The Sabbath Day: Saturday or Sunday?

Heart2Soul said:

The reason I have attended Sunday service is because I grew up that way since a child. I don't remember any pastor ever teaching on the Sabbath. So here I am seeking His truth in the matter. Thank you for your input.

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I was in the same boat 10 years ago... I was raised Baptist and never questioned the day we went to church. When I did find out that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday by Rome, it peaked my interest to learn more. During those early times of struggle, one thing kept coming to my mind. If there is just a 1% of 1% chance that this Sabbath thing is true, then do I want to gamble my eternity on it? God won't be upset if I keep the Sabbath for there is no commandment against it, but if I keep the first day, will it please God? Since that time, I have become 100% convicted that the Sabbath is the day ordained and Sanctified by God. I pray you take this seriously and that you let the Spirit lead, not us bozos on this forum...lol

Heart2Soul said:

I am trying to do some research on what day the Sabbath was originally honored and when did it change if it changed and does it matter?

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The Sabbath as a day is from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. The Sabbath itself is a rest only found through God although the physical time period of the day for the Sabbath did not change but our rest has been and always will be through God. For the past 2000 years we gain our sabbath rest not by keeping a day but by looking to Christ

EastCoastRemnant said:

Do you do you own pleasure on the Sabbath, the 7th day? If so, you aren't honouring God in it.

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But which day is "really" the seventh. Do you trust your calendar?

Dkh587 said:

"the Lord's Day" is just another way of saying "Day of the Lord", which in the Law & Prophets, was called the Day of YHWH. John wasn't having a vision on Sunday. He was in the spirit on the Day of YHWH

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Im sorry but Revelation 1:10 does NOT say Day of the Lord. it says 'Kuriaki Hmera'. It does NOT say Hmera (day) tou Kuriou. Kuriaki is the feminine form of Kurio and a common female name in greek and slavic culture. Feminine words is the customary way of refering to days of the week in the Greek language which always is in the feminine except for sabbato which is neuter:


Please if your an SDA just admit you never read or understood the New Testament in its original language. AGAIN I REPEAT REV 1:10 DOES NOT SAY DAY OF THE LORD, ITS SIMPLY A TRANSLATION WHICH CANNOT CONVEY THE INTENT IN ENGLISH.

You are KNOWINGLY lying if you think sunday worship was a 4th century invention as the NT repeats in many places; that christians customarily met on Sunday to break bread and worship. The original jewish-christians fullfilled their jewish obligations of the sabbath but would still meet to break bread as community the very next day. There is sooooo much evidence that it should not even need discussion folks!!!! Only american cultists would believe in such bizarre logic. In 108AD Ignatius in his epistle to the Magnesians and even the Didache refer to Sunday as Kyriaki. Which is the standard word for Sunday in the entire greek speaking universe!!!

Boogaloo said:

Who called it Saturday, the same ones that Called Sunday the first day of the week Sunday, Constantine and the RCH and at that stage they were Pagan! well there is that little matter of Constantine having a "Vision"

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Sorry but its the germanic languages like English that call it this only. Go look up the days of the week in greek (already given them to you in previous post), or russian or italian or spanish. Oh and if you read pre-christian pagan writers many thought the jewish God was Saturn since they met on his day to worship. And this is precisely what your implying with your nonsense! Dont worship the Sun worship Saturn instead! Stop with the american cultist nonsense already! I mean really the mental gymnastics sabaterians require to protect their flat earth theory is insulting.

Heart2Soul said:

Now this puts everything in the right perspective and I thoroughly enjoyed learning from it. It also brings peace in my spirit. Thank you for sharing.

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Awesome

2 Corinthians 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

bugkiller said:

What is the curse of the law? Isn't it death because of disobedience? Even the OT says no one keeps the law.

bugkiller

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that's right, we are now not under its curse, we still sin, but we now have a way for salvation...Yeshua!

klutedavid said:

Hello Doug.

Excellent post, we are not under the law but under grace.

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Grace is not a license to sin, it is a way of forgiveness when you do not deserve it.

Is the law itself sin? Absolutely not! It is the exact opposite. I would never have known what sin is if it were not for the law. For example, I would not have known that desiring something that belongs to my neighbor is sin if the law had not said, “You are not to covet.” Sin took advantage of the commandment to create a constant stream of greed and desire within me; I began to want everything. You see, apart from the law, sin lies dormant. There was a time when I was living without the law, but the commandment came and changed everything: sin came to life, and I died. This commandment was supposed to bring life; but in my experience, it brought death. Sin took advantage of the commandment, tricked me, and exploited it in order to kill me. So hear me out: the law is holy; and its commandments are holy, right, and good.

So did the good law bring about my death? Absolutely not! It was sin that killed me, not the law.

EastCoastRemnant said:

I was in the same boat 10 years ago... I was raised Baptist and never questioned the day we went to church. When I did find out that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday by Rome, it peaked my interest to learn more. During those early times of struggle, one thing kept coming to my mind. If there is just a 1% of 1% chance that this Sabbath thing is true, then do I want to gamble my eternity on it? God won't be upset if I keep the Sabbath for there is no commandment against it, but if I keep the first day, will it please God? Since that time, I have become 100% convicted that the Sabbath is the day ordained and Sanctified by God. I pray you take this seriously and that you let the Spirit lead, not us bozos on this forum...lol

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So, are you thinking that the NT is the same as the OT? Spirit led.

The Sabbath is Saturday. No one disputes that. There is a Christian denomination that tries to get members by this strawman argument. They try to confuse Christians into thinking they have to join them because they have been told Sunday is the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lord's Day, the symbolic eighth day of the week.

Christians in the early Church gathered on Sunday for communion, as Jesus was Resurrected on a Sunday. That's why Christians go to Church on Sunday. We know this because of early Christian records, something a certain group doesn't care about. We know this because many Christians were isolated from the rest for centuries and surprise surprise, they worshiped on Sundays, because that's when Christians always got together.

But, you could tell people that you have to join your group because Saturday is the Sabbath and you have been tricked into thinking Sunday is the Sabbath... but that isn't the case. Christians worship on Sunday because that was the day of the resurrection.

Almost there said:

But which day is "really" the seventh. Do you trust your calendar?

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It has already been stated on this thread but for the sake of clarification, some of the oldest languages in the world have as their word for the 7th day, Sabbath.

Standing Up said:

So, are you thinking that the NT is the same as the OT? Spirit led.

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Well, we know the Spirit was at Christ's baptism and descended upon Him. Let's see where else the Spirit is mentioned prior to Pentecost.

Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Genesis 6:3
And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Genesis 41:38
And Pharaoh said unto his servants, Can we find such a one as this is, a man in whom the Spirit of God is?

Exodus 31:3
And I have filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship,

Judges 3:10
And the Spirit of the Lord came upon him, and he judged Israel, and went out to war: and the Lord delivered Chushanrishathaim king of Mesopotamia into his hand; and his hand prevailed against Chushanrishathaim.

Judges 6:34
But the Spirit of the Lord came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet; and Abiezer was gathered after him.

1 Samuel 10:6
And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man.

1 Kings 18:12
And it shall come to pass, as soon as I am gone from thee, that the Spirit of the Lord shall carry thee whither I know not;

2 Chronicles 24:20
And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest,

Job 33:4
The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

There are over 230 references to spirit in the OT well over 1/2 dealing with the Spirit of God. You bethcha the Spirit was in the OT and NT.

EastCoastRemnant said:

I was in the same boat 10 years ago... I was raised Baptist and never questioned the day we went to church. When I did find out that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday by Rome, it peaked my interest to learn more. During those early times of struggle, one thing kept coming to my mind. If there is just a 1% of 1% chance that this Sabbath thing is true, then do I want to gamble my eternity on it? God won't be upset if I keep the Sabbath for there is no commandment against it, but if I keep the first day, will it please God? Since that time, I have become 100% convicted that the Sabbath is the day ordained and Sanctified by God. I pray you take this seriously and that you let the Spirit lead, not us bozos on this forum...lol

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Rome didn't change the Sabbath. That's something completely made up by SDA apologists: Rome made Sunday the Sabbath, that's why you worship on Sunday, so you better join us, or you might go to hell.

That argument is complete fiction. We worship on Sunday because that was the day of the Resurrection, which was sort of a big deal.

"And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight." Gee, golly.. that sounds like Church.. on a Sunday... according to the bible. So either the bible is in error or a certain denomination can't think of a way to get people except to argue they better gather with them on Saturday or they'll go to hell because someone changed the Sabbath... when no one did.

RadiantGrace said:

The Sabbath is Saturday. No one disputes that. There is a Christian denomination that tries to get members by this strawman argument. They try to confuse Christians into thinking they have to join them because they have been told Sunday is the Sabbath. Sunday is the Lord's Day, the symbolic eighth day of the week.

Christians in the early Church gathered on Sunday for communion, as Jesus was Resurrected on a Sunday. That's why Christians go to Church on Sunday. We know this because of early Christian records, something a certain group doesn't care about. We know this because many Christians were isolated from the rest for centuries and surprise surprise, they worshiped on Sundays, because that's when Christians always got together.

But, you could tell people that you have to join your group because Saturday is the Sabbath and you have been tricked into thinking Sunday is the Sabbath... but that isn't the case. Christians worship on Sunday because that was the day of the resurrection.

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What would happen if they decided to make calendars with Sunday as the last day of the week?

Heart2Soul said:

I am trying to do some research on what day the Sabbath was originally honored and when did it change if it changed and does it matter?

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You said you are looking for information, here are a few from the Roman Catholic Church concerning the 7th day Sabbath

And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

Our Sunday Visitor (February 5, 1950):

Practically everything Protestants regard as essential or important they have received from the Catholic Church... The Protestant mind does not seem to realize that in accepting the Bible and observing the Sunday, in keeping Christmas and Easter, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.


Louis Gaston Segur, Plain Talk about the Protestantism of To-Day (London: Thomas Richardson and Son, 1874): 213:
Thus the observance of Sunday by the Protestants is a homage they pay, in spite of themselves, to the authority of the (Catholic) Church.



The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:
If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.


Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:
Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.i

The Catholic Mirror (September 23, 1893):

The Catholic Church, for over one thousand years before the existence of a Protestant, by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday...

The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation, "Seventh-day Adventists."

Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday

dreadnought said:

What would happen if they decided to make calendars with Sunday as the last day of the week?

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In some cultures, Monday is the first day of the week.

John A. O'Brien, The Faith of Millions: the Credentials of the Catholic Religion Revised Edition (Our Sunday Visitor Publishing, 1974): 400-401:

But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics, who claim to take their religion directly from the Bible and not from the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed. They have continued the custom even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon and explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away—like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.

Boasts of the Roman Church about Sunday