Seat of Moses ?

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Yes He did! If you can see, you do not need a guide, do you. You will not fall in the ditch. If you follow a blind guide, they will teach you to be blind and not see the truth.

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Maybe we have to be careful about saying we can "see". Remember the scriptures about people doing what was right in their own eyes. And there is this:
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
(Joh 9:39-41)
I don't think Yeshua was telling His disciples to follow blind guides and become blind themselves, so I think it comes down to something like what Paul said about "faith comes by hearing (one would hear, in this case, from those who sit in Moses seat) and hearing by the word of God."

Mercymessianicjudiasm said:

Did you know that the seat or throne of Moses is a literal or tangible chair? (Exodus 18:13) A prince can not sit on the throne from his father the king, unless the body from the king is buried. No one except Moses sat in his seat, Torah does not record even his sons (or heirs) sitting there. Yet Yeshua says that the hypocrites while they were teaching the people sat in the seat belonging to Moses, but they were not sitting in any seat.

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I think it is a metaphor for 'position of authority.' Jesus says 'The Scribes and Pharisees sit in the position of authority, therefore, you must do all that they tell you.'

Because they are in the position of authority, they must be obeyed.

According to the Book of Hebrews Moshiach Yeshua is now the High Priest (Chief Justice) eternally for ever and ever that judges our motives. So who now sits in the Seat of Moses in Israel to judge it's citizens for acts of disobedience?
The Son of G-d came into the world to give sight to those who were Spiritually blind. His coming had the effect that some are born again of His Spirit, while others resist His Spirit thinking they see. Such were many of the Pharisees and teachers of the Law.
In other words the people were instructed to obey the mitsvah, even if the Pharisees and teachers of the Law were themselves knowingly negligent to certain mitsvah when they knew better.

Mercymessianicjudiasm said:

Matthew 23:1-7 What does Matthew 23 mean to you? What did Yeshua mean when he said the hypocrites sit in Moses seat? Was Yeshua mocking the religious leaders or their instructions?

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And the Lord said to Moses:
"Even this thing that you have spoken, I will do, for you have found favor in My eyes, and I have known you by name."
And he said:
"Show me, now, Your glory!"
He said:
"I will let all My goodness pass before you; I will proclaim the name of the Lord before you, and I will favor when I wish to favor, and I will have compassion when I wish to have compassion."
And He said,
"You will not be able to see My face, for man shall not see Me and live."
And the Lord said:
"Behold, there is a place with Me, and you shall stand on the rock.
And it shall be that when My glory passes by, I will place you into the cleft of the rock, and I will cover you with My hand until I have passed by.
Then I will remove My hand, and you will see My back but My face shall not be seen."


Shemoth (The names...) (Exodus)}2 He was with God in the beginning.

My King the gentle passer by for those who love him.
i imagine they did not even recognize who He was when walking right by the hypocrites.
Walking in prayer through the strength of forgiveness.

AbbaLove said:

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According to the Book of Hebrews Moshiach Yeshua is now the High Priest (Chief Justice) eternally for ever and ever that judges our motives. So who now sits in the Seat of Moses in Israel to judge it's citizens for acts of disobedience?

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Israel is a secular Government, not a theocracy. The citizens are not judged by the law period. Religious observance is optional.

AbbaLove said:

The Son of G-d came into the world to give sight to those who were Spiritually blind. His coming had the effect that some are born again of His Spirit, while others resist His Spirit thinking they see. Such were many of the Pharisees and teachers of the Law.

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In other words the people were instructed to obey the mitsvah, even if the Pharisees and teachers of the Law were themselves knowingly negligent to certain mitsvah when they knew better.

II Corinthians 5:10
For it is necessary for us all to be revealed before the judgement seat of Messiah Yeshua, so that each would receive what is due according to what he accomplished, whether deeds of loving kindness or evil.​

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My thoughts on this.....What the Gospels are is a witness. For those which believe the witness then the rulers in the law were exposed as unjust judges. Therefore their decisions were not binding, and disqualified as Judges.. . Binding and loosing was given to the priesthood of Christ.

ralliann said:

Israel is a secular Government, not a theocracy. The citizens are not judged by the law period. Religious observance is optional.

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My thoughts on this.....What the Gospels are is a witness. For those which believe the witness then the rulers in the law were exposed as unjust judges. Therefore their decisions were not binding, and disqualified as Judges.. . Binding and loosing was given to the priesthood of Christ.

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So Jesus changed his mind?!

Open Heart said:

Every translation I know of uses the words "all", whatever, whatsoever, and "everything." IOW all the translations say the same thing.

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All HE tells you (ie Moshe/Torah) is in a MS of Hebrew Matthew

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

All HE tells you (ie Moshe/Torah) is in a MS of Hebrew Matthew

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The Shem Tov Matthew. A very late (Medieval) manuscript with dubious origin.

Steve Petersen said:

So Jesus changed his mind?!

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Again, it may in fact say what everyone says it says. However, that may have only held at THAT time. Things changed quite a bit 40 years later.

Steve Petersen said:

The Shem Tov Matthew. A very late (Medieval) manuscript with dubious origin.

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So some speculate and I do understand the suspicion...

chunkofcoal said:

Maybe we have to be careful about saying we can "see". Remember the scriptures about people doing what was right in their own eyes. And there is this:
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind. And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
(Joh 9:39-41)
I don't think Yeshua was telling His disciples to follow blind guides and become blind themselves, so I think it comes down to something like what Paul said about "faith comes by hearing (one would hear, in this case, from those who sit in Moses seat) and hearing by the word of God."

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Yes, truth is truth... John 14:6

Yeshua HaDerekh said:

Again, it may in fact say what everyone says it says. However, that may have only held at THAT time. Things changed quite a bit 40 years later.

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Jesus didn't know things were going to change when he spoke Matthew 23?

Steve Petersen said:

Jesus didn't know things were going to change when he spoke Matthew 23?

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Of course He did (He even knew The temple would be destroyed in 40 years), but that really does not matter regarding what I said.

So if a Third Temple is built before Messiah's return Israel's [secular] Government would favor the separation of State from Orthodox Judaism? In the past the religious Zionists were fortunate if they held 20 of the 120 Knesset seats.

Jewish religious courts are under control of the Prime Minister's Office and the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. So how many would sit in the 'judgement seat' with a Third Temple? A semi-secular Government, Ultra Orthodox Judaism or both? It makes one wonder if a semi-secular Government would even want a Third Temple built? Would its function be primarily for political [Zionist] status with a dramatic appearance of Orthodox Judaism?

AbbaLove said:

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So if a Third Temple is built before Messiah's return Israel's [secular] Government would favor the separation of State from Orthodox Judaism? In the past the religious Zionists were fortunate if they held 20 of the 120 Knesset seats.

Jewish religious courts are under control of the Prime Minister's Office and the Chief Rabbinate of Israel. So how many would sit in the 'judgement seat' with a Third Temple? A semi-secular Government, Ultra Orthodox Judaism or both? It makes one wonder if a semi-secular Government would even want a Third Temple built? Would its function be primarily for political [Zionist] status with a dramatic appearance of Orthodox Judaism?

The facade is based on the Second Temple
Jerusalem Great Synagogue, seat of the Chief Rabbinate
The sanctuary seats 850 men and 550 women​

Home - Jerusalem Great Synagogue
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Whereabouts in Jerusalem is this? It looks, from the outside, like the Great Synagogue I have visited a couple of times, but the picture of the inside is very different.

You can see the same five narrow windows from the exterior view as the interior view.

You may be thinking of the Belz Great Synogogue (Israel's largest Hasidic synogogue) supposedly the largest synagogue in the world. This is an interior view ...

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Steve Petersen said:

I think it is a metaphor for 'position of authority.' Jesus says 'The Scribes and Pharisees sit in the position of authority, therefore, you must do all that they tell you.'

Because they are in the position of authority, they must be obeyed.

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Just understand while being on obedience, for community sake, the Holy Spirit will tell you the wisdom in it and not in it.

ralliann said:

Israel is a secular Government, not a theocracy. The citizens are not judged by the law period. Religious observance is optional.

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My thoughts on this.....What the Gospels are is a witness. For those which believe the witness then the rulers in the law were exposed as unjust judges. Therefore their decisions were not binding, and disqualified as Judges.. . Binding and loosing was given to the priesthood of Christ.

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I know whats written in 1 Peter about the priesthood but wouldn't the oldest continuous priesthood now be the Catholics?