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Zechariah 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This [is] the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. 7 Who [art] thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel [thou shalt become] a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone [thereof with] shoutings, [crying], Grace, grace unto it.

Isaiah 22:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call My servant Eliakim (son of raising) the son of Hilkiah (portion of Yah) : 21 And I will clothe Him with thy robe, and strengthen Him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into His hand: and He shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. 22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon His shoulder; so He shall open, and none shall shut; and He shall shut, and none shall open. 23 And I will fasten Him [as] a nail in a sure place; and He shall be for a glorious throne to His father's house. 24 And they shall hang upon Him all the glory of His father's house, the offspring and the issue, all vessels of small quantity, from the vessels of cups, even to all the vessels of flagons. 25 In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, shall the nail that is fastened in the sure place be removed, and be cut down, and fall; and the burden that [was] upon it shall be cut off: for the LORD hath spoken [it].

Matthew 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, "Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder." 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spake of them.

Daniel 2:34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet [that were] of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith He that is holy, He that is true, He that hath the key of David, He that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 "I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of My patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of My God, and the name of the city of My God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from My God: and [I will write upon him] My new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches."

Matthew 16:15 He saith unto them, "But whom say ye that I am?" 16 And Simon Peter answered and said, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
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Jesus says that He is building His own church... not on Peter himself, but by our understanding of what Peter's words mean. To me, they mean that Jesus is God.

When those born in Babylon see the light, and see the stone which the builders [chief priests and pharisees] have rejected, they will finally have escaped the Babylonian Captivity.
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Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
 
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This is the beginning of the 70th year.The next few years should be interesting.

I just realized that myself yesterday, when I read the thread on Trump's Temple. And I have to confess that it took me several minutes to begin to understand to what you were referring. Are you saying that you agree with my Born in Babylon scenario, and that Judah will soon awaken?

And if in fact, Tyre is Babylon, as it certainly seems to be, then Ugaritic may be where cuniform was born, rather than the city where it was carried. I had only started reading Gordon's Common Background of Greek and Hebrew Civilizations, before giving it up as another blind alley. And 'Behold the Land of the Chaldeans which the Assyrian built for those who dwelt in the wilderness for seventy years' has been turning circles in my mind for more than a decade. Now I'm wondering about the connections. Clearly, Iraq is not west of Armenia.

When the witnesses begin to prophesy, we'll see what we see. Or maybe they have already begun, and I'm not paying as much attention to the world as I should. Can you help me with this?
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I just realized that myself yesterday, when I read the thread on Trump's Temple. And I have to confess that it took me several minutes to begin to understand to what you were referring. Are you saying that you agree with my Born in Babylon scenario, and that Judah will soon awaken?

And if in fact, Tyre is Babylon, as it certainly seems to be, then Ugaritic may be where cuniform was born, rather than the city where it was carried. I had only started reading Gordon's Common Background of Greek and Hebrew Civilizations, before giving it up as another blind alley. And 'Behold the Land of the Chaldeans which the Assyrian built for those who dwelt in the wilderness for seventy years' has been turning circles in my mind for more than a decade. Now I'm wondering about the connections. Clearly, Iraq is not west of Armenia.

When the witnesses begin to prophesy, we'll see what we see. Or maybe they have already begun, and I'm not paying as much attention to the world as I should. Can you help me with this?
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Ive always felt Jerusalem is" Babylon "and judah and Israel has been serving the king of Babylon these past 69 years.And yes,I believe many will soon be freed .
 
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When those born in Babylon see the light, and see the stone which the builders [chief priests and pharisees] have rejected, they will finally have escaped the Babylonian Captivity.

Modern Orthodox Judaism in in bondage to the Babylonian Talmud, which is the opinions of rabbis who lived after 70 AD.


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I just realized that myself yesterday, when I read the thread on Trump's Temple. And I have to confess that it took me several minutes to begin to understand to what you were referring. Are you saying that you agree with my Born in Babylon scenario, and that Judah will soon awaken?

And if in fact, Tyre is Babylon, as it certainly seems to be, then Ugaritic may be where cuniform was born, rather than the city where it was carried. I had only started reading Gordon's Common Background of Greek and Hebrew Civilizations, before giving it up as another blind alley. And 'Behold the Land of the Chaldeans which the Assyrian built for those who dwelt in the wilderness for seventy years' has been turning circles in my mind for more than a decade. Now I'm wondering about the connections. Clearly, Iraq is not west of Armenia.

When the witnesses begin to prophesy, we'll see what we see. Or maybe they have already begun, and I'm not paying as much attention to the world as I should. Can you help me with this?
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Not sure what you mean by 'Judah awakening', but the process of "Coming out of Babylon" does indeed start at the 70 year marker, imo.

And Daniel 9 is the roadmap to understand this process. Daniel 9:2 starts the clock with 70 years of desolations of Jerusalem: by the Hebrew calendar, 5 Iyar 5778 (our dusk April 19, day April 20, 2018); or by the solar Gregorian calendar, dusk May 13, 2018. This gives us a 24 day window for a start.

Then we go forward 7 weeks, then 62 weeks to get the anointed one. Then we go forward 70 weeks to anoint a holy place. (Because we know from Matthew 24:15 that the abomination idol will stand in the 'holy place', we know that the popularized understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 cannot be correct: it takes 70 'weeks' (our source for the notion of Daniel's '70th week') to anoint the holy place where the abomination idol will stand! (Daniel 9:24) The solution to this is that there are multiple meanings to '70 '7's.

Where we're at now: at the 7 week marker (24 day window from June 8, 2018 to July 2, 2018) is the 'coming of a prince' (Daniel 9:25). Prince William visiting Israel seems to be the best fit, as he will be in Israel from June 25 - 28, 2018. Prince William’s trip to Israel set for June 25 The 'covenant' that he would be confirming seems to be the Balfour Declaration that created the modern Israel nation state. Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia So, if he were to 'break it' after 1260 days, then it is pretty easy to see how the 'Gentiles' would trample the holy city for 42 months in the 2nd woe. (Revelation 11:1-4) (which is when the 2 witnesses will be on the scene) (June 28, 2018 + 1260 days = Dec 9, 2021 for the start of the 2nd set of 1260 days)

At it's simplest, the timeline goes: 70 years desolations (Daniel 9:2) + 7 weeks + 62 weeks + 70 weeks (which in Daniel 9:26 is broken down as 62 weeks + 'until the end'), then the covenant is 'confirmed' (1 week) and broken 3.5 days later (Dec 21, 2020/ aka 6 Tevet, 5781) when the abomination of desolation shows up. This is exactly a full Hebrew calendar year before the 2nd set of 1260 days starts (year of recompense/ day of the Lord Isaiah 34:8 etc) (Dec 21, 2020 through dusk Dec 9, 2021/ aka 6 Tevet, 5781 through the end of 5 Tevet, 5782) . Basically, the 6th Seal through 6th Trumpet war occurs during this 1 year long build-up to the 2nd half/ 2nd 1260 day set. Moreover, Prince William turns exactly 38.5 years old on Dec 21, 2020 which is the 'middle of 70 '7 years', aka '77 years' = 38.5 years old.

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Not sure what you mean by 'Judah awakening', but the process of "Coming out of Babylon" does indeed start at the 70 year marker, imo.

And Daniel 9 is the roadmap to understand this process. Daniel 9:2 starts the clock with 70 years of desolations of Jerusalem: by the Hebrew calendar, 5 Iyar 5778 (our dusk April 19, day April 20, 2018); or by the solar Gregorian calendar, dusk May 13, 2018. This gives us a 24 day window for a start.

Then we go forward 7 weeks, then 62 weeks to get the anointed one. Then we go forward 70 weeks to anoint a holy place. (Because we know from Matthew 24:15 that the abomination idol will stand in the 'holy place', we know that the popularized understanding of Daniel 9:24-27 cannot be correct: it takes 70 'weeks' (our source for the notion of Daniel's '70th week') to anoint the holy place where the abomination idol will stand! (Daniel 9:24) The solution to this is that there are multiple meanings to '70 '7's.

Where we're at now: at the 7 week marker (24 day window from June 8, 2018 to July 2, 2018) is the 'coming of a prince' (Daniel 9:25). Prince William visiting Israel seems to be the best fit, as he will be in Israel from June 25 - 28, 2018. Prince William’s trip to Israel set for June 25 The 'covenant' that he would be confirming seems to be the Balfour Declaration that created the modern Israel nation state. Balfour Declaration - Wikipedia So, if he were to 'break it' after 1260 days, then it is pretty easy to see how the 'Gentiles' would trample the holy city for 42 months in the 2nd woe. (Revelation 11:1-4) (which is when the 2 witnesses will be on the scene) (June 28, 2018 + 1260 days = Dec 9, 2021 for the start of the 2nd set of 1260 days)

At it's simplest, the timeline goes: 70 years desolations (Daniel 9:2) + 7 weeks + 62 weeks + 70 weeks (which in Daniel 9:26 is broken down as 62 weeks + 'until the end'), then the covenant is 'confirmed' (1 week) and broken 3.5 days later (Dec 21, 2020/ aka 6 Tevet, 5781) when the abomination of desolation shows up. This is exactly a full Hebrew calendar year before the 2nd set of 1260 days starts (year of recompense/ day of the Lord Isaiah 34:8 etc) (Dec 21, 2020 through dusk Dec 9, 2021/ aka 6 Tevet, 5781 through the end of 5 Tevet, 5782) . Basically, the 6th Seal through 6th Trumpet war occurs during this 1 year long build-up to the 2nd half/ 2nd 1260 day set. Moreover, Prince William turns exactly 38.5 years old on Dec 21, 2020 which is the 'middle of 70 '7 years', aka '77 years' = 38.5 years old.

There are more details in the thread signature below.


Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner


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Trumps Temple? Where has he ever advocated building the Temple?

Old news says Israel expected Trump to build the temple when he got selected. They have minted a coin with his face pasted on top of Cyrus's. If that happens, and since Cyrus paid for the event... how much more aid can America really stand to bleed out?

Revelation 11:2 "But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months."

November 14, 2021.
 
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Modern Orthodox Judaism in in bondage to the Babylonian Talmud, which is the opinions of rabbis who lived after 70 AD.

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Then you know that the Rabbis are a continuation of the Pharisees. Once a Talmudist, always a Talmudist. And frankly, anyone who can read a few pages of the Talmud without tossing his lunch has a stronger stomach that I've ever had. And they say that the... I almost typed Torah-Talmud, when in fact it's actually the other way 'round in order of primacy... Talmud-Torah is what drives Judaism.

Come and Hear ...

The people who don't go along to get along, get excommunicated from their entire friends and family group. Fear isn't a good way to run a religion... but it is the hallmark of man-made ventures.
 
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Not sure what you mean by 'Judah awakening', but the process of "Coming out of Babylon" does indeed start at the 70 year marker, imo.

Judah will be those who get shaken awake by the great earthquake which takes place after the two witnesses leave.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] He that cometh in the name of the Lord.

I think that the taking up of the witnesses will cause the earthquake, which will cause the remnant to say blessed is Jesus...

Having said that, I am still not sure that the two witnesses are not in fact the same thing as the 144k, which are made up of all of the literal tribes of Israel, including Judah. So that maybe the remnant will have to go through the great tribulation, i.o.w., be baptized by fire to be purged of their dross. Which would actually make this remnant all different tribes of Israel, rather than only Judah... but then Judaea is not only Judah, is he. Still, we know that the main body with rulers of the house of Judah have never recognized their kinsman-Messiah.

They will be forced to decide rather soon, is what I am currently believing. If in fact, the Gentile army... which always follows the American Gentile colonization ("where their business interests run", Browne)... will walk their bloody boots all over the court of the temple, and fulfill the first 42 months of Revelation 11:2. Although we can't really know for sure until the signs of drought--in an already dry land--begin to make themselves felt. It is after all, the witnesses which will be held to blame for causing this particular torment. I would guess that the water supply itself would have to be affected, which means outside of theoretical Israel land.
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Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.


The Apostle John quoted from Zechariah 12:10 at Calvary.
The Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost, and about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" mourned and accepted Christ as their Messiah.

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Zec 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.


Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."




Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.


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The Apostle John quoted from Zechariah 12:10 at Calvary.
The Spirit was poured out on the Day of Pentecost, and about 3,000 from "all the house of Israel" mourned and accepted Christ as their Messiah.

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Zec 12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.


Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers pierced His side with a spear, and immediately blood and water came out.
Joh 19:35 And he who has seen has testified, and his testimony is true; and he knows that he is telling the truth, so that you may believe.
Joh 19:36 For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, "NOT ONE OF HIS BONES SHALL BE BROKEN."
Joh 19:37 And again another Scripture says, "THEY SHALL LOOK ON HIM WHOM THEY PIERCED."




Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.


Act 2:36 "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ."
Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?"
Act 2:38 Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Act 2:39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call."
Act 2:40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, "Be saved from this perverse generation."
Act 2:41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.


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So what nations did the Lord destroy on that day when they looked upon him whom they had pierced?
You said this happened on pentacost?
I can't remember any nnations attacking Jerrusalem that day.But there are nations attacking Jerusalem in the book of revelation when the two witnesses are killed.

Zechariah 12:9 So on that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zechariah 12:10 Then I will pour out on the house of David and on the residents of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and prayer, and they will look on Me, the One they have pierced. They will mourn for Him as one mourns an only child, and weep bitterly for Him as one grieves a firstborn son.
 
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Judah will be those who get shaken awake by the great earthquake which takes place after the two witnesses leave.

Revelation 11:13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon Me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for Him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for Him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.

Matthew 23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see Me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed [is] He that cometh in the name of the Lord.

I think that the taking up of the witnesses will cause the earthquake, which will cause the remnant to say blessed is Jesus...

Having said that, I am still not sure that the two witnesses are not in fact the same thing as the 144k, which are made up of all of the literal tribes of Israel, including Judah. So that maybe the remnant will have to go through the great tribulation, i.o.w., be baptized by fire to be purged of their dross. Which would actually make this remnant all different tribes of Israel, rather than only Judah... but then Judaea is not only Judah, is he. Still, we know that the main body with rulers of the house of Judah have never recognized their kinsman-Messiah.

They will be forced to decide rather soon, is what I am currently believing. If in fact, the Gentile army... which always follows the American Gentile colonization ("where their business interests run", Browne)... will walk their bloody boots all over the court of the temple, and fulfill the first 42 months of Revelation 11:2. Although we can't really know for sure until the signs of drought--in an already dry land--begin to make themselves felt. It is after all, the witnesses which will be held to blame for causing this particular torment. I would guess that the water supply itself would have to be affected, which means outside of theoretical Israel land.
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Did you know that the Islamic hadith states that a gentile military will be occupying Israel during the time of the end that will persecute muslims.Its leader is called the Dajall.One of the signs they expect is a three year drought that will afflict the middle east. At the end of that three years they are taught to destroy that military and every Jew in Israel.According to the hadith ,Jesus would kill the Dajall near the gate of Hudd.

I understand the quran and hadith are full of lies but Muslims believe them enough to follow them to thier destruction.
Just thought you might want to know who would have an incentive to attack and kill those two witnesses.
 
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