Paying back for downloading copyrighted material

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I've been wrestling with the question about paying back for what you have stolen, regarding the downloading of copyrighted material.

Before I found Christ I used to download an incredible amount of copyrighted movies, tv shows, music, video games, and other obscene material. I have since repented, and deleted every piece of copyrighted material. I have vowed to never download anything copyrighted without paying for it.

Should I attempt to pay back all the producers of this material? I wouldn't even know where to begin. If I tried, my bank account would instantly be empty.

What do you think about this moral dilemma I have found myself in?
 
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I've been wrestling with the question about paying back for what you have stolen, regarding the downloading of copyrighted material.

Before I found Christ I used to download an incredible amount of copyrighted movies, tv shows, music, video games, and other obscene material. I have since repented, and deleted every piece of copyrighted material. I have vowed to never download anything copyrighted without paying for it.

Should I attempt to pay back all the producers of this material? I wouldn't even know where to begin. If I tried, my bank account would instantly be empty.

What do you think about this moral dilemma I have found myself in?
Did you retail it? If not, get rid of it, and never walk that path again.
 
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I've been wrestling with the question about paying back for what you have stolen, regarding the downloading of copyrighted material.

Before I found Christ I used to download an incredible amount of copyrighted movies, tv shows, music, video games, and other obscene material. I have since repented, and deleted every piece of copyrighted material. I have vowed to never download anything copyrighted without paying for it.

Should I attempt to pay back all the producers of this material? I wouldn't even know where to begin. If I tried, my bank account would instantly be empty.

What do you think about this moral dilemma I have found myself in?
Pirating is illegal of course but as for paying it back you may want to pay it forward instead. What I mean by that is that those who you think you owe to may not be the ones who will benefit from it. I remember my brother lived with my husband and I before we separated. He lived there for a few years rent free while mastering becoming a gifted musician. He phoned me one day shortly after our split-up and asked where he could send all the backrent to him because he had become a Christian and felt it his duty to set that right. I reminded him that I was the one with 2 young kids and no income or help from him. I never heard any more about it, but I don't think the debt was owed to him.
 
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Did you retail it? If not, get rid of it, and never walk that path again.
That's good advise too. I sure wouldn't want to be on any outlaw mailing list.
 
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I've been wrestling with the question about paying back for what you have stolen, regarding the downloading of copyrighted material.

Before I found Christ I used to download an incredible amount of copyrighted movies, tv shows, music, video games, and other obscene material. I have since repented, and deleted every piece of copyrighted material. I have vowed to never download anything copyrighted without paying for it.

Should I attempt to pay back all the producers of this material? I wouldn't even know where to begin. If I tried, my bank account would instantly be empty.

What do you think about this moral dilemma I have found myself in?
Just make a point of paying for things you want, or not getting them. Most stuff is affordable with a bit of patience. Movies and tv shows run on tv, there are official streaming sites, you're allowed to listen to music on youtube and you'd be surprised how much fun you can have with free video games and those that are only a fraction of their original cost.

Shop smart, and if there is anything that stands out, consider buying it. But only if you really can afford it and plan on listening to it/watching it/playing it again.

A good way to get a lot of bang for your buck is humble bundle. They offer book or video game bundles for very cheap, and part of their earnings go to charities.
 
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Never sold any of it. Every piece of it is deleted and I will never do it again.
Sounds like a good solution.

If you actually liked the music, movies and games, go ahead and buy them one at a time when you can easily afford them. Not the obscene stuff obviously.
 
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Well... the "law" is the law, off course.

However, imo, the law isn't necessarily correct.
One can ask himself that when you download a digital file, what exactly was "stolen".

If steal something from you, it means that I gained something while you lost something.
Downloading a file is idd me gaining something. But are you losing something? What, exactly?

You might say "income". Sure. But what if I would never have bought the thing I downloaded, if for some reason it wasn't available for download?

I used to have a collection of thousands of mp3's in the good old napster days.
Sure, I enjoyed listening to that music. However, I can honestly say that easily 90% of that collection was not worth it for me to buy. If not for napster, I would have never had copies of those songs. No way that any of them would have been worth the 20 bucks for the album or whatever.

The other 10% is another story. And I actually owned those original albums, which I simply bought at the record store. And still I downloaded the "illegal" copies. I could have also ripped the cd into mp3's myself, but it was far easier and faster to just download them.

So, while back in my college days I can honestly say that I have downloaded terrabytes of such data, I don't feel like I owe anything to anybody. Nobody "lost income" because of me. Nobody.
 
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Well... the "law" is the law, off course.

However, imo, the law isn't necessarily correct.
One can ask himself that when you download a digital file, what exactly was "stolen".

If steal something from you, it means that I gained something while you lost something.
Downloading a file is idd me gaining something. But are you losing something? What, exactly?

You might say "income". Sure. But what if I would never have bought the thing I downloaded, if for some reason it wasn't available for download?

I used to have a collection of thousands of mp3's in the good old napster days.
Sure, I enjoyed listening to that music. However, I can honestly say that easily 90% of that collection was not worth it for me to buy. If not for napster, I would have never had copies of those songs. No way that any of them would have been worth the 20 bucks for the album or whatever.

The other 10% is another story. And I actually owned those original albums, which I simply bought at the record store. And still I downloaded the "illegal" copies. I could have also ripped the cd into mp3's myself, but it was far easier and faster to just download them.

So, while back in my college days I can honestly say that I have downloaded terrabytes of such data, I don't feel like I owe anything to anybody. Nobody "lost income" because of me. Nobody.
What you steal is something far more abstract than a game or income. It is social input.

At least in an ideal world, everyone who works contributes to society with their work. They either produce something, offer people assistance, develop new things or contribute in one way or another in enriching human civilisation.

Someone who develops computer games puts some work into enriching the world by providing entertainment to a lot of people. If someone downloads the game and plays it without paying, they profit from this entertainment without putting anything into society in return. They act like parasites.

What someone should do if they want a game, a movie or a music album is to put in the extra work to be able to afford it.
 
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What you steal is something far more abstract than a game or income. It is social input.

At least in an ideal world, everyone who works contributes to society with their work. They either produce something, offer people assistance, develop new things or contribute in one way or another in enriching human civilisation.

Someone who develops computer games puts some work into enriching the world by providing entertainment to a lot of people. If someone downloads the game and plays it without paying, they profit from this entertainment without putting anything into society in return. They act like parasites.

What someone should do if they want a game, a movie or a music album is to put in the extra work to be able to afford it.

I was talking about just music.

I think there is a serious case to be made that downloading music isn't the great loss that people make it out to be. Through downloading, I've come into contact with artists that I would have never known otherwise.

I don't have money to waste. I'm not rich. Back in the record store days, I would not have paid 25 bucks for an album of a band that I didn't know.

In a very real sense, the practice of downloading gave small bands that don't get any airtime by radio stations the opportunity to get their music into hands of people that didn't know about them.

And that includes a band I was a part of a small decade ago. We did 2 albums. And while they could be bought in a few local stores, we simply published them online for free as well. One summer, we had gigs every weekend and played before hundreds of people each time and made good money doing so. We had a fanbase. I think we sold about 200 albums or so, lol.
But our myspace and soundclick page, had thousands of downloads and followers. Those were the people that bought a ticket for the concerts.
It's 100% thanks to those free publications that we had that lucrative summer.

Without it, we would have barely made our money back from recording the albums.

I certainly agree that illegally downloading games, for example, is different in that respect.

I should also note that I don't download anymore. Now, I just have a spotify account. Which also allows me to come into contact with artists I didn't know about.

Ironically, back when I downloaded dozens of songs per day at times, I also still bought albums. Since I have spotify, I haven't bought a SINGLE piece of music.

So I actually was spending MORE money on music back when I was downloading, then today without downloading...

You got to admit.... something doesn't add up there....


People like to blame the internet/downloaders etc. But the truth is, that record labels are/were the ones to blame. They were the ones that desperatly tried to hold on to a business model that worked fine in the 70s and 80s. They refused to move along with the world into the new digital reality.

It took faaaaaar to long for services like Spotify to show up.
The same actually goes for movies and series....

15 years ago, there was broadband internet everywhere (or at least in most places) But there was no Netflix or similar. Same story. Trying to hold on to (overpriced) VHS / DVD.

Today, I have a netflix account and digital TV, wich also comes with its own library of on-demand movies, series etc.

With these services, I no longer have a need for downloads.
I also no longer have a need for a DVD player or hifi system.

Instead, I have an Xbox and a TV. And it does everything I need. It's my gateway to a digital library of entertainment.

So I don't download anymore. Not because I have ethical objections (because I honestly don't), but simply because I have no need for it any more.
 
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With these services, I no longer have a need for downloads.
I also no longer have a need for a DVD player or hifi system.

Instead, I have an Xbox and a TV. And it does everything I need. It's my gateway to a digital library of entertainment.
Side note: Do you listen to your music through the TV's speakers, or do you have it hooked up to external ones?
 
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Side note: Do you listen to your music through the TV's speakers, or do you have it hooked up to external ones?

I have the Xbox hooked up to a 5.1 system. When listening to just music, I don't turn on the TV and I use my phone to remote control the Xbox.
 
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I'm in a grey zone, I watch online anime, BUT I go first for legit ways, like I have amazon video, crunchyroll, and netflix, I go for the legit places first, and only watch ones that I can't find otherwise.

Is it wrong to get stuff online you can't normally get, asian films with subtitles, anime, abandonware games that are 10-20 years old and outside of some services like steam you have no legit way to get, roms for systems that are so old probably can't find working ones.
 
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