Does that mean you do not want anyone to disagree with you? Just think about it.
lol! of course not! But I can do without all the hostility I perceive is coming from you.
Your interpretation of "God worketh" seems to be God makes it happen from start to finish and the man has no choice. Am I wrong? Because God worketh HIs part but that does not mean all that He wants is done. God's will is not done on the earth all the time. This seems to me to be obvous, but it means that God is not making sure no one goes into the pit. The Bible also says that he delivers the godly. There are many benefits promised to the godly man or woman. That is the man or women who CHOOSE to do God's will at least from time to time.
Strange that you focused on a part of the passage that wasn't being emphasized. Were you trying to change the subject?
You know, this question makes me think that you think salvation or forgiveness is dependent upon us. That is, if we don't remember every single sin or are not aware of them and do not confess them, we are lost. This makes me think you do not understand the mind of God. God is not a machine whereby you need to push all the right buttons. To him who KNOWS something is wrong, to him that is sin. He is a father, not a process whereby all the right ingredients needed to be there for the correct outcome. My faith is based on his character itself. Same as my faith in my husband is based on knowing his character. (Some things I do not trust him with based on experience, my husband that is.)
I was merely pointing out how
your theology makes salvation or forgiveness dependent on us. In
my theology, it is based solely on what Christ did for me; I am not required to have confessed all of my sins before I can be forgiven of everything. I hold 1 John 1:9 to more accurately be referring to being forgiven of the fact that we are sinners rather than of individual sins and that we have to confess all of them in order to be saved.
Yes? And? This is wisdom literature, by the way. This is not a promise nor a threat. Because all of us are required to actually plan for the tomorrows. We need to pay bills, buy food, etc. We actually all need to plan. But there is wisdom in realizing not everything is under our control.
Time and chance happen to everything; there is no guarantee that you are going to live long enough to be able to confess all of your sins in the proposition that sins that are not confessed are not forgiven. It has to do with the understanding that future sins are forgiven. If they are not, then only past sins are forgiven and they are forgiven through 1 John 1:9 is what you have preached. Therefore if a sin is not confessed it is not forgiven; and because time and chance happen to everything you are on sketchy ground, that doesn't provide a lot of assurance (see 1 Thessalonians 1:5 (kjv); since before all of your sins can come to your attention for the sake of confession, you could walk in front of a bus and be run over (or some other such thing as that).
Actually, that is not his name. His name is Yeshua. Now are all those who called upon Jesus instead of his real given personal name lost? Is saying the right or wrong words everything? Do you see the problem your view is presenting? I say being saved is following Jesus. You seem to say it is saying the right words. And us, you need to balance Romans with the rest of scriptures. How come Jesus did not tell the rich young ruler to just call him and he will be saved? How come that guy had to sell all he had and follow Jesus instead? He really got a bum deal.
What does it mean to call on the name of the Lord? It does not mean to follow Him, it means to call on His name; following Him will be the result. If the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth isn't valid then God isn't sovereign and loving and Omnipotent; because He told us in our English Bibles that we are to call on the name Jesus Christ of Nazareth. Yet He truly
is sovereign and Omnipotent and loving. Therefore it is true that the Person of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is who we are to call upon and if we use the English pronunciation of His name, He isn't going to condemn us over it; in fact He will save you on the basis of your faith if or when you do so.
You are not going to like this but Jesus said Eternal Life (which is closest anyone got to saying Eternal Security) is......................do you know the answer? It is not being forgiven.
However, you must be forgiven if you are going to have eternal life. Without forgiveness, you must pay the penalty for your own sins, which is eternity in the lake of fire.
Your view is very self-centered focusing on you being forgiven.
You love calling other people selfish; and I do not deny that I am. But you have three fingers pointing back at you; especially since you do it so often (Matthew 7:1-6, Luke 6:37, Romans 2:1-2, James 4:11-12).
IT is OK for a start but a man like you ought to move on into following Jesus. You have the heart and strength to do so. There is a passion for things of God in you and you deserve better than the theology you have been fed. I urge to you go beyond forgiveness of sins.
Already happening.
And if they do not labour more than they all, are they not saved by grace yet?
God knows the answer to that; for He looks on the heart while man looks on the outward appearance (1 Samuel 16:7). I have contended that Ephesians 2:8-9 is a primary scripture for essential doctrine; I am not contradicting it in bringing 1 Corinthians 15:10 to your attention.
Do you see the problem with the theology you have embraced?
I've been reading my Bible extensively for over twenty-eight years; and I seek to be a Berean (Acts of the Apostles 17:11) in all of my understanding. I believe that I have therefore embraced the theology of the Bible.
You insist these things must be there which is essentially a works salvation. I do not have any such requirement.
It's just my way of preaching the law as a schoolmaster to lead you to Christ (Galatians 3:24-25). To point out that there is a change in the hearts and lives of those who are truly born again (2 Corinthians 5:17, Titus 3:4-7, Ezekiel 36:25-27).
Please my dear brother, read what we are predestined FOR and do not believe them who erase the words. We are predestined to be confromed to the image of his son. That is it. No one is predestined for heaven or hell. Read it. I asked God almighty this question once long ago when faced with Calvinists and he told me to read the whole passage. I did. It was clear. Predestined to be like Jesus.
If I become like Jesus will I end up in hell? Therefore predestination to be like Jesus results in my going to heaven because of predestination. However, the primary reason I go to heaven is because of propitiation. Christ Jesus died in my place, taking my sins upon Himself and their penalty, when the Father looked at Christ He saw my sin and punished it in Him on the Cross. Now when He looks at me, He sees the perfect righteousness of Christ and His shed blood covering my sin. So then, I go to heaven because I was predestinated to receive the forgiveness of Christ's shed blood. Predestination has to do with God looking down at us from outside of time, as if He were looking down on us from a blimp at a parade. From that perspective, He can see every float in the parade as if it were right in front of Him. We are on the sidelines watching the parade go by little and little. This is a parable about time and eternity. God sees everything from the perspective of one eternal moment; and therefore He saw and purposed to intervene in everything from that perspective: He predestinates not only us being conformed to the image of Christ; but He predestinates every happenstance as He is deeply involved in every aspect of your life because He is a God of infinite love.
This is dishonest. You searched the particular translation that works for you. The others says fall away from the faith.
There you go being judgmental again. The reality of the matter is that I favour the kjv above all other versions and hold it to be authoritative above all others. It is called the kjv-superior position.
The Greek is literally "and then will fall away many." If you are not honest enough to let the scriptures, not man, drive your thinking, you will never go beyond having your sins forgiven. If that is all you want, I guess any man theology will do. Men promise you "you will not die" just like someone else did long ago to a man.
I don't have access to the Greek text, and I am certainly not going to take your word for it (I just don't trust people who say they know what the Greek or Hebrew says: it is too conducive to cult-like trust in the person who is telling me what the scripture really says (because the Bible that I read in English isn't good enough).
I guess so if that is your focus.
One can ignore the Bible and do this and I can understand that it feels really nice. I am sorry for those who see Jesus later and he says he never promised any such thing for obvious reasons.
I've seen the promises in my Bible. You can't convince me that they aren't there; because I have seen them with my own two eyes; and they have also been ministered to me in the power of the Holy Spirit.
Can you please show me where the words are in these verses that say you are eternally secure and can never fall away no matter what you do or that you will NEVER do wrong such that you fall away. (Jesus said other reasons why people fall away from the faith and are lost but let's start there.
If you insist. Just pick up your King Jimmy and look up John 5:24, John 6:47, John 10:27-30, and Hebrews 13:5. Jeremiah 32:38-40 is also good.
btw, you do not accurately represent my point of view in what you say in your quote above. Those who are recipients of the promises on eternal security can only be the same people who heed the warnings against falling away. It is like when you have two sticks and a string is tied around each of them, and you pull the string taut by pulling the sticks apart. The new construct is based on the tension between how the sticks are being moved away from each other. This is how I see paradoxical statements in the Bible; one can come to a deeper insight into God's perspective if one seeks to understand how contrasting truths in scripture to form a truth that is in alignment with both of them.
Again, can you please show me the words in these verses that say we do not stand before him to be judged on the faith we had.
Actually, that would be against my best interest for you. For in this discussion I want to convince you that we
are judged on the faith that we have (rather than the works that we do) ... verses / passages that teach this are Romans 4:1-9, Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:4-7, and Romans 11:5-6.
