Are Protestants dead?

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Well you managed to miss the entire point shamelessly, that was slick. The Lord's Supper is a version of the Passover that discards all but the breaking of bread and drinking of wine, Jesus himself was the Passover Lamb. Anyway, what I was pointing out is that in the Agape meal the poor were being mistreated in both churches, James and Paul were disciplining their respective churches with the same scathing tone. What is the Royal Law?

Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

The Royal Law is not in letter but in spirit. The Passover Lamb put an end to the Passover ritual and indicated the spiritual significance in John 6. Paul, who was absent during the Last Supper with his Pharisaic background instituted a ritual that has been interpreted with all kinds of bizarre imaginations possible!
 
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Matthew 26:29 "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

The Royal Law is not in letter but in spirit. The Passover Lamb put an end to the Passover ritual and indicated the spiritual significance in John 6. Paul, who was absent during the Last Supper with his Pharisaic background instituted a ritual that has been interpreted with all kinds of bizarre imaginations possible!
It's love your neighbor as youself, it's right there in James 2. In 1 Cor 11 Paul says some of you are sick and some sleep (died), why, and it's in the immediate context.
 
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I have been continuously reading many parts of the Bible to understand better and arrive at the correct insight.

So it was potluck dinner in notorious Corinthian church in contrast to shared arrangements in Jerusalem church. Jesus put an end to all kinds of rituals. He never said to start a ritual by using the word 'remembrance'. The witnesses of the Last Supper, Matthew and John don't record it. Mark who got information from Peter also did not record it. The verses in Luke were later insertions.

You have been simply overwhelmed by the bottom heavy portion of the NT!
WRONG...

What part of DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW is unclear to you?>
 
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It's love your neighbor as youself, it's right there in James 2. In 1 Cor 11 Paul says some of you are sick and some sleep (died), why, and it's in the immediate context.

How can James and 1 Corinthians be related to same context?
 
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What part of DO NOT THINK THAT I HAVE COME TO ABOLISH THE LAW is unclear to you?>

Jesus did not come to abolish the Law, rather He fulfilled it spiritually. Now it is not just the letter of Law but the spirit behind it that need to be adhered to. For example, the Ten Commandments still hold good and valid in a Christian life.
 
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How can James and 1 Corinthians be related to same context?
You would have to actually read them, and it will all make sense. In James 2 there is mention of the Royal Law, why were some of the Corinthians sick and some of them dead? It's in 1 Cor. 11, try reading it.
 
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You would have to actually read them, and it will all make sense. In James 2 there is mention of the Royal Law, why were some of the Corinthians sick and some of them dead? It's in 1 Cor. 11, try reading it.

Some similar aspects are not in contention here. According to Paul alone, it is faith alone, but according to James, it is faith with good works.
 
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Some similar aspects are not in contention here. According to Paul alone, it is faith alone, but according to James, it is faith with good works.
But what are the works James is talking about, or Paul for that matter, that's the point. James presided over the Council of Jerusalem and Peter made the crucial and decisive argument for justification by faith. James made the recommendation that a letter be sent to the newly formed Gentile churches discussing circumcision and how it relates to the gospel. Paul wrote that letter, the first book of the New Testament and he was there telling the Apostles about the work God had been doing over the course of the first missionary journey.
 
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Some similar aspects are not in contention here. According to Paul alone, it is faith alone, but according to James, it is faith with good works.
Well since Scripture cannot contradict itself, Paul speaks of justification before God, whereas James speaks of how men see evidence of that justification through good works.

Abraham was justified by faith when he simply believed God long before Isaac was born, but according to James He gave evidence of his faith by willingly offering his son Isaac at God's behest.
 
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Well since Scripture cannot contradict itself, Paul speaks of justification before God, whereas James speaks of how men see evidence of that justification through good works.

Abraham was justified by faith when he simply believed God long before Isaac was born, but according to James He gave evidence of his faith by willingly offering his son Isaac at God's behest.

Therefore, James is right in all aspects. Paul may be half-right which is dangerous!
Ecclesiastes 12:13 The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person.
14 For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.

John 15:2 "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit.

 
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But what are the works James is talking about, or Paul for that matter, that's the point. James presided over the Council of Jerusalem and Peter made the crucial and decisive argument for justification by faith. James made the recommendation that a letter be sent to the newly formed Gentile churches discussing circumcision and how it relates to the gospel. Paul wrote that letter, the first book of the New Testament and he was there telling the Apostles about the work God had been doing over the course of the first missionary journey.

Good works must not be confused with rituals under Law.
 
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Good works must not be confused with rituals under Law.
Which is exactly what Paul was talking about when he said that justification was by apart from works, what was agreed at the Jerusalem Council and what Protestands mean justification by Grace throw faith alone. James are Paul are not talking about the same works, that's why there statements have to be read in context. The works James is talking about are the works of righteousness that are the fruit of salvation. In that society most people were slaves in your bigger cities. In James 2 and 1 Cor. 11 they had the exact same problem, how the rich treated the poor.
 
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Which is exactly what Paul was talking about when he said that justification was by apart from works, what was agreed at the Jerusalem Council and what Protestands mean justification by Grace throw faith alone. James are Paul are not talking about the same works, that's why there statements have to be read in context. The works James is talking about are the works of righteousness that are the fruit of salvation. In that society most people were slaves in your bigger cities. In James 2 and 1 Cor. 11 they had the exact same problem, how the rich treated the poor.

James without mincing words has clearly stated that faith without [good] works is dead. Whereas Paul's has led to convenient concept of faith alone which is wrong.
 
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Therefore, James is right in all aspects. Paul may be half-right which is dangerous!
How can the man who wrote OVER HALF the New Testament be "half-right"? There is absolutely no conflict between Paul and James since they were addressing two different aspects of salvation. Here is how to look at it:

PAUL
For by grace are ye saved through faith
; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph 2:8,9)

JAMES
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:10).
 
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How can the man who wrote OVER HALF the New Testament be "half-right"? There is absolutely no conflict between Paul and James since they were addressing two different aspects of salvation. Here is how to look at it:

PAUL
For by grace are ye saved through faith
; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph 2:8,9)

JAMES
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Eph 2:10).

That is the problem. If the quantity is the criteria, anybody can write great number of books. Paul is speaking of works related to rituals of the OT. People conveniently mistake that to good works. They don't want to consider this:

Ephesians 2
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.
 
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There is no contradiction between the Gospels, the Epistles of St. Paul or the Catholic Epistles ( James, Peter, John etc.).

St. Paul’s most comprehensive letter is obviously Romans which mostly focuses on the promise of salvation by faith and the working of divine grace. He still reminds us perseverance in faith ( Romans 11:22-23 ), living by the commandments ( Romans 13:8-10), just like the Gospels ( for ex. Matthew 19:16-19 etc. ). This is pretty much what James is saying also and all of this conforms to what the Lord says about abiding in Him & keeping His commandments ( John 15:1-10 ).
 
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James without mincing words has clearly stated that faith without [good] works is dead. Whereas Paul's has led to convenient concept of faith alone which is wrong.
Well you are perfectly free to try and work your way into Heaven. But there are no contradictions in Scripture. All the apostles were in full agreement with each other and with the Lord.
 
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Well you are perfectly free to try and work your way into Heaven. But there are no contradictions in Scripture. All the apostles were in full agreement with each other and with the Lord.

That is a presumption of men, not of writers of the NT. Ex: Paul's opposition to Mark for second journey!
 
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