put no fire under. 26. And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made. 27. And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked. 28. And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with knives and lancets, till the blood gushed out upon them. 29. And it came to pass, when midday was past, and they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that there was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded. 30. And Elijah said unto all the people, Come near unto me. And all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of the LORD that was broken down. 31. And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: 32. And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. 33. And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid him on the wood, and said, Fill four barrels with water, and pour it on the burnt sacrifice, and on the wood. 34. And he said, Do it the second time. And they did it the second time. And he said, Do it the third time. And they did it the third time. 35. And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water. 36. And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. 37. Hear me, O LORD, hear me, that this people may know that thou art the LORD God, and that thou hast turned their heart back again. 38. Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. 39. And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. 40. And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.
 
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God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.
When the Faith of God is working through a prophet, the dead can be raised,the Sick healed and Cat 5 storms commanded to cease and do no harm.
Simply because no one had this Faith does not mean it does not exist.
The enemy will steal your faith.
Elijah ran away from a wicked woman right after this great power was manifested.
One day He performed a mighty deed having the Faith of God.
The next He is hiding in a cave thinking He was the last Prophet.
Often through Mircials God is glorified, but without mountain moving Faith God is not pleased.
Some of us here many times have shut down storms.
In the Philippines I watched a Tornado draw up and disappear, by the people commanding the storm with the name of Jesus.
Did those who failed with this Storm have this kind of Faith or were they saying I'm believing the storm will stop.
It's not God who fails in times like this it is us.
Our Faith is corrupted by those who doubt, by Satan telling us we are crazy.
We for the most part are a faithless people.
It does not Change God's Word or his will.
Either you have a gift or you do not, but like the prophets of Baal you cannot fake it.
The power of the anointing does not always come on a person of Faith.
And sometimes those who are called to these works do not listen to God's still small voice.
The cares and distraction of the devil keep them from stepping up.
I have had many answered prayers, and I have come under attack as well when the time was to hold fast my confession.
I did not make Church Sunday,because of a very long night and next Day.
I repented picked up my pity party and won the victory today.
I had it i knew it but that did not stop all He.l....from hitting me all weekend.
Never doubt for a moment that Christ has already won your battle.
Have Faith in God.
 
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Book of Genesis : God created man to take dominion of the Earth .We are in charge of what happens here . Everything is energy as Einstein proved and energy cannot be created or destroyed .So as the Bible says when you sow the wind (by sinning ) you shall reap a whirlwind (hurricane ) The Bible takes about fire caused by greed .
 
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Greed is idolatry in the simplest of terms.
Anything you put ahead of God in your life becomes your idol.
Only God knows a persons true heart, Mankind and Satan look on the outward man and has condemned Him from their carnal minds.
Only God can search the true nature of a man's heart.

2 Timothy 4: 1. I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; 2. Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4. And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5. But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
 
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As a new hurricane approaches the U.S. I am hoping some of you will offer insights as to how you believe concerning God and Christians roles in such events. Specifically, are there disasters, that God permits, leaving Christian with an inability to pray them away?

I always took the faith angle, that yes, a believer could turn any storm away. We know this has been done before. However, my thinking was challenged by God last year. I heard very clearly during a worship service that hurricane Irma was going to hit Florida, exactly in the suburbs of Fort Meyers where I used to live. (At the time it was unknown where it would make Florida landfall) So now my faith is challenged with this rhema, that an area dear to me, is going to take the hit. That these communities would take one for the team. Which the smaller, less populated areas near Fort Myers did, with God's mercy sparing the most populated.

I assume that Satan is the author of these storms but I am thinking the level of protection is somewhat enhanced or degraded depending on the condition of the Christian church in that nation or region. All this leaves me with the idea that sometimes a macro event is going to move forward and no decree against some storms will be effective. The degree of destruction (especially death) might be altered, but ultimately events such as the fire near Redding will occur. Please share any thoughts you might have on the possible limits of faith in disasters.

Psalm 135:6 New International Version (NIV)

6 The Lord does whatever pleases him,
in the heavens and on the earth,
in the seas and all their depths.
 
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Hurricanes happen because of barometric pressure and moisture content differences in the atmosphere.
Nature is set up to do that. Nobody has to create them or send them. They happen as normal occurrences in the "course of nature."
God is not controlling, that is, orchestrating everything that happens in the universe. He set up laws of nature both natural and spiritual at the moment He created the universe. The rule is that anything can happen, all things are allowed and permitted. There is no need for the moment by moment authentication of every event. Everything has license to occur simple because the factors that cause them exist and there is a course in nature that must be followed.
Ice melts on a hillside. As the ice melts water runs down the hill. The running water washes away some soil uncovering a rock. The rock is dislodged and tumbles down the hill, striking a man on the head. Ouch! All these events had the right and license to follow the natural course of nature that has existed since creation. Water in it's frozen state has the right to melt. The sun has the right to create heat to melt the ice. The water has has the right to turn into it's liquid state. Gravity has the right to pull the water downhill and pull the rock down with it. None of these occurrences required any permission from God to take place. They have the permission granted by the fact of their existence within nature and therefore are subject to all the laws of nature. A very important fact of creation is that God imparted a portion of His sovereignty into every element of creation when He created it. They do not have to ask permission to exist and effect/be affected by the laws of nature that were also put in place at creation.
So when the conditions are right for a hurricane to exist... it happens. No permission or allowance is required. Course of nature!
Of course God is sovereign over His creation and can both (1) step in and prevent events from occurring that would have occurred naturally... and (2) He can initiate events that were not occurring naturally. But these are interventions, not orchestrations. God's role in creation is intervention.
Salvation itself is an intervention. Jesus was sent to save us from death.
Healing is an intervention against sickness and disease.
Miracles are interventions into the course of nature.
These thoughts are from the book "The 'God is in Control of Everything' Myth"
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If God could intervene to heal, He could also intervene to stop hurricanes.
 
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If God could intervene to heal, He could also intervene to stop hurricanes.
Very true.
As I said:
"Of course God is sovereign over His creation and can both (1) step in and prevent events from occurring that would have occurred naturally... and (2) He can initiate events that were not occurring naturally. But these are interventions, not orchestrations. God's role in creation is intervention."​
 
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Very true.
As I said:
"Of course God is sovereign over His creation and can both (1) step in and prevent events from occurring that would have occurred naturally... and (2) He can initiate events that were not occurring naturally. But these are interventions, not orchestrations. God's role in creation is intervention."​
You believe God knows everything exhaustively and definitely before He created this world?
 
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You believe God knows everything exhaustively and definitely before He created this world?
He could. He has the abilities. But He is not slave to His own abilities. He can choose not to know things. By this I mean He can choose to control His abilities and subject them to His nature. Love may provoke Him to not know all things that are knowable. Love may do this.
Some people place power above love. This is because they place sovereignty above love, faith, hope etc.
There are in fact instances where God chose not to know what is taking place on the earth.
 
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He could. He has the abilities. But He is not slave to His own abilities. He can choose not to know things. By this I mean He can choose to control His abilities and subject them to His nature. Love may provoke Him to not know all things that are knowable. Love may do this.
Some people place power above love. This is because they place sovereignty above love, faith, hope etc.
There are in fact instances where God chose not to know what is taking place on the earth.

Romans 9:18: "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."
In the above verse, does God's will come before His mercy?

Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
Does the above verse say God chooses not to know something?
 
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Even though I am convinced that God does not "arrange" natural disasters, we can see God acting in how we respond to them and how we care for our fellow human beings.

Or not.
Are there Bible verses to show God doesn't arrange natural disasters?

Psalm 135:6 "Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places."
 
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Are there Bible verses to show God doesn't arrange natural disasters?

Psalm 135:6 "Whatsoever the Lord pleased, that did he in heaven, and in earth, in the seas, and all deep places."

My understandings are not necessarily Biblical.
 
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Romans 9:18: "Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth."
In the above verse, does God's will come before His mercy?

Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
Does the above verse say God chooses not to know something?
Of course not. But there are some 23000 other verses in the scripture. And there are numerous that indicate that He chooses to not see, know, or remember some things.
 
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