Matt 24:20 Pray your flight not be on a sabbath or in winter

mmksparbud said:

I addressed those verses, perhaps you need to reread what I wrote. The 4th commandment was instituted at creation week, long before any Jew. He wrote them on stone to indicate their permanence. Jesus is very careful with His words. The covenant was with the Jews, but the 4th commandment was instituted at the very beginning and was hallowed by God
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The original word is not rest but ceased.
2 and~he~will~much~FINISH(Verb) (וַיְכַל / wai'khal) Elohiym (אֱלֹהִים / e'lo'him) in~the~DAY (בַּיּוֹם / ba'yom) the~SEVENTH (הַשְּׁבִיעִי / hash'vi'i) BUSINESS~him (מְלַאכְתּוֹ / mê'lakh'to) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~DO(Verb) (עָשָׂה / a'sah) and~he~will~CEASE(Verb) (וַיִּשְׁבֹּת / wai'yish'bot) in~the~DAY (בַּיּוֹם / ba'yom) the~SEVENTH (הַשְּׁבִיעִי / hash'vi'i) from~ALL (מִכָּל / mi'kol) BUSINESS~him (מְלַאכְתּוֹ / mê'lakh'to) WHICH (אֲשֶׁר / a'sher) he~did~DO(Verb) (עָשָׂה / a'sah)

and Elohiym finished in the seventh day his business which he did, and he ceased in the seventh day from all his business which he did,
http://www.mechanical-translation.org/mtt/G2.html

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The 7th day was blessed and made holy after creation. But when was the command to remember the 7th day and keep it holy given prior to moses and the Israelites?

Even Nehemiah states that the sabbath was ‘made known’ to Israel:

and you made known to them your holy Sabbath and commanded them commandments and statutes and a law by Moses your servant.
Nehemiah 9:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Nehemiah 9:14&version=ESV

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yahweh through Yahshua through the appointed messenger apostle Paul
did not breathe His Word referring to the 7th day sabbath which was never in question.
(I think)
Other sabbaths (which there were several) were what was His Word regarding.

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According to the Greek word for sabbath in Colossians 2:16, it is defined as the 7th day of the week.

mkgal1 said:

Maybe not the followers of the Way....but I'm presume the other Jewish people were observing the old covenant law (so the gates of the city would be closed).

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It seems that many Jewish Christians in Jerusalem were zealous for the law and still following it.

And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the law, and they have been told about you that you teach all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or walk according to our customs. What then is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. Do therefore what we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; take these men and purify yourself along with them and pay their expenses, so that they may shave their heads. Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that you yourself also live in observance of the law. Then Paul took the men, and the next day he purified himself along with them and went into the temple, giving notice when the days of purification would be fulfilled and the offering presented for each one of them.
Acts 21:20-24,26 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Acts 21:20-24,26&version=ESV

Yes, and there are other sabbaths also, in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and English and every other language ---
those other sabbaths are what was being considered, I think. The 7th day sabbath was never in question amongst the followers of Jesus in Scripture.

claninja said:

According to the Greek word for sabbath in Colossians 2:16, it is defined as the 7th day of the week.

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claninja said:

The 7th day was blessed and made holy after creation. But when was the command to remember the 7th day and keep it holy given prior to moses and the Israelites?

Even Nehemiah states that the sabbath was ‘made known’ to Israel:

and you made known to them your holy Sabbath and commanded them commandments and statutes and a law by Moses your servant.
Nehemiah 9:14 - https://www.biblegateway.com/passage?search=Nehemiah 9:14&version=ESV

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It was kept from creation on. It was given to Adam and Eve--the Sabbath was made for man. It was handed down by them to their children and to Noah and his children. It was largely set aside, forgotten during the 400 year Egyptian captivity-- That is why at the Mt. Sinai Jesus said "Remember." It was renewed---but instituted at creation expressly in honor of creation week and at Mt. Sinai Jesus again reiterated why He wants it kept.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

DavidPT said:

As to Matthew 24:34 though. One has to interpret that in context, not out of context. Jesus said that in context having to do with events connected with the 2nd coming, and not events connected with the first century. IOW one needs to interpret Matthew 24:34 in context and not interpret the verses surrounding this one by what they are assuming verse 34 is meaning. If one is assuming it's first century context, that makes it out of context with the verses surrounding it since those are all 2nd coming context. Also by changing obvious 2nd coming context to mean first century context, such as Preterists do, this does nothing to make better sense of the texts. It does the exact opposite, it makes worse sense out of the texts involved.

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It seems to me that to make Jesus' words about His second coming is what's taking the passage out of context. In this discourse....He's been referring to events that will happen within that generation's lifetime (and is warning THEM to be watchful).

IOW....the assumption seems to be that any of this is about His second coming.

I used to believe the way you do (up until only a few months ago)....and it's actually amazing (and hopeful) to me just how much better Scripture flows together with the understanding that Jesus was warning 1st century followers (and His prophecy was fulfilled....and many were saved from death and destruction).

Both.

mmksparbud said:

It was kept from creation on. It was given to Adam and Eve--the Sabbath was made for man. It was handed down by them to their children and to Noah and his children. It was largely set aside, forgotten during the 400 year Egyptian captivity-- That is why at the Mt. Sinai Jesus said "Remember." It was renewed---but instituted at creation expressly in honor of creation week and at Mt. Sinai Jesus again reiterated why He wants it kept.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

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Please provide scripture where God commanded Adam and Eve after the fall, Noah, abraham, Isaac, Jacob to remember the sabbath.

Did the gentiles outside of Judaism, know what the sabbath was 3000 years ago?

claninja said:

Please provide scripture where God commanded Adam and Eve after the fall

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Who was Adam and Chavah's (Eve's) Father Creator in union (or fellowship daily talking with them in the Garden) BEFORE THE sin ?

mkgal1 said:

I'm sorry where's the "no" part in that (I'm going to need your help with your explanation)?

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Based on Luke 21:25-28, at least some of the Olivet Discourse is about the Second Coming of Christ.

The same signs in the sun, moon, and stars are found in Revelation chapter 6, at the Second Coming of the Lamb.

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yeshuaslavejeff said:

Yes, and there are other sabbaths also, in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and English and every other language ---
those other sabbaths are what was being considered, I think. The 7th day sabbath was never in question amongst the followers of Jesus in Scripture.

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Same exact Greek word for the sabbath used in each verse.


Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or Sabbath.
Colossians 2:16

And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read.
Luke 4:16

Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb.
Matthew 28:1

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Who was Adam and Chavah's (Eve's) Father Creator in union (or fellowship daily talking with them in the Garden) BEFORE THE sin ?

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I agree that Adam and Eve were in Gods rest prior to the fall. I was asking for specific scripture where God commanded Adam and Eve after the fall, Noah, Abram, isaac, or Jacob to remember the sabbath and do no work every 7th day.

mmksparbud said:

The 4th commandment was instituted at creation week, long before any Jew.

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Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

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GOOD! (no conflict with anything I posted, nor in Scripture with the other Sabbaths besides the 7th day sabbath that never was in question)

Remember the meaning of the greek word doesn't restrict it to 7th day only which was never questioned by the believers, as it also refers (same word) to the several other sabbaths in the year by Yahweh's Word.

claninja said:

Same exact Greek word for the sabbath used in each verse.

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claninja said:

I agree that Adam and Eve were in Gods rest prior to the fall. I was asking for specific scripture where God commanded Adam and Eve after the fall, Noah, Abram, isaac, or Jacob to remember the sabbath and do no work every 7th day.

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Before the fall, before the sin,
do you think Yahweh did not talk freely with Adam and Chavah ?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Remember the meaning of the greek word doesn't restrict it to 7th day only which was never questioned by the believers, as it also refers (same word) to the several other sabbaths in the year by Yahweh's Word.

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What are the other sabbaths? When does the sabbath day not mean the 7th day of the week?

claninja said:

Please provide scripture where God commanded Adam and Eve after the fall, Noah, abraham, Isaac, Jacob to remember the sabbath.

Did the gentiles outside of Judaism, know what the sabbath was 3000 years ago?

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Jesus said the Sabbath was made for man, God instituted it at creation week, what makes you think that nobody else kept it? All the more reason to keep it after the fall. Please state a verse where God told Adam and Eve, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob to forget about the Sabbath that He said He hallowed, the decided to have them "remember it only at Sinai. Why would the gentiles know about the sabbath?
There were no gentiles until after Abraham. After the flood, those that did not follow God would not be interested in following any of His ways. Only those that were followers of the one God would have kept it for it pointed to Jesus as the creator--the rest of the population believed in other gods and other creators.

claninja said:

What are the other sabbaths? When does the sabbath day not mean the 7th day of the week?

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Do you have access to online Bible sites like blueletterbible and biblegateway ?
Perhaps even just online search "high sabbaths" and "feast sabbaths" or other similar search terms ........

BABerean2 said:

Exo 34:28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.


Deu 5:1 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.
Deu 5:2 The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.
Deu 5:3 The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

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Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.