Is YHWH the Father God...?

R. Hartono said:

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are all the same one God.

In the time of Isaiah, God the Father said that in the future, a child, a son would be born with the title of Mighty God. Through this, God the Father Jehovah was letting us know that He would come in the role of the Son to this earth.

Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace … The zeal of the Lord Almighty will accomplish this.


In Jesus everythings were created :
Col 1:15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
16 For in Him all things were created, things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.…

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You are all familiar with the truth that Jesus is the Son of God.

However, if you live during Jesus time in Jerusalem, all of you will be stoned by the priests and pharisees if you ever come up with that idea.

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Ron Gurley said:

OP: Q:...Is YHWH the Father God...(God the Father)?

A: Yes.

In the OT, God the Father was referred to by the following names, (NO mention of God the Son).

A. Elohim = plural name: majestic and strong...Genesis 1:26; Genesis 3:22

B. Jehovah = ~YHWH = Yahweh = ~" I AM WHO I AM " = ~GOD = Self Existent One
(e.g. Exodus 3:14)

C. LORD = (~master) = (e.g. Gen 2:4 ...the LORD God made the earth and the heavens; )

D. "El" = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics
1. El Elyon = most high = strongest
2. El Roi = strong see-er
3. El Shaddai = Almighty God
4. El Olam = Everlasting God

E. "Jehovah (J.) " = ~GOD = Compound names, showing characteristics

1. J. Jireh = LORD will provide
2. J. Nissi = LORD my banner
3. J. Shalom = LORD is peace
4. J. Sabbaoth = LORD of hosts
5. J. Maccaddeshcem = LORD your sanctifier
6. J. Raah = LORD my shepherd
7. J. Tsidkenu = LORD our righteousness
8. J. El Gmolah = LORD GOD of recompense
9. J. Nakeh = LORD who smites
10. J. Shammah = LORD who is present

In the NT, "Father" (pater) / God-LORD-Master (kurios) / God (theos)

John 20:28
Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord (kurios) and my God (theos)!”

And now take on the truth of the doctrine of the TRI-UNE GOD.

A SECOND imperfect ANALOGY:

1. God the Father is the SUN.
2. God the Holy Spirit is the rays/energy from the SUN.
3. God the Son is the manifestation of the SUN on earth.

God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit...united as ONE in spiritual essence as ONE Divine DEITY, the Godhead.

The THREE of the Godhead are DIFFERENT Persons
...spiritually discernible has having different
NAMES, RANK, ROLE. MISSION, FUNCTION, ETC.

Oh the Mysteries of the REAL and spiritual TRI-UNE GOD!

God the Father is Divine / Deity.

God the Holy Spirit is Divine / Deity.

God the Son, Jesus the Divine Messiah, is Divine / Deity.

In spiritual essence and nature, GtF*GtHS*GtS, are united and ONE.

Colossians 2 ....The Incomparable Christ with a DUAL NATURE
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity (TRUE GOD) dwells in bodily form, (TRUE MAN)
10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Colossians 1 ....
16 For by Him all things were created,
both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities
—all things have been created THROUGH Him and FOR Him.
17 He is BEFORE all things, and
in Him all things "hold together".
18 He is also head of the body, the church;
and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything.
For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness (of Deity) to dwell in Him,
20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself,
having made peace through the blood of His cross;

John 17...
24 Father, I desire that they also (disciples), whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am,
so that they may see My glory which You have given Me,

Romans 1:1 [ The Gospel Exalted ]
Paul, a bond-servant of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
(the "good news": Jesus the Divine Messiah has come DOWN FROM HEAVEN TO SAVE MAN!)

Colossians 1:23
the hope of the gospel that you have heard,
which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven,
and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

John 3:15...so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life.

John 5:24
“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me,
has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

John 21
24 This is the disciple who is testifying to these things and wrote these things,
and we know that his testimony is true.
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself.
would not contain the books that would be written.

TRI-UNE GOD TRUTHS/DOCTRINE REVEALED!

God the Son, Jesus the God-Man is not the SAME as/IDENTICAL to God the Father,
nor is God the Son, Jesus the God-Man the SAME as/ IDENTICAL to God the Holy Spirit.
The spiritual Persons of the "Godhead" are discerned has having different
RANKS, ROLES, MISSIONS, FUNCTIONS, NAMES, etc.
No one Person of the "Godhead" is identical to / the same as / "equal" to the other
>>>EXCEPT<<< in THEIR unity of "spiritual essence" AND divine nature. (1 Cor.12:13)

The TRI-UNE GOD is ONE GOD unified in spiritual essence and nature and character.
1. "The Father and I (Jesus) are ONE...in spiritual essence ONLY...(John 10)
2. But discerned as different spiritual Persons of the TRI-UNE GOD in RANK, ROLE, FUNCTIONS, NAMES, etc

In many ROLES / FUNCTIONS, God the Father RANKS ABOVE both God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

For example:

Genesis 1:26-28 (NASB)...ALLOWS for a PLURAL GOD
26 Then God (Elohim - plural - pre-existent one) said,
“Let Us make man in Our (spiritual) image, according to Our (soul?) likeness;

Mattthew 3: 16-17: The Beginning of Jesus' Ministry
As soon as Jesus (God the Son) was baptized, he went up out of the water.
At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God (God the Holy Spirit)
descending like (in the form of) a dove and lighting on him.And a voice (God the Father) from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

Mark 9:7
Then a cloud (God the Holy Spirit) formed, overshadowing them, (God the Son + 2) and a voice (God the Father) came out of the cloud,
“This is My beloved Son, listen to Him!”

John 14:26 (NIV)...a new promise by Jesus...a snapshot of the TRI-UNE God
"When the Counselor (God the Holy Spirit) comes,
whom I (God the Son/Jesus) will send to you from the Father (God the Father),
the Spirit of TRUTH (God the Holy Spirit) who goes out from the Father (God the Father),
he (the Spirit of TRUTH) will testify (to the spirit of Man) about me. (God the Son/Jesus)

John 14:26(NASB)
26 But the Helper, (God) the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in My name,
He will teach you all things, and
bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Matthew 28: 18 - The End of the Ministry - Post Resurrection and Pre-Ascension... The Great Commisssion
Then Jesus came to them (disciples) and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
Therefore
a. go and
b. make disciples of all nations, (convert to believers)
c. baptizing them (saved believers) in the name
of (God) the Father and
of (God) the Son and
of (God) the Holy Spirit,
and d. teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.
And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.(of Grace)

Phillipians 2...The Kenosis...eternal Diety poured out into perfect flesh without loss or change in Deity

Romans 15:30 (NIV)...in prayer
I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ (God the Son/Jesus)
and by the love of the Spirit (God the Holy Spirit), to join me in my struggle
by praying to God (God the Father) for me.

2 Corinthians 13:14 (NIV)...in goodbyes
May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ (God the Son/Jesus) ,
and the love of God (God the Father),
and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit (God the Holy Spirit) be with you all.

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Radagast said:

YHWH is the name of the Triune God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all YHWH.

The New Testament applies statements about YHWH to Jesus.



It was the Triune God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). The New Testament tells us that Jesus was active in Creation, for example.

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Neogaia777 said:

If Jesus was active in Creation, NT actually says that all things were made though him (Jesus) and even by him (Jesus), and then "for him" (Jesus)...

If it was all made "for him" from the beginning of Creation, then wouldn't he be the one kind of managing it, or in Charge of it and us from the beginning, even in the OT...?

Colossians 1:16

God Bless!

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1213 said:

In Genesis 1, it is Elohim who creates. So, I believe the Father and God of the OT is Elohim. And it may be that YHWH is actually Jesus, son of Elohim.

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1213 said:

Please explain why?

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Ron Gurley said:

Response to Post #5...TOO MANY QUESTIONS!

1. Why does YHWH (God the Father) not appear to (be) 100% fully omniscient?

A1: The Godhead IS all EVERYTHING! SEE: Post#4:
the truth of the doctrine of the TRI-UNE GOD.

2. Why is Jesus not YHWH or YHWH not Jesus?

God the Son, Jesus the God-Man is not the SAME as/IDENTICAL to God the Father,
nor is God the Son, Jesus the God-Man the SAME as/ IDENTICAL to God the Holy Spirit.
The spiritual Persons of the "Godhead" are discerned has having different
RANKS, ROLES, MISSIONS, FUNCTIONS, NAMES, etc.
No one Person of the "Godhead" is identical to / the same as / "equal" to the other
>>> EXCEPT<<< in THEIR unity of "spiritual essence" AND divine nature. (1 Cor.12:13)

3. Who was "at the helm" in the OT...? (which member of the TRI-UNE GOD)

A3: God the Father was in RANK was functionally "busier". SEE: The Pentateuch ...first 5 books.
In the OT:
God the Holy Spirit made TEMPORARY appearances.
God the Son was a "shadow" / types.

4. "no man has SEEN God the Father at any time...?"

A4: God the Father is pure SPIRIT (John 4:24)
MANIFESTATIONS: Voice. Burning bush. Angels are His "messengers".
God the Holy Spirit: wind and fire at Pentecost.
God the Son...DEITY! DIVINE! John 1

5. Who did: Moses hear, the prophets hear, all those people in the OT who "heard from" God?

A5: God the Father by voice, spirit, or manifestation such as angels / dreams / etc.

Q6: Also Acts 7:30, even says, it was only an "angel", (and not even God or Chris, that Moses was dealing with (in the burning bush) ...?

Acts 7:30 (NASB)
30 “After forty years had passed, an angel appeared to him in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in the flame of a burning thorn bush.

A6: The "angel" was a manifestation of God the Father.

READ and spiritually discern:

Exodus 3:..."The angel of the LORD"

Mark 12:26
But regarding the fact that the dead rise again, have you not read in the book of Moses (Exodus), in the passage about the burning bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?

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