WHY GOD CREATED EVIL !!!

2tim_215 · Jul 30, 2018

Some people seem to forget that God is a person.

FredVB · Aug 6, 2018

FredVB said:
I would say that Yahweh created us with free will to choose between things, with responsibility in that, and it was right for God to do this, there are real evil things, which come from us, and we who are involved are responsible for it. God created great things in the natural world which include what we generally call disasters, but they are evil to us who are living apart from God's will for us. Everything Yahweh has made is good. If we lived thoroughly conforming to God's will for us, we would not be in such occurances that we understand to be merely disasters. For example, earthquakes are good, with causing some good in the natural world though we wouldn't see that. But with living thoroughly according to God's will for us, we would observe God's direction for us not to live where there will be damage coming from such earthquake. But we, generally, are not so good at observing God's direction to us for where to live, most of us very willfully choose for ourselves where to live.

Compassion should still be shown to those who suffer in such occurances, God will show compassion to those who suffer, as Jesus showed, lives are changed through that, in which there is less willfulness apart from the will of Yahweh.

John tower said:
That is what you say but scripture says John 15(16), Jer 10(23), John 1(13), Rom 9(16) etc , etc

It isn't just me saying it. I have Bible passages for those things too. For instance there are a great many passages of Yahweh God saying, "Choose ..." to those addressed. There are clearly choices for them to make. Some will say Bible passages contradict each other. I still say there can be understanding of a way they are all consistent with a truth.

There is much more that Yahweh does for us. But there is still to be responsiveness from us. Denying that is with irresponsibility.

In John 15, who was Jesus talking to? Wasn't it his appointed apostles? By extension still, since that is what we do with what Jesus said, there are things we as believers are appointed to. In John 1:13, we have it shown that we can acknowledge that as God gives life, God gives eternal life, which is distinct. This does not negate our responsiveness being needed.

As 2 Peter 3:9 shows, God is not wanting any to just perish, but we all need to come to repentance for sin in our lives, to live differently with God working with us, when we come to Jesus Christ.

And we have responsibilities toward others, that are to be with compassion and love. Leaving things to God is neglecting our responsibilities, and we would be failing God there.

John tower · Aug 6, 2018

Pneuma3 said:
Hi steve, does Gods all knowing aspect mean that God knows every choice of man from eternity past?

Most people believe it does, but scripture imo does not back up that assertion. I believe the reason God knows everything is because He searches out all the hidden things in man.
Let me give a few examples of how God searches things out.

in Deuteronomy 8:2 says that he tests us so that He will know whether we will keep His commandments or not.

I don't think anyone will argue that fact that Adam and Eve were being tested in the garden, for according to Deuteronomy 8:2 that is the reason for the commandment "thou shalt not eat". God was testing Adam and Eve to see if they would keep His commandment or not.

Thus we see the searching questions God asked of Adam and Eve. Did you eat?

We also see this same thing concerning Abraham and Isaac.

Genesis 22:12
12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.

Here we can see God again using a test so that He (God) will know something about an individuals heart.

This scripture does not say so the Abraham will know what is in his heart as the teacher student scenario suggests. If emphatically states NOW I (GOD) KNOW.

God wanted to see if Abraham would withhold his only son from Him (God).

So if God is a meticulously controlling exhaustive foreknowing God this test of Abraham means nothing, for God would have foreknown from eternity past that Abraham would not withhold anything from Him.

We also have examples from the tower of babel where God is said to come down and see, and the case of Sodom and Gomorrah where God comes down to see if the cry He had heard from S & G was according to the cry.

I can give many more instances of God searching things out if you need them.

Reread the op : it went over your head

Pneuma3 · Aug 7, 2018

John tower said:
Reread the op : it went over your head

No, i been there and done that, but see it differently now because of other scriptures. Some of which I posted.

John tower · Aug 9, 2018

2tim_215 said:
Some people seem to forget that God is a person.

God is a spirit , and they who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth

steve78 · Aug 9, 2018

Pneuma3 said:
Hi steve, does Gods all knowing aspect mean that God knows every choice of man from eternity past?

Most people believe it does, but scripture imo does not back up that assertion. I believe the reason God knows everything is because He searches out all the hidden things in man.

I belive that God knows every possible decision i could or will make and the outcome or each and he uses his son Jesus to help me make the correct one.

steve78 · Aug 9, 2018

John tower said:
God is a spirit , and they who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth

Is he? I am not so sure.

Nobody really knows what God really is. There are three parts, the holy spirit, Jesus who became flesh and walked among man and God the father.

I always wonder why we address God as him that assumes he is male. In reality God is an it.

2tim_215 · Aug 9, 2018

John tower said:
God is a spirit , and they who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth

He's also a person.

Pneuma3 · Aug 9, 2018

steve78 said:
I belive that God knows every possible decision i could or will make and the outcome or each and he uses his son Jesus to help me make the correct one.

Yes, but when? is it from eternity past or because as the scriptures state He searches out the hidden things of our hearts? Once man in his heart makes the choice of life or death God knows the outcome of the path they must traverse. They either choose life, overcome, and enter the kingdom of heaven via the strait gate or they enter the kingdom of heaven via destruction.

John tower · Aug 10, 2018

steve78 said:
I belive that God knows every possible decision i could or will make and the outcome or each and he uses his son Jesus to help me make the correct one.

Heb 12(2), Jer 10(23), Phil 1(6), 2(13)

Loren T. · Aug 10, 2018

Every good thing bestowed and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation, or shifting shadow."

No God didn't create evil.

Chrétien de Troyes · Aug 10, 2018

Hello everyone I am new, I would just like to share my opinion on the subject.
From an ontological point of view, good and evil are not theological but metaphysical concepts. The Christian should be more concerned with tangible things such as justice, forgiveness and mercy than heavy metaphysical concepts such as the existence of good and evil. It makes spiritual and liturgical life extremely difficult to bear.

What is particularly important to avoid when doing an exegesis or developing a theological discourse is to know how to differentiate the cataphatic character of the Holy Scriptures from metaphysical concepts that are not necessarily present in the Holy Scriptures.

cordially

Chrétien de Troyes

John tower · Aug 13, 2018

Loren T. said:
Every good thing bestowed and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation, or shifting shadow."

No God didn't create evil.

Isaiah 45(7): argue with God himself , or wrest scripture to make it fit your private doctrine : 1 Peter 3(20), Isa 55(8&9)

Loren T. · Aug 14, 2018

John tower said:
Isaiah 45(7): argue with God himself , or wrest scripture to make it fit your private doctrine : 1 Peter 3(20), Isa 55(8&9)

No need to argue with God about it, because God is wholly good. None of those verses say God created evil. The Isaiah 45 passage is about God bringing judgment on disobedience. Please use a little context.

SkyWriting · Aug 14, 2018

John tower said:
A perfect example of this is the teaching that evil could not possibly have a good purpose in God’s creation : So we say that God has nothing to do with it

I can't find anybody teaching that.

SkyWriting · Aug 14, 2018

Loren T. said:
Every good thing bestowed and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation, or shifting shadow."
No God didn't create evil.

Jesus gave his life to cover for our sins, so evil was part of the plan all along.
God allowed it, but technically did not create it.

John tower · Aug 16, 2018

Loren T. said:
No need to argue with God about it, because God is wholly good. None of those verses say God created evil. The Isaiah 45 passage is about God bringing judgment on disobedience. Please use a little context.

There you go again : everytime you hear a verse you cannot answer : You immediately tear it to pieces with your own private reasonings : You cannot help yourself : You will have to answer for that : I assure you : Take away , or add unto God's word 2 Peter 1(20)

Loren T. · Aug 16, 2018

John tower said:
There you go again : everytime you hear a verse you cannot answer : You immediately tear it to pieces with your own private reasonings : You cannot help yourself : You will have to answer for that : I assure you : Take away , or add unto God's word 2 Peter 1(20)

I'm not taking anything away from them, I'm taking them in their proper context instead of squeezing strange philosophies out of random verses.

SkyWriting · Aug 16, 2018

John tower said:
The most blasphemous false doctrine of men is the teaching that God did not create all things, and that God is not even in control of his own creation ! How do they arrive at this blasphemous false doctrine ? The bible says to trust in God, and not lean unto our own understanding : PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto your own understanding , ” Why does the bible tell us not to lean unto our own understanding ? : 1 CORINTHIANS 13(12) : ” For now we see through a glass darkly , for NOW WE KNOW IN PART . ” This is why the bible tells us not to lean unto our own understanding : Because we presently have very limited understanding, and we will think that we see something wrong, WHEN THERE IS IN FACT NOTHING WRONG, WE JUST THINK THAT WE SEE SOMETHING WRONG , BECAUSE OF OUR LIMITED UNDERSTANDING . A perfect example of this is the teaching that evil could not possibly have a good purpose in God’s creation : So we say that God has nothing to do with it . Well for starters the Bible clearly states that GOD CREATED EVIL : ISAIAH 45(7) : ” I make peace AND CREATE EVIL , I THE LORD DO ALL THESE THINGS. ” Well the question of course arises : Why did God create evil ? If we read GENESIS 3(22) : We see that GOD HIMSELF SAYS : ” The man is become as one of us , to know good AND EVIL ! ” So ACCORDING TO GOD HIMSELF , EVIL DOES INDEED HAVE A GOOD PURPOSE : IT IS PART OF BECOMING AS A GOD ! But if we lean unto our own understanding , we don’t understand this, and we think that evil is only bad : So we then say that God did not create it , thus now SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT CREATE ALL THINGS : ” A SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY .” We say that God does not want evil in his creation : Yet evil is still there : THUS IMPLYING THAT GOD IS NOT EVEN IN CONTROL OF HIS OWN CREATION : Because according to them all these things are there that God supposedly does not want : YET ANOTHER SUPER SERIOUS BLASPHEMY AGAINST GOD ! The truth of course is that GOD CREATED ALL THINGS , INCLUDING EVIL : AND THEY ALL WORK TOGETHER FOR GOOD in his great plan , and God is in absolute control, even if we don’t understand it yet ! Listen to what God says to us in ISAIAH 55(8&9) : ” 8 : ” For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways , ” 9 : ” For as the heavens are higher then the Earth , so are my ways higher then your ways , and my thoughts then your thoughts . ” Following are a few more examples of things that God uses to fulfill his purposes that if we lean unto our own limited understanding, we might think are bad , thus saying that what God does is bad ; 1 SAMUEL 16(14) : ” But the spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and AN EVIL SPIRIT FROM THE LORD troubled him .” and 1 KINGS 22(23) : ” Now therefore behold : THE LORD HATH PUT A LYING SPIRIT in the mouth of all these thy prophets .” So remember PROVERBS 3(5) : ” Trust in the Lord with all thine heart , and lean not unto thine own understanding .” STOP BLASPHEMING EVERY TIME YOU SEE SOMETHING YOU DONT UNDERSTAND , AND SAYING THAT GOD DID NOT DO IT OR CREATE IT : YOU ARE ON VERY DANGEROUS GROUND ! PROVERBS 3(7) : ” BE NOT WISE IN THINE OWN EYES , FEAR THE LORD, DEPART FROM EVIL . ” : IT IS A GREAT EVIL TO BE WISE IN THINE OWN EYES AND JUDGE GOD !

Best not to judge God or people.

LoveofTruth · Aug 16, 2018

John tower said:
There you go again : everytime you hear a verse you cannot answer : You immediately tear it to pieces with your own private reasonings : You cannot help yourself : You will have to answer for that : I assure you : Take away , or add unto God's word 2 Peter 1(20)

its not that I deny that God said he ,makes peace and creates evil. Its what does the word creates and evil mean?

many words have many different meaning in context and usuage in both languages of Hebrew and Greek.

For example, in the the word "create" evil. the word "create means to

bara'
a primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes):-- choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat)."

so you could read it as God cuts down evil, or cuts down or dispatch by evil by bringing calmaity and judgement and distress. Which would be the opposite of Him making peace.

The evil that God creates ( or dispatches) will be a bad thing for the enemies of God.

But let no man say when he is tempted that he is tempted of God, for God cannot be tempted with evil, nor tempteth he any man. Every man is tempted when he is drawn away of HIS OWN lust and enticed.

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